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12/09/2005 10:12:56 AM