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07/10/2005 07:58:11 PM · #1
Heather.. I have seen some of your comments.. Blunt as they sometimes may seem (to some), they are quite helpful.

Please Please Please continue the good job and comment on some of my pictures.. here on DPC and on my site.

Note: I have recieved only one DPC critique till date and that too on my first picture here... Now is a good time to do that again. Iam open to anyone wanting to spend some time writing a critique on my pictures.

I would buy you a drink
;-)


07/10/2005 07:45:06 PM · #2
Originally posted by hbunch7187:

I apologize to everyone who 'doesn't like me'.


Bah, life isn't a popularity contest. :) I've concluded that the measure of a good life is the people you influance and impact along the way. If you can change one life for the better, then you have done more than so many people out there.

I can say that you have made a positive impact in my life. In a thousand and one little ways every day. I learn from you every time you post in an SC discussion. So thank you for making a difference in my life.

Originally posted by hbunch7187:


As for removing myself from the voting panel...I'll consider that.


Over my dead, broken and bleeding D70. Don't make me come up there and open up a can of Whoop er...Tushie on you. (Wording altered to protect the politically correct)

As for the original poster. I really understand the frusteration a "negative" comment can make on your day. Particularly when you have an image you believe is a good one. One of my highest rated images has a pretty annoying comment on it. When I got it, my impulse was to post to the forums, or blast back a PM at the user. I stopped, took a deep breath, and tried to see their POV. I don't agree with the comment, but I respect the time that the commenter took to make the comment.

I would like to respectfully suggest that you consider every comment you get, and try to learn from it. If you don't like one, ask yourself why you don't like it. Often you will find the answer teaches you more than any "Wow, great shot comment" you may get.

And Heather still isn't allowed to quit.

:)

Clara
07/10/2005 07:14:46 PM · #3
:)
07/10/2005 05:43:59 PM · #4
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by hbunch7187:


As for removing myself from the voting panel...I'll consider that.


You most certainly will not. I won't have it. Heather is a tremendous asset to the Site Council and contributes more to this site than anyone not on the council will ever know or could begin to imagine. The thought that she should remove herself because someone doesn't like that she doesn't like their picture is nothing short of ludicrous.


Ditto. People may not always like the way Heather expresses her opinions but I have observed her commenting from when she joined DPC and I have always noticed how much she strives to be honest, consistent, direct but not nasty. I know she contributes a huge amount of time to her SC duties and yet still finds time to try and give comments that let photographers know in detail just what she sees in their image.

As has been said, DPC isn't kindergarten. Rudeness is unecessary but we shouldn't need to sugarcoat everything to make it palatable.

Heather, don't even think about stepping down from SC or stopping commenting.
07/10/2005 05:39:56 PM · #5
Originally posted by PaulMdx:

Originally posted by bear_music:

(Bear quietly remarks to himself that the original critique seemed to him to be very useful, if perhaps a bit short in the social niceties. He further muses that he wasn't aware that it was a requirement to commenting that the pill be sugarcoated. He further contemplates how the shooter's response is an actual, personal attack upon the critiquer. And he, finally, concludes that this is a very strange world and that someone other than the critiquer is the one who needs to grow up.)
bear_music, I think you left the mic on.. ;-)

(Paul agrees.)


Kavey is hearing strange voices.... but they seem to be sucking the opinions right out of her head...

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 17:44:59.
07/10/2005 03:49:49 PM · #6
man people whine too damn much. the comment has the potential to be helpful, if you dont like it go eat a donut or something. Dont let it bother you. making comments more nice then they have to be is just a waste of typing. if you dont like it, and you say so, then it's all good.
07/10/2005 03:39:50 PM · #7
I'd just like to say that I'd much rather receive a comment like this than get hundreds of "Wow, great photo!" comments when I'm running at about my usual (low) score. Perhaps it could have been worded a little bit better, but it offered, at the core, a useful critique.

I don't think that anyone should think about leaving the 'voting panel'.
07/10/2005 03:34:45 PM · #8
Originally posted by louddog:

Heather, please keep commenting as you do and do not even consider dropping out of the voting pool because of one (fill in the blank with what ever you think fits) _____ person.

I think the site needs more people like you. This isn't first grade, sugar coating and making people feel good should not be put above honesty.


Heather I agree as well, and don't remove yourself from the panel over this, it isn't worth it.
07/10/2005 03:34:35 PM · #9
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by hbunch7187:


As for removing myself from the voting panel...I'll consider that.


You most certainly will not. I won't have it. Heather is a tremendous asset to the Site Council and contributes more to this site than anyone not on the council will ever know or could begin to imagine. The thought that she should remove herself because someone doesn't like that she doesn't like their picture is nothing short of ludicrous.


hear, hear

Heather, your comments always give insight. Keep it up.
07/10/2005 03:30:26 PM · #10
Originally posted by hbunch7187:


As for removing myself from the voting panel...I'll consider that.


You most certainly will not. I won't have it. Heather is a tremendous asset to the Site Council and contributes more to this site than anyone not on the council will ever know or could begin to imagine. The thought that she should remove herself because someone doesn't like that she doesn't like their picture is nothing short of ludicrous.
07/10/2005 03:16:17 PM · #11
Heather, please keep commenting as you do and do not even consider dropping out of the voting pool because of one (fill in the blank with what ever you think fits) _____ person.

I think the site needs more people like you. This isn't first grade, sugar coating and making people feel good should not be put above honesty.
07/10/2005 02:38:58 PM · #12
bear_music, I think you left the mic on.. ;-)

(Paul agrees.)
07/10/2005 02:35:06 PM · #13
(Bear quietly remarks to himself that the original critique seemed to him to be very useful, if perhaps a bit short in the social niceties. He further muses that he wasn't aware that it was a requirement to commenting that the pill be sugarcoated. He further contemplates how the shooter's response is an actual, personal attack upon the critiquer. And he, finally, concludes that this is a very strange world and that someone other than the critiquer is the one who needs to grow up.)

