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12/07/2005 02:48:25 AM · #1
Just finished looking through all the shots from the Too Early challenge and I’m starting to wonder how many people actually read the challenge guide lines.

Let’s rehash the Too Early guide lines here “Compose a photograph and shoot it as if you were too early.” As quoted off the Challenge page for the “Too Early” challenge

This does NOT mean the following:
“Compose a photograph and shoot the idea of too early”
“Compose a photograph and shoot something”
“Don’t bother composing a photograph and shoot something”
“Press the button on my camera and hope to capture something”

The key word in the sentence here is “you”, meaning you the photographer … so let’s read that again:

"Compose a photograph and shoot it as if you (the photographer) were too early."

With all that off my chest now, there were a handful of wonderful shots that fitted this extremely difficult challenge very nicely, and for those of you I bow and give you 10.

PS feel free to cut me down here if I’m the one who has misread the challenge …
12/07/2005 02:51:01 AM · #2
Did not meet the challenge Nazi
12/07/2005 02:53:43 AM · #3
I personally think you've read it right. Then again like most things in life, you intrepret things differently. The "you" that you've stated as the photographer may mean that they can be in the shot, or something something with their own hands that's too early.

There are a few random ones, but there are a lot of great shots as well. Maybe trying judging the shot for their composition and whatever it is one looks in a shot, then deduct a point or two from you're original thinking if you think it doesn't fit the challenge.

So it's all interpretation as well as if the audience can see what is trying to be portrayed.
12/07/2005 02:54:50 AM · #4
Originally posted by keegbow:

Did not meet the challenge Nazi


LMAO! Mine definitely did not meet the challenge. But, it was as close to early as I was able to think this week. But, I doubt I will have any problems with CHEESE!!! Love the stuff, not to mention I'm just a cheesy type of guy.
12/07/2005 03:01:49 AM · #5
this happened on "Too Late" as well... I must admit though...I didnt realize until i was submitting mine that it was slightly off challenge. Ah well, perhaps next time?? (I am amazed though at how many of the pics are like mine in that they portray something as too early/late instead of showing that they took the pic too early/late). oops = )
12/07/2005 03:05:10 AM · #6
This was a hard challenge as evidenced by the number of entries. It's a matter of interpretation. My entry IMHO was shot too early as the description in the challenge states but have been getting mixed votes from folks. Oh well. it's the first night. i'm just aiming for a 5.75 in the end. Is it too early to ask for that?

:D
12/07/2005 03:11:20 AM · #7
How about trying this on for size. (to the DNMC nazi's)

For once imagine (imagine..hehe..hahah..errmm..sorry...) that as a voter and part of an audience you might actually look at photos and try to give the photographer a chance to show you his view point.

I have heard the argument that the challenge is treated like a photo assignment from a client.

B.S....

Look at my profile. I work for a company that does this very thing (have been buying images for 20 years) and this site is not like a "photo assignment for a client"

A photo assignment for a client has back and forth communication that ends in a final image.

This is an art site. Give the artists a chance to show you something inside themselves, relax, be a passenger instead of a back seat driver and enjoy the view instead of saying "are we there yet" a thousand times.

Whew.... >:-/

Message edited by author 2005-12-07 03:25:30.
12/07/2005 03:38:06 AM · #8
APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE!!!

Originally posted by hokie:

How about trying this on for size. (to the DNMC nazi's)

For once imagine (imagine..hehe..hahah..errmm..sorry...) that as a voter and part of an audience you might actually look at photos and try to give the photographer a chance to show you his view point.

I have heard the argument that the challenge is treated like a photo assignment from a client.

B.S....

Look at my profile. I work for a company that does this very thing (have been buying images for 20 years) and this site is not like a "photo assignment for a client"

A photo assignment for a client has back and forth communication that ends in a final image.

This is an art site. Give the artists a chance to show you something inside themselves, relax, be a passenger instead of a back seat driver and enjoy the view instead of saying "are we there yet" a thousand times.

