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07/07/2005 12:28:02 PM · #1
i've been thinking about selling it because i would probably do better with a very nice point & shoot! i have a very hard time with the focus and the fuji i have always takes great photos..i think the Rebel is a little too much for me. Can anyone tell me about a good point & shoot for around 700 - 800 dollars or less.
07/07/2005 12:30:11 PM · #2
ive read god reviews about the canon powershot S2 IS, i wouldnt mind owning that camera myslef
its around 500 or so
07/07/2005 12:32:00 PM · #3
I have the Canon S1 IS, and it's very nice. The S2 would be better.

There are some coupon codes on Dell that end today, where you could get an S2 for about $367. See www.xpbargains.com and look under Dell for details. You just take the $499 item, which is on sale, add something for $1, take the $60 coupon, and the 15% discount.
07/07/2005 12:34:37 PM · #4
sounds great but i kinda want to see if i can sell my rebel first...maybe i will check ebay to see what used ones are going for.
07/07/2005 12:36:50 PM · #5
You can sell it to me. How much?
07/07/2005 12:39:34 PM · #6
I had a Canon G2 for a while, in a way it's a mix of the rebel and a point & shoot. It handles RAW, you can manaul focus, etc, it also has some lens adapters (although nothing like the Rebel). I got mine for $550, so you may look at the new version, I think it's the G6 now.

Nikon also makes some nice point and shoot cameras, although I've never onwed one, so I can't really make a recommendation there.
07/07/2005 12:43:45 PM · #7
You should definitely consider a Canon Powershot A95. It's a nice P&S, click the link under my name to see it. Take a look at my portfolio to see a whack of photos out of it.
07/07/2005 12:56:22 PM · #8
Originally posted by queanbeez:

sounds great but i kinda want to see if i can sell my rebel first...maybe i will check ebay to see what used ones are going for.


With the great sale price of the S2, if you can afford it, you might want to get it BEFORE you sell the Rebel. I have both the S1 and the Rebel--it's like having two specialized tools for different jobs. And carrying the S1 with the rebel isn't any more effort than carrying an xtra lens. The P&S's have incredible depth of field, so that means you can use wider apertures, meaning more options in low light, and harder to miss the focus on the subject. The SLR has flexibility and can do beautiful shots with shallow DOF. Both have good uses.

Other choices if you want to get a presumably higher quality lens: the Canon Pro 1, which is 8MP P&S but does RAW and presumably has an L quality lens. Since it takes Compact Flash (like the S1 but not the S2), you could keep your CF cards from your rebel and use those.

I agree with cpickett that the "G" line is also excellent. I had a G2, and and F2 lens on an P&S is great, plus it took RAW, and excellent shots overall. But IMHO it didn't have a wide enough lens, and not enough zoom either. And mine failed (broke) too soon in it's life.

The Panasonic Z5 and Z10 (or Z3) are also good choices to look at. (See DPReview where you can compare all these camreas side by side for features and even photographs.)

07/07/2005 12:59:29 PM · #9
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by queanbeez:

sounds great but i kinda want to see if i can sell my rebel first...maybe i will check ebay to see what used ones are going for.


With the great sale price of the S2, if you can afford it, you might want to get it BEFORE you sell the Rebel. I have both the S1 and the Rebel--it's like having two specialized tools for different jobs. And carrying the S1 with the rebel isn't any more effort than carrying an xtra lens. The P&S's have incredible depth of field, so that means you can use wider apertures, meaning more options in low light, and harder to miss the focus on the subject. The SLR has flexibility and can do beautiful shots with shallow DOF. Both have good uses.

Other choices if you want to get a presumably higher quality lens: the Canon Pro 1, which is 8MP P&S but does RAW and presumably has an L quality lens. Since it takes Compact Flash (like the S1 but not the S2), you could keep your CF cards from your rebel and use those.

I agree with cpickett that the "G" line is also excellent. I had a G2, and and F2 lens on an P&S is great, plus it took RAW, and excellent shots overall. But IMHO it didn't have a wide enough lens, and not enough zoom either. And mine failed (broke) too soon in it's life.

The Panasonic Z5 and Z10 (or Z3) are also good choices to look at. (See DPReview where you can compare all these camreas side by side for features and even photographs.)


thats a good point about the memory cards, however i do like the feature with the S2 where you can take a picture while you are taking video
the S2 is what i would get souly for that feature
07/07/2005 01:33:19 PM · #10
This is what I would get.

Olympus 8080

It won a shootout a while back against the Nikon and Canon, among others.

-Chad
07/07/2005 01:59:12 PM · #11
Originally posted by queanbeez:

i've been thinking about selling it because i would probably do better with a very nice point & shoot! i have a very hard time with the focus and the fuji i have always takes great photos..i think the Rebel is a little too much for me. Can anyone tell me about a good point & shoot for around 700 - 800 dollars or less.


wait what lens do you have? i have found that the focus depends mostly on the lens.
07/07/2005 02:01:15 PM · #12
Don't sell it. You've come so far already, don't give up now. Maybe a new lens?
07/07/2005 02:02:06 PM · #13
ya get a 700-800 $ lens instead

you'll eventually hate p&s's and want to go back to SLR so skip the p&s phase. lol

Message edited by author 2005-07-07 14:02:45.
07/07/2005 02:05:26 PM · #14
Hey Cheryl, i just looked at your portfolio and you have great potential and talent, i would say you must keep learning from your camera, may be safe for better lens... Just my 2 cents.

I say, keep the camera you used on Sensual photo! ;)
07/07/2005 02:10:30 PM · #15
Originally posted by queanbeez:

i've been thinking about selling it because i would probably do better with a very nice point & shoot! i have a very hard time with the focus and the fuji i have always takes great photos..i think the Rebel is a little too much for me. Can anyone tell me about a good point & shoot for around 700 - 800 dollars or less.


