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07/31/2005 11:39:26 PM · #1
I made #205 -- that's cool.

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I wasn't sure about the limited DOF I used.
07/31/2005 10:25:04 PM · #2
Well, I guess I got a decent amount of comments, and they were mostly good, so I was surprized I scored so low on the totem pole. I'm starting to get used to that. ha ha

J
07/31/2005 10:15:13 PM · #3


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I just loved this entry and didn't get hardly any comments. Since we are all taking constructive criticism, may I have some as well???

Thanks, Judy
07/31/2005 09:46:20 PM · #4
I am by no means a master nor do I feel like I am one to do a proper critique of someone whose work I admire, but that being said, I gave the mushroom shot a 6 as well. I certainly appreciated the light and the texture, but there was something about it that put me off. I too didn't know what it was at first and only knew after reading the title (I usually study the photo first and then see how it is named). Sometimes tone on tone images are very impactful, yet other times, they may lose some of their POW for the same reason. I hope this makes sense and doesn't offend.

Judy
07/28/2005 01:29:28 PM · #5
congrats to all who entered and a big congrats to all those who made it through voting :)

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07/28/2005 12:17:28 PM · #6
Originally posted by hyperfocal:

Originally posted by sacredspirit:

Well I really liked the Waterfall photo, it was beutiful, one of the best in my opinion.


Thanks.

Originally posted by sacredspirit:


Sometimes the voters on here baffle me too. I entered the cow's skull, I thought it was unique and beautiful, but I too was shot down. I am still not sure why, there wasn't a whole lot of comments, because of its mediocrity I guess. Maybe it was the death part people didn't like.


I check out your shot, because I didn't get to it during the challenge(unfortunally this was the first challenge that I entered without voting on all of the entries). First I think it is a real good still life that meets the challenge well. Nice textures and good use of negative space. Exposure was dead on with detail in the shadows and good control of the highlight detail (tough giving the main subjects tone). My only crisism would be the use of red in the border. It takes your eye away from the rest of the image, especially the color in the beads. Good work that definately deserved a better score. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/360/thumb/205380.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/360/thumb/205380.jpg', '/') + 1) . '


To be honest, I didn't even SEE the skull-ness of this shot. I was thinking ceremonial shield. So I don't think the "death" part was turning people off. I believe the image is too contrasty for what it is, and I notice also that it (like others in this thread) is divided bilaterally into subject and nothingness. It occurs to me people are trying to use "negative space" when they do this, but as a rule of thumb negative space needs to be a dynamic element, ins hape and size, to work. Rarely does a 50/50, perfectly vertical (or horizontal) balance of subject and negative space work well compositionally. 50/50 diagonals are better, but a more ideal balance of negative space to subject would be 1/3 2/3 (with the subject being EITHER the larger or smaller portion depending on the image). However, thsi is a VERY broad rule of thumg, not even NEARLY set in stone.

Robt.
07/28/2005 11:31:32 AM · #7
Robert: Thanks. Yes, I did process it first to have more detail in the shadow area. The initial exposure does have a lot of detail in that area. But I wanted something different to create an effect and obviously it didn't work. Also, regarding the roof, I see what you are saying. I did ask myself that question and decided that the roof and wood does the job :) Thanks again for the input.
07/28/2005 11:26:17 AM · #8
Colette: Thanks. I was checking your comment just now. I understand what you are saying. I now think that one of the reasons could be that there are too many variables here. I made the middle darker as it is becuase I didn't want the eyes to be drawn there. I think I will rework on it and see what else I can do.
07/28/2005 11:25:39 AM · #9
Originally posted by xion:

I really liked what I submitted for Textures, but didn't see much interest in it from others. I don't know if it's the subject matter that people found boring or if most of the others didn't agree with me on the quality of the image or if it has something to do with the image in relation to the challege. I would love to hear some more opinions. Anyone care to help me out with this one?
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The dominant feature of this image is the shadowed area, and it doesn't have enough detail to support its dominance. The most "textured" part is the thatch of the roof, and it plays a secondary role in the composition. As a "textures" entry, then, it's only marginally succesful.

Speaking of it as a non challenge-related image, the dark area needs more detail and contrast. I suspect that stepping back (or zooming wider) to include more thatch relative to the whole would have resulted in a superior composition, assuming the shadow area were exposed/processed to reveal more detail of interest. As it is, the composition is somewhat kludgy.