Whew.... >:-/

12/07/2005 03:54:20 AM · #9
I absolutely agree with hokie. Relax a little.
12/07/2005 04:00:43 AM · #10
Originally posted by hokie:

How about trying this on for size. (to the DNMC nazi's)

For once imagine (imagine..hehe..hahah..errmm..sorry...) that as a voter and part of an audience you might actually look at photos and try to give the photographer a chance to show you his view point.

I have heard the argument that the challenge is treated like a photo assignment from a client.

B.S....

Look at my profile. I work for a company that does this very thing (have been buying images for 20 years) and this site is not like a "photo assignment for a client"

A photo assignment for a client has back and forth communication that ends in a final image.

This is an art site. Give the artists a chance to show you something inside themselves, relax, be a passenger instead of a back seat driver and enjoy the view instead of saying "are we there yet" a thousand times.

Whew.... >:-/


This is the atitude I like. Literal interpretations of challenges end up with a very narrow set of images. Voting soon becomes a chore as you see the same variations on the theme. I like the images which take a very different slant and come up with something unique, if just pushing the envelope a little

Relax and enjoy the different viewpoints from your fellow photographers.
12/07/2005 04:36:49 AM · #11
i would agree with seebrown that a lot of people did not read/understand/ or chose not to understand the challenge. A few good images here and there but this is going to be a low scoring challenge imo.
12/07/2005 04:37:19 AM · #12
The "Too Late" Challenge pics are the same. I agree the challenges state: Take a photo as if "YOU" were Too Early or Too Late. Most all of the photos have nothing to with the photographer being Too Early or Late.
12/07/2005 05:35:56 AM · #13
Bull shit... the 'you' were neither highlighted nor put in italics.... I am of the opnion that the focus is on early...., who can beyond reasonable doubt say I am wrong? I think, the 'you' refered too,is you who pressed the shutter release too early... so the focus is on too early, not you. And nonsense, it was not that a difficult challenge.

Please people, try to be just even a little more open minded, try to think outside your own paradigm and do not get bogged down within your own personal frame of reference which may even be wrong.

The issue really is, relax, be honest with yourself in your dealings with other people, many for which English is not the Mother tongue. I don't easily complain about anything but sure as hell I am tired of the negative spirit that every now and then raises it's ugly head. This is not about being wrong or right, this is about having, and compensating for, a different point of view.

Please have peace and enjoy the feast of other people's creative endevours.

12/07/2005 05:50:49 AM · #14
For once I have to say I agree (to an extent) with the challenge nazi's.

No... there is no emphasis on the word 'you' but the fact that the word is present indicates that it refers to the photographer being too early. i.e clicking the shutter before they should have.

Nevertheless, it was obviously a tough challenge, and given the number of people who seemed to have missed the boat I'd encourage voters not to be too anal. The problem with the english language (and indeed all language) is that it is incredibly difficult to be exactingly precise.

Happy voting!
12/07/2005 05:58:52 AM · #15
If there were no challenge details, we wouldn't have to have these threads.
12/07/2005 06:03:49 AM · #16
We had this discussion last night just prior to the submissiion deadline.
It was mostly agreed that the YOU meant that the viewer could be seeing something that was taking place and was either too early or too late. Just like art the theme allows for one to use their imagination to come up with an image that people can look at and appreciate.//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=314064

Message edited by author 2005-12-07 06:09:00.
12/07/2005 07:27:32 AM · #17
Originally posted by e301:

If there were no challenge details, we wouldn't have to have these threads.


This is an excellent point..... I have mentioned several times before all you need is a simple one word challenge or a few words in a title.

More credence would then be given to the artist on how they interpreted the challenge not on your own view on how the challenge should be interpreted.

Anyway probably flogging a dead horse again lets all just stay narrow minded, stifle creativity and shout me down for trying to bring about that evil of all evil "change".