I can understand that using an SLR can be very daunting. Before putting your Rebel on the block maybe ask yourself a few questions.

- What reasons were there for the move from P & S to DSLR in the first place?
- Has the DSLR matched your reasons?
- If not, what is missing? Be specific here. This may be related to the learning curve for SLR.
- Are you willing to continue on the learning curve?
- How are you comparing the images from your P & S to the Rebel? Same modes? Same settings, etc? Answering these questions may help in determining how you need to change your shooting style to get the best out of the Rebel.

Just some suggestions and not meant to offend.
07/07/2005 02:31:17 PM · #16
yeh this looks like the one i just saw that a friend had...i wanted to ask about it but havent been able to contact him...i just feel like i have all these creative ideas but cant do anything with them because almost every photo i take, is out of focus. i took my camera to a cookout saturday and most of the photos of my family were ruined from the focus. i also dont like the big bulky lens that i have for the rebel..i like too travel light, this may sound funny to some of you considering its just a lens but, yes the camera and the extra lenses are a hassle. i also like being able to look at the LCD and shoot..and rex i'm not sure how much too even sell it for. i have about 5300 shots taken with it, so i dont really know.

Originally posted by cpurser:

This is what I would get.

Olympus 8080

It won a shootout a while back against the Nikon and Canon, among others.

-Chad

07/07/2005 02:36:50 PM · #17
Originally posted by queanbeez:

yeh this looks like the one i just saw that a friend had...i wanted to ask about it but havent been able to contact him...i just feel like i have all these creative ideas but cant do anything with them because almost every photo i take, is out of focus. i took my camera to a cookout saturday and most of the photos of my family were ruined from the focus. i also dont like the big bulky lens that i have for the rebel..i like too travel light, this may sound funny to some of you considering its just a lens but, yes the camera and the extra lenses are a hassle. i also like being able to look at the LCD and shoot..and rex i'm not sure how much too even sell it for. i have about 5300 shots taken with it, so i dont really know.

Originally posted by cpurser:

This is what I would get.

Olympus 8080

It won a shootout a while back against the Nikon and Canon, among others.

-Chad


I don't know if your focus problems are the same as mine, but I manually changed the auto focus point to use only the middle of the 7 AF points and it has helped alot. Before, any one of the points would focus and frequently resulted in an OOF subject. But adjusting the AF points as necessary may help.
07/07/2005 02:38:20 PM · #18
How are you shooting?

I mean:
1. are you using autofocus on the lens?
2. are you shooting in Parameter 1 or Parameter 2 or RGB?
3. are you using Photoshop Elements to edit your shots or not really post-processing at all?

My first thought was that you can effectively turn your Rebel in to a P&S by changing some of the settings. If it were more clear where the difficulty lies, perhaps there are other suggestions that might help you avoide a shopping trip.
07/07/2005 02:41:37 PM · #19
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07/07/2005 02:42:46 PM · #20
i have used everything AF points, auto, manual, RAW, P1,RGB, photoshop, tri-pod, nothing works..i've only had a few good shots as you can see from my portfolio.

Originally posted by KaDi:

How are you shooting?

I mean:
1. are you using autofocus on the lens?
2. are you shooting in Parameter 1 or Parameter 2 or RGB?
3. are you using Photoshop Elements to edit your shots or not really post-processing at all?

My first thought was that you can effectively turn your Rebel in to a P&S by changing some of the settings. If it were more clear where the difficulty lies, perhaps there are other suggestions that might help you avoide a shopping trip.

07/07/2005 02:45:06 PM · #21
what lens are you using?
07/07/2005 02:48:37 PM · #22
tamron AF 75-300
and canon 18-55mm

Originally posted by art-inept:

what lens are you using?

07/07/2005 03:09:47 PM · #23
I notice you're fond of opening the lens as far as possible....f/4.3 in the case of your Church of Tacks.

Here's a possible problem:
If you used your kit lens set at 35mm
and you were 10 inches from your subject
you would have .2 inches calculated depth of field
(at 12 inches away, .4 inches DOF and at 6 inches distance 0 (zero) DOF)
Similar tacks at my desk measure .25 inches wide at the top.

In order to get 1/2 inch DOF from 6 inches away you would need to set the f-stop to 23.2--then everything fro 5.75 inches to 6.25 inches would be in focus.

To have the same 1/2 inch be in focus from 12 inches away you would need to use f/5 with the lens set at 35mm.

Does that make sense?
07/07/2005 03:37:09 PM · #24
So what happened at your family gathering?
Well, if you had your kit lens on,
and you set it for 55mm
and your subject was 10 feet away
you'd have 20.6 inches of DOF
So, focussing on Aunt Jane's nose, everything from 10 inches in front of Aunt Jane's nose and 10 inches behind would be in focus.

If you then put your long lens on
and set it to 300mm
your depth of field would drop to .6 inches
probably not quite as long as Aunt Jane's nose.
Stopping down to f/64 would yield 8.8 inches DOF...barely enough to get an ear in focus if you had focused on the tip of Aunt Jane's nose.

I've been having this kind of problem myself, which is why I've been reading up on all this stuff. I have similar equipment to you and had started to think it was time to visit the eye doctor.
07/07/2005 03:42:25 PM · #25
Just remember that a P & S camera has a very hard time achieving shallow DOF without additional equipment. An SLR on the other hand can present a problem of getting enough DOF.

Try shooting in aperature priority and experiment with each of your lenses. In fact, here's an assignment for you (suggestion):

//www.orleansphotoclub.com/assignments/assignment1.html
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