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10/11/2005 12:21:13 PM · #1
The country not the bird.

I'm planning to do a thread in the future (When my goddamn hard drive arrives) discribing my dear country Turkey, a very very detailed description with pictures and all the shiznit. But first of all I just wanted to get a basic idea of how everyone views Turkey.

So PLEASE can you just tell me what you know ( or don't know) about Turkey? Any response would be appreciated, if you don't know anything, I'll take that too. If you hate Turkey, tell me. This is all for research so I won't get all nationalist on you.

Help me with this as I'll be using your responses in a school research as well (How Turkey is viewed from the outside), if you wish to be anonymous I would use your name.
10/11/2005 12:23:52 PM · #2
I guess for us Aussies Gallipoli will always be the main talking point with Turkey! We remember the landing at Gallipoli every year here at Anzac day.

10/11/2005 12:30:47 PM · #3
I met some Turkish ambassadors several years ago and the strongest impression I have of that meeting was the smell of clove cigarettes.
10/11/2005 12:32:28 PM · #4
Having visited Istanbul about 5-6 years back, I think it was 1999, my main knowledge is just of the sites we saw there and the history we picked up during that trip. Much of it I've forgotten now.

I have some awareness of other areas of Turkey, having worked previously for a UK tour operator, but not very detailed.

I'd like to visit the mainland area to see some of the archeological sites as well as Cappadocia to see the troglodyte towns and landscape.

I think the information you suggest would be better placed onto a website rather than in a thread here, with a link to the site from a thread but that's just a suggestion.

GOOD LUCK!
10/11/2005 12:38:59 PM · #5
In America the popular perception of Turkey, generically speaking, is "warlike barbarians". There's little awareness of Turkey as the crossroads of empires, little awareness that Constantinople (for example) was what is now Istanbul. There's little awareness of the close ties between Greece and Turkey, historically, and of why these countries are at odds with each other now. Very few people realize that Turkey, which is seen by most as a Muslim country only, was the heart of the great, Christian "Byzantine Empire" under Constantine, and that it was conquered by Muslims and underwent a sea change as a result.

For me it's a storied land of ancient mystery.

Robt.
10/11/2005 12:39:39 PM · #6
Hmmm...of Turkey I know a tiny bit about Mustafa Kemmal (Sp?) and the legislation he introduced in attempts to make Turkey far more secular. I also know about the terrible atrocities that Turkey waged against the Armenians and Kurds which border on genocide.

Quite a large proportion of Turkish football fans are complete t*ats carrying knives, guns, and a variety of other weapons into the grounds.

Oh...and Turkish delight is lush :)
10/11/2005 12:42:12 PM · #7
Originally posted by bear_music:

... little awareness that Constantinople (for example) was what is now Istanbul.


Please! Everyone knows that Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.
10/11/2005 12:44:34 PM · #8
Well "tyrkinn" actually is icelandic for "turkish guy" if that tells you anything mate. Gürüzürüz
10/11/2005 12:44:53 PM · #9
busted post...

Message edited by author 2005-10-11 12:45:37.
10/11/2005 12:47:08 PM · #10
Unfortunately, I know very little about Turkey. I have a vague awareness of Kurdish issues in the south, I have a very vague recollection of "Midnight Express" (which I suspect was not very fair to the Turks), but my husband used to go there on business and always commented on how beautiful it is. My other vague recollections are of history class, and learning about Constantinople. (Being both American and apparently in the early stages of senility means that pretty much everything I know is vague ...)
10/11/2005 12:48:41 PM · #11
Originally posted by mk:


Please! Everyone knows that Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam, why they changed it I can't say, people just liked it better that way. Take me back to Constantinople, no you can't go back to Constantinaple... ;-) Just what I know by heart.

Originally posted by Kavey:


I think the information you suggest would be better placed onto a website rather than in a thread here, with a link to the site from a thread but that's just a suggestion.

I'll have to think about that.

WaysOfSeeing: Thank you for your honest reply.

And Robt I think I love you.

Originally posted by tyrkinn:

Well "tyrkinn" actually is icelandic for "turkish guy" if that tells you anything mate. Gürüzürüz

Interesting... And cute too :P

Keep 'em coming

Message edited by author 2005-10-11 12:49:08.
10/11/2005 12:49:07 PM · #12
YES !! they very well might be giants ;}

Originally posted by mk:

Please! Everyone knows that Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.