Message edited by author 2005-12-07 07:28:02.
12/07/2005 01:52:30 PM · #18
I totally agree with you keegbow, it's frustrating to see people completely misunderstand the challenge while you are slaving away trying to stay within the challenge guidelines. I understand, and am sympathetic to, the fact that allot of members do not natively speak English. With this in mind perhaps a simple one to thee word challenge that can be interpreted many ways would be better than trying to narrow down the challenge with tricky wording … would help eliminate (as quoted by another user on this thread) “anal” people like me from creating these threads!

Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by e301:

If there were no challenge details, we wouldn't have to have these threads.


This is an excellent point..... I have mentioned several times before all you need is a simple one word challenge or a few words in a title.

More credence would then be given to the artist on how they interpreted the challenge not on your own view on how the challenge should be interpreted.

Anyway probably flogging a dead horse again lets all just stay narrow minded, stifle creativity and shout me down for trying to bring about that evil of all evil "change".
12/07/2005 03:11:24 PM · #19
I don't natively speak English, but the description was actually clear. When I started brainstorming for this, I thought to something to express the "too early" concept. But when I read once again the description I supposed that nobody would have given me good votes if I had not taken a picture of something not completed or so (so that I'm too early...), because I know the rules now ;-)

The problem is: if the description is there, it is to make us be creative within some borders (otherwise it is a free study!) and respecting a theme + description.

I think the most difficult part is to have the idea that respect the description and not pressing the shutter. I wouldn't call a nazi who is considering this...
12/07/2005 03:14:50 PM · #20
Originally posted by e301:

If there were no challenge details, we wouldn't have to have these threads.


That isn't true; we had the "what!?" challenge with nO description and people debated THAT at length... If asll challenges consisted os simply a single-word title as a theme ("Red", "Dead", "Open", "Shut") we'd STILL Have threads dissecting the etymology of the word :-)

jejeje™

R.
12/07/2005 03:18:25 PM · #21
I have to admit, that I did the same mistake with "Too Late"
I feel so stupid now :)

It's 4.7 at the moment. Should've read the description once more.
12/07/2005 03:20:26 PM · #22
Red - Blood red, or would rust color work? I red that somewhere.
Dead - really, really dead, or can it just appear dead? Is a tree branch without leaves dead or dormant?
Open - like a tournament? Oh, you mean like an open cabinet door. Is it open if you really can't see into the cabinet?
Shut - Isn't that the same as close? Can I use shutters if they're open?

He-he. ;^)

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by e301:

If there were no challenge details, we wouldn't have to have these threads.


That isn't true; we had the "what!?" challenge with nO description and people debated THAT at length... If asll challenges consisted os simply a single-word title as a theme ("Red", "Dead", "Open", "Shut") we'd STILL Have threads dissecting the etymology of the word :-)

jejeje™

R.

12/07/2005 03:25:32 PM · #23
I read the directions for "Too Late", took the shot this morning and it is one of the best shots I've ever taken.
12/07/2005 03:25:34 PM · #24
Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by e301:

If there were no challenge details, we wouldn't have to have these threads.


That isn't true; we had the "what!?" challenge with nO description and people debated THAT at length... If asll challenges consisted os simply a single-word title as a theme ("Red", "Dead", "Open", "Shut") we'd STILL Have threads dissecting the etymology of the word :-)

jejeje™

R.


I believe that was only because it was new and caught people off-guard.

It is just a mind set people have here, they always debate what is meant by the challenge and that is brought about by the fact they are scared too interpret the challenge in a way that would be different to the norm in fear of the "Did not meet the challenge Nazis"

That is how creativity is being stifled, I don't believe in the argument that it would make every challenge a free study. What it would do is let people see that things can be interpreted in different ways and still meet the general guidelines of a challenge.

12/07/2005 03:27:18 PM · #25
Originally posted by mud puddle:

I read the directions for "Too Late", took the shot this morning and it is one of the best shots I've ever taken.


Too bad you were "too late " to enter it :P
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