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06/05/2003 06:26:47 PM · #1
Please read this post completely before you respond. The purpose of this discussion is to determine if it would be beneficial and acceptable to request a rule change to allow the use of dodging and burning on our challenge photographs. Dodging and burning is a very common darkroom technique that film photographers use to make adjustments to their photographs.

Dodge-Burn Tutorial

The proposal is that we ask that the dodge/burn tools be added to the acceptable image modification rules.

Question to you: Do you believe this type of modification should or should not be allowed on dpchallenge contest entries? Please feel free to add any explanation to your answer...

06/05/2003 06:29:42 PM · #2
Yes I feel it is a viable tool for digital photography contests. There are plenty of times that an area could be enhanced by using either of these tools to provide a better final photograph.
06/05/2003 06:32:32 PM · #3
yes...it should be allowed.
06/05/2003 06:33:13 PM · #4
You got my vote, thumbs up!
06/05/2003 06:33:35 PM · #5
Yes. Especially because it's possible in the darkroom. (I'm glad I don't have to cut any cardboard out to do it on my digital pics, though!)
06/05/2003 06:33:57 PM · #6
you've got a yes from me!
06/05/2003 06:35:31 PM · #7
Yes, because I feel it is a required and well accepted part of the standard set of darkroom tools, for both digital and film photography.
06/05/2003 06:36:16 PM · #8
Should be allowed. Although I know what it is and its use in film photography, I have no experinece using it digitally. I really wanna learn and master this technique, its something that will help me finish off my photos.
06/05/2003 06:38:52 PM · #9
I can see people who don't know how to use it either making a bad image even worse or worst yet, becoming discouraged because they can't get the results that they had hoped. If they do allow spot editting of any sort, again I have got to stress that there needs to be a limit set(either percentage of image or number of pixels).
06/05/2003 06:39:53 PM · #10
I think so. (How's that for a definitive answer). I have heard a lot about this technique, seen some results, and would definitely like to try it.
06/05/2003 06:40:11 PM · #11
Yes. (Though that seemed an odd tutorial for use in this context, since it refers to artwork and uses other tools...)

Question: There have been other techniques mentioned for performing D/B operations - would they be allowed as well?

If so, then the wording should be more general, allowing the technique, not just the tools. If not, then the wording seems fine and should retain the specific reference to the "dodge and burn tools".

Message edited by author 2003-06-05 18:41:38.
06/05/2003 06:41:07 PM · #12
After completely reading the tutorial I tried it in PS then tried to do the same thing in PSP and I couldn't find a burn tool in PSP.

Again I am going to say TOTALLY against it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06/05/2003 06:42:35 PM · #13
PSP does have dodge and burn. Go to "Help" and type in "dodge" or "burn".
06/05/2003 06:43:02 PM · #14
Oh, I forgot. I am in favour of this proposal.
06/05/2003 06:44:23 PM · #15
Without a doubt. It is a method of working with light which photography is all about. One reason is that with dodging and burning you are able to correct or enhance areas in a photo to more closely match what was seen in real life but limited in the digital capture due to the sensor's narrower exposure range. It goes hand in hand with exposure tools such as Levels.

T
06/05/2003 06:46:25 PM · #16
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

After completely reading the tutorial I tried it in PS then tried to do the same thing in PSP and I couldn't find a burn tool in PSP.

Again I am going to say TOTALLY against it!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is a mode of the 'retouch' tool in PSP7, and the dodge/burn tool in PSP8

Message edited by author 2003-06-05 18:50:44.
06/05/2003 06:47:00 PM · #17
Would the proponents of this new rule suggestion be so keen on pushing this if they were not already very proficient in using dodge and burn? Another way to be king of the heap maybe? Welcome to the 5s.
06/05/2003 06:47:39 PM · #18
Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Let us dodge and burn to our hearts desire. Then let us clone too!!!!

Bob
06/05/2003 06:48:21 PM · #19
Originally posted by uabresch:

PSP does have dodge and burn. Go to "Help" and type in "dodge" or "burn".


What version are you using? I tried that and 7.02 isn't coming up with anything unless it is a brush plug in that I don't have, which is possible but it isn't bringing anything up through help for "dodge" or "burn"
06/05/2003 06:49:24 PM · #20
Originally posted by RLS:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Let us dodge and burn to our hearts desire. Then let us clone too!!!!

Bob


And don't forget masking and layering too!!!!
06/05/2003 06:51:09 PM · #21
Let's keep this discussion to the original point please. Tutorials or threads on individual programs can be discussed elsewhere. Thanks.

I vote yes.
06/05/2003 06:51:51 PM · #22
Dodge & Burn specifically ... Yes.
06/05/2003 06:53:02 PM · #23
Originally posted by orussell:

Would the proponents of this new rule suggestion be so keen on pushing this if they were not already very proficient in using dodge and burn? Another way to be king of the heap maybe? Welcome to the 5s.


I'm terrible at it. I want the opportunity within dpc to learn. Yes I can do it in other situations or for other web sites. But this is where I do the majority of my learning and improving type photography. Its the area were I tend to be pushed to do the really best I can.
06/05/2003 06:53:04 PM · #24
yes...it should be allowed.
06/05/2003 06:54:32 PM · #25
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by uabresch:

PSP does have dodge and burn. Go to "Help" and type in "dodge" or "burn".


What version are you using? I tried that and 7.02 isn't coming up with anything unless it is a brush plug in that I don't have, which is possible but it isn't bringing anything up through help for "dodge" or "burn"


its the retouch tool. It isn't a plugin, or a special feature. Its a standard part of the package and has been there for at least the last 3 versions. Here is yet another free tutorial that explains how to use it. this time for PSP6.

Message edited by author 2003-06-05 18:57:36.
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