10/11/2005 12:51:25 PM · #13
Originally posted by mk:

Everyone knows that Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.


exactly... everything i need to know about turkey, i learned from they might be giants...

oh... and turkish coffee = good but turkish delight = ick.
10/11/2005 12:57:53 PM · #14
Kabop -- ok I dunno how to spell it, but when I was in Germany we would go to this little stand owned by a couple Turkish guys. And the Germans pronounced it Kabop. It was basically meat (lamb or another choice), onions, and tomatos and some really good sauce on a pita-like bread. Kinda like a gyro, but the bread was different among other things.
10/11/2005 01:03:57 PM · #15
<sings>Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks</sings>

10/11/2005 01:10:40 PM · #16
Originally posted by wavelength:

<sings>Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks</sings>


Thank you!!!!!!!!!! I have been singing that song since I saw this thread earlier today...now I know I'm not the only one! ;)
10/11/2005 01:26:54 PM · #17
Originally posted by laurielblack:


Thank you!!!!!!!!!! I have been singing that song since I saw this thread earlier today...now I know I'm not the only one! ;)


Yes, we're both officially dorks :o)
10/11/2005 01:31:48 PM · #18
Originally posted by Ennil:


(When my goddamn hard drive arrives)


When my kids get to be 14 yo and they talk like this I will bust em right in the nose. ;-)
10/11/2005 01:31:58 PM · #19
That's sweet, ennil. I love you too.

R.
10/11/2005 01:33:27 PM · #20
I don't know too much about Turkey except that they have Mt. Ararat where Noah's Ark is supposed to have grounded there. I won't even get into an Armenian buddy at work and what he goes off on sometimes.

Also, what the hell is Turkish Delight? Since I was a kid, having read "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" many times, I still have not found out.
10/11/2005 01:39:16 PM · #21
Originally posted by Telehubbie:


Also, what the hell is Turkish Delight? Since I was a kid, having read "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" many times, I still have not found out.


//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_delight
10/11/2005 01:41:08 PM · #22
Thanks MK!
10/11/2005 02:01:07 PM · #23
I had a great time in Turkey in May. I visited Istanbul and Izmir. The people were very friendly, even when they weren't trying to sell me a carpet or shine my shoes.

I do not think the average American thinks much (or knows much) at all about Turkey. I did a little reading about Turkey before my trip. Lord Kinross's book "The Ottoman Centuries" described the history of the country very well. The Seljuk Turks were initially a wondering band from the Asian Steppes who slowly conquered territory from the decaying Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine empire). The Byzantines lost a major battle with the Turks at Manzikert in the early 13th century in which the Byzantine emperor was captured and latered released. The gradual encroachment of Byzantine territory continued for several centuries until Constantinople was virtually all that was left of the Byzantine empire. The city fell in 1453 to Mehmet II (the conqueror) who made it his capital (in place of Edirne I think). The city and the Turkish empire grew under subsequent Sultans to include the Balkans, North Africa, the middle east and the entire Mediterranian. Turkish conquests continued right up to the gates of Vienna. Alas, however, the Europeans and the Russians gradually reclaimed territories and the Balkan states rebelled. Greece rebelled and broke away from the Ottoman empire in the 1820's. The Turkish empire declined like the Roman empire did. Following WWI in which the allies occupied Turkey for a time, Attaturk came to power and drove the allies out. He sent the last Sultan into exile and founded the current republic.
10/11/2005 03:16:25 PM · #24
Originally posted by probus:

I had a great time in Turkey in May. I visited Istanbul and Izmir. The people were very friendly, even when they weren't trying to sell me a carpet or shine my shoes.

I do not think the average American thinks much (or knows much) at all about Turkey. I did a little reading about Turkey before my trip. Lord Kinross's book "The Ottoman Centuries" described the history of the country very well. The Seljuk Turks were initially a wondering band from the Asian Steppes who slowly conquered territory from the decaying Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine empire). The Byzantines lost a major battle with the Turks at Manzikert in the early 13th century in which the Byzantine emperor was captured and latered released. The gradual encroachment of Byzantine territory continued for several centuries until Constantinople was virtually all that was left of the Byzantine empire. The city fell in 1453 to Mehmet II (the conqueror) who made it his capital (in place of Edirne I think). The city and the Turkish empire grew under subsequent Sultans to include the Balkans, North Africa, the middle east and the entire Mediterranian. Turkish conquests continued right up to the gates of Vienna. Alas, however, the Europeans and the Russians gradually reclaimed territories and the Balkan states rebelled. Greece rebelled and broke away from the Ottoman empire in the 1820's. The Turkish empire declined like the Roman empire did. Following WWI in which the allies occupied Turkey for a time, Attaturk came to power and drove the allies out. He sent the last Sultan into exile and founded the current republic.


I very well think you know more about Turkey's history than I do.
10/11/2005 03:30:30 PM · #25
Turkey is a beautiful place and great to photograph. I really want to get back there sometime. Ennil, you should post your pictures. Take a look at my site. I've posted some vacation photos from Turkey there. Let me know what you think.
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