R.
07/10/2005 02:29:40 PM · #14
To defend myself here (and thanks to all who sent me nice words of encouragement via email)...
I thought I touched base on a number of elements that in my opinion needed improvement. You know what the subject is and therefor it's clear to you, isn't it helpful for you to know that the subject isn't readily recognizable to others? Isn't it helpful to know that someone just doesn't like it? I don't feel the need to lie to you and give you a false sense that everyone loves your photo.
You know, after the challenge is over...we're going to get 'everyone said they loved my photo, so WHY oh WHY did it score so low?' threads.
I voted and started commenting from the bottom up, so people wont HAVE to ask that question.
I apologize that you didn't find it helpful, and in response to Tiki's email to me informing me that I should get out of the voting panel because people don't like me... I apologize to everyone who 'doesn't like me'.
As for removing myself from the voting panel...I'll consider that.

edit to add that I have removed the comment from the photo due to it being 'rude and unhelpful'...my apologies.

Message edited by author 2005-07-10 14:57:12.
07/09/2005 07:26:48 PM · #15
(Joining ken in keeping... mouth... shut....)

R.
07/09/2005 06:35:53 PM · #16
Well, while all the comments were intended to be helpful I think what fueled the objection was "Looks kind of like a giant glob of phlegm with something stuck in the center." We all make mistakes though and I'm sure Heather ment no disrespect and was only trying to help as she always has in the past.
07/09/2005 06:35:29 PM · #17
Originally posted by emorgan49:

I count at least five useful pieces of advice. I can't understand what your complaint is at all. Are you saying it should have been worded more politely?

I think it may be the "blurry mess" and "Looks kind of like a giant glob of phlegm" parts that were offensive and unnecessary.

07/09/2005 06:30:27 PM · #18
Originally posted by Tikicharm:

Not too much typing there.. it was copy and paste :)


I doubt it. Heather types about 80 words per minute.

Besides, most of the comment was specific to your photo -- not something likely to be copy/pasted.

-Terry

Message edited by author 2005-07-09 19:25:09.
07/09/2005 06:27:52 PM · #19
Tiki, you got a great comment on a not-so-great shot. Unfortunately, you've given away your entry which is supposed to remain anonymous. It's clear your feelings were hurt, but I'm sure that was not the intention of the commenter. Why publicly try to embarass someone who was just trying to help you?

I think the one you up-loaded to your portfolio on April 5th, 2005 is better; however I have to agree with Heather that such a close crop detracts from the overall visual appeal.

07/09/2005 06:24:44 PM · #20
I count at least five useful pieces of advice. I can't understand what your complaint is at all. Are you saying it should have been worded more politely?

1, It is different, therefore might not have wide voter appeal.
2. It is out of focus - you could have improved your focus
3. It has distracting highlights- you could have improved your lighting
4. The liquid is not attratctive - might a color shift have helped it?
5. the composition is centered - would a more dynamic angle or crop have changed the image?

NOT ONE BIT OF GOOD ADVICE!
07/09/2005 06:23:00 PM · #21
Originally posted by Tikicharm:

This is definately different. Since I had to participate in validating this, I know what it is and how it was done, but I don't think that helps add appeal at all to me. While I appreciate the effort put into this, honestly, it looks like a blurry mess. The light reflection in the upper right is a distraction, as is the tiny whiteness in the black part. Without having seen the original, I wouldn't have guessed this was an actual [deleted]. Looks kind of like a giant glob of phlegm with something stuck in the center. The centered comp doesn't really add to the photo. Seems to be lacking in dramatic angle or interesting crop at least. Overall the image just doesn't appeal to me. Sorry. ~Heather~

NOT ONE BIT OF GOOD ADVICE! SHE IS ONE OF THE SITES VALIDATORS????

PS HEATHER - IF I COULD HAVE SENT IN A PHOTO WITH A LITTLE SPOT EDITING - THE WHITE SPOTS WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE, BUT THIS IS A BASIC EDITING CONTEST!

Does anyone else get comments like this from the validators of your photos?


Tiki:

Here's a comment you left in one of the current challenges:

Originally posted by Tikicharm:

This is not a macro. It has real bright sun spots.
The subject is kinda gross.


How is the comment you received from Heather fundamentally different from this one that you left?

Bear in mind that a lot of people ask for more helpful and honest comments, and the challenge rules specifically encourage voters to comment on entries they give lower scores.

I've read Heather's comment and seen your entry. While she's certainly a bit more blunt than I would have been (that's her style), her comments directly address the photograph and certainly can't be classified as personal attacks. There is certainly nothing in the rules that say that comments most be positive or sugar-coated, only that they may not be "blatantly slanderous, rude or profane," and in my opinion Heather's comments do not cross that line.

Also please bear in mind that many voters on the site value anonymity in challenges. As such, please refrain from making any post which may reveal your entry while voting is in progress. Of course, you may post whatever you like after the voting period ends.

-Terry

Message edited by author 2005-07-09 18:29:20.
07/09/2005 06:20:10 PM · #22
I think the comment from Heather was overly harsh. She could have stated her opinion more tactfully. Doing so would have made the comments more effective too.

07/09/2005 05:55:19 PM · #23
Originally posted by Jewellian:

I think this rant backfired.....


Probably would have been a good idea to have waited until the challenge was over before starting this thread....
07/09/2005 05:40:51 PM · #24
I would be happy to receive a detail critique like the one your picture received.
It means someone has taken time to try and help you and sometimes the truth hurts.
07/09/2005 05:25:42 PM · #25
I think this rant backfired.....
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