Robt.
07/28/2005 11:21:56 AM · #10
Thanks all for the comments... I agree with all of them... Jacko's image is spectacular (thanks for pointing it out). That's pretty much what I had envisioned going into this, but I was attempting to incorporate more texture. An unfortunate by-product of my attempts to lighten and soften the image resulting in the blown foreground. More experience with Photoshop should help prevent me from making the same mistake in the future.
07/28/2005 11:21:22 AM · #11
Originally posted by xion:

I really liked what I submitted for Textures, but didn't see much interest in it from others. I don't know if it's the subject matter that people found boring or if most of the others didn't agree with me on the quality of the image or if it has something to do with the image in relation to the challege. I would love to hear some more opinions. Anyone care to help me out with this one?
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I left you a comment. I have one more observation though.... A closer shot of the roof may have worked better. This would eliminate most of the dark area in the middle of the current image.
07/28/2005 11:17:15 AM · #12
I really liked what I submitted for Textures, but didn't see much interest in it from others. I don't know if it's the subject matter that people found boring or if most of the others didn't agree with me on the quality of the image or if it has something to do with the image in relation to the challege. I would love to hear some more opinions. Anyone care to help me out with this one?
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07/28/2005 11:10:16 AM · #13
Originally posted by ldowse:

OK guys... I'm a brand new DPC'er and submitted my first entry ever...

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I'm OK with my overall placement (220) in such a large challenge, especially after seeing the quality of the entries I was up against. My score was only slightly above average (5.3ish) and I realize the subtle textures may have been a bit of a stretch for the challenge. I have been looking over this post and noticed some excellent pointers on some of the other entries and would like to see if you guys could extend the same courtesy to me and let me know what you did or didn't like about my entry. Let me further state that you do not need to "gloss over" your comments, be as honest as you like, all input (negative and positive) would be greatly appreciated. I'm relatively new to photography and am trying to improve on my abilities. I also realize I have a long way to go. Thanks in advance!

-Lee


Lee,

Several things strike me as areas that could use improvement int his image. Most noticeable is the composition. The image is divided into two parts: baby and foreground. The foreground takes up exactly half the image, and contributes exactly nothing to the overall feeling of the show. It's not even a "negative space", it has no dynamic that it brings to the party whatsoever. I presume you used the excess foreground in an attempt to incorporate the challenge topic, in the sense that the foreground is a "soft texture", but that's not very effective thinking, in the sense that it can't just "be" there, it has to DO something.

If you imagine the shot pretty much exactly as it is except with the baby on, say, a 30 degree diagonal (butt lower on the right) then that would be an immediate improvement.

Another thing I notice is the very visible purple shade around the baby's eye. This is very disturbing, the eye looks puffy and swollen and it's not pretty or serene at all. Yet the overall gestalt of the shot seems to be to suggest peacefulness and serenity, so this detail is greatly at odds with that.

Finally, the lighting/exposure is such that the textured surface on which the baby is lying is composed primarily of blown highlights, it looks poorly-thought-out.

On the plus side, the lighting on the baby itself is sort of sweet, and if you had simply composed this shot with more BG above the baby and less foreground in front, it would have been improved dramatically.

Robt.


07/28/2005 11:08:26 AM · #14
Originally posted by ldowse:

OK guys... I'm a brand new DPC'er and submitted my first entry ever...

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I'm OK with my overall placement (220) in such a large challenge, especially after seeing the quality of the entries I was up against. My score was only slightly above average (5.3ish) and I realize the subtle textures may have been a bit of a stretch for the challenge. I have been looking over this post and noticed some excellent pointers on some of the other entries and would like to see if you guys could extend the same courtesy to me and let me know what you did or didn't like about my entry. Let me further state that you do not need to "gloss over" your comments, be as honest as you like, all input (negative and positive) would be greatly appreciated. I'm relatively new to photography and am trying to improve on my abilities. I also realize I have a long way to go. Thanks in advance!

-Lee


Comparing your shot to a very similar one by Jacko from a previous challenge...
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Notice the subtle differences other than composition: the softer lighting, the sharper focus, and the more natural-looking skin tones. Those subtleties mean the difference between a 5 and a 7, a 6 and an 8, and soforth. That being said, your shot is very sweet and will be a cherished memory I'm sure. :)
07/28/2005 11:03:41 AM · #15
Originally posted by sacredspirit:

Well I really liked the Waterfall photo, it was beutiful, one of the best in my opinion.


Thanks.

Originally posted by sacredspirit:


Sometimes the voters on here baffle me too. I entered the cow's skull, I thought it was unique and beautiful, but I too was shot down. I am still not sure why, there wasn't a whole lot of comments, because of its mediocrity I guess. Maybe it was the death part people didn't like.


I check out your shot, because I didn't get to it during the challenge(unfortunally this was the first challenge that I entered without voting on all of the entries). First I think it is a real good still life that meets the challenge well. Nice textures and good use of negative space. Exposure was dead on with detail in the shadows and good control of the highlight detail (tough giving the main subjects tone). My only crisism would be the use of red in the border. It takes your eye away from the rest of the image, especially the color in the beads. Good work that definately deserved a better score. ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/360/thumb/205380.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/360/thumb/205380.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
07/28/2005 10:59:29 AM · #16
Originally posted by ldowse:

OK guys... I'm a brand new DPC'er and submitted my first entry ever...

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I'm OK with my overall placement (220) in such a large challenge, especially after seeing the quality of the entries I was up against. My score was only slightly above average (5.3ish) and I realize the subtle textures may have been a bit of a stretch for the challenge. I have been looking over this post and noticed some excellent pointers on some of the other entries and would like to see if you guys could extend the same courtesy to me and let me know what you did or didn't like about my entry. Let me further state that you do not need to "gloss over" your comments, be as honest as you like, all input (negative and positive) would be greatly appreciated. I'm relatively new to photography and am trying to improve on my abilities. I also realize I have a long way to go. Thanks in advance!

-Lee


I left you a comment.
07/28/2005 10:58:56 AM · #17
Ok, Lee! First and foremost I want to say that I gave you an 8 on this image. I am more of an idea voter though, not as much on the technicals, but moreso on a good unique idea, and this one pleased me very much.

The second thing I would like to mention is that I am pretty much elementery, compared to some of these guys, so take my comments lightly, and only if you see the same things.

The centering, the shadows and/or depth, and the material the baby is laying on. All these things I think could of been impproved upon. Again the idea is fantastic, but the image also looks a bit blurry, and not as technically sound as it could of been. Alot of that could of been during the resizing of the image. I know I have two editing programs (ACDsee)and (Adobe PS 7.0), and one does better than the other (Adobe) at preserving the details.

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07/28/2005 10:26:53 AM · #18
OK guys... I'm a brand new DPC'er and submitted my first entry ever...

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I'm OK with my overall placement (220) in such a large challenge, especially after seeing the quality of the entries I was up against. My score was only slightly above average (5.3ish) and I realize the subtle textures may have been a bit of a stretch for the challenge. I have been looking over this post and noticed some excellent pointers on some of the other entries and would like to see if you guys could extend the same courtesy to me and let me know what you did or didn't like about my entry. Let me further state that you do not need to "gloss over" your comments, be as honest as you like, all input (negative and positive) would be greatly appreciated. I'm relatively new to photography and am trying to improve on my abilities. I also realize I have a long way to go. Thanks in advance!

-Lee
07/28/2005 09:33:30 AM · #19
YIKES! Can't blame it on the lack of coffee...need to clean the glasses perhaps? Ok, let me adjust my post. ;^)

It's amazing how all other photos pale in comparison to our own isn't it.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

...the "Tools of the Trade" challenge which (I have to say) has been rather mediocre in the pics I've voted on so far...

07/28/2005 09:16:06 AM · #20
He said not enough composition , not competition lol

Originally posted by glad2badad:

It's amazing how all other photos pale in comparison to our own isn't it. Considering that there isn't "enough competition" you should do very well then...look forward to seeing you in the winners circle.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

...the "Tools of the Trade" challenge which (I have to say) has been rather mediocre in the pics I've voted on so far. Not enough composition and too many snapshots...

07/28/2005 08:52:10 AM · #21
It's amazing how all other photos pale in comparison to our own isn't it. Considering that there isn't "enough competition" you should do very well then...look forward to seeing you in the winners circle.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

...the "Tools of the Trade" challenge which (I have to say) has been rather mediocre in the pics I've voted on so far. Not enough composition and too many snapshots...

07/28/2005 08:45:31 AM · #22
Well I really liked the Waterfall photo, it was beutiful, one of the best in my opinion.

Sometimes the voters on here baffle me too. I entered the cow's skull, I thought it was unique and beautiful, but I too was shot down. I am still not sure why, there wasn't a whole lot of comments, because of its mediocrity I guess. Maybe it was the death part people didn't like.

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07/28/2005 08:33:13 AM · #23
"I never complain about my score, but I thought it was funny that many people think water can't have texture (given several comments I recieved). The challenge was Textures III not rough textures III. Just a curious observation"
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I agree with you -- I felt that your image of the waterfall was a good one and that the silky smooth flow of the water was quite dominant -- thats definately texture
07/27/2005 06:34:01 PM · #24
I never complain about my score, but I thought it was funny that many people think water can't have texture (given several comments I recieved). The challenge was Textures III not rough textures III. Just a curious observation.
07/27/2005 06:24:06 PM · #25
I consider the competition to be quite stiff so I was really pleased with 60th on my first entry. In the end, I actually don't think the pic was too good. It doesn't look like a picture one would want to hang on the wall. Hopefully I improve that quality in the "Tools of the Trade" challenge which (I have to say) has been rather mediocre in the pics I've voted on so far. Not enough composition and too many snapshots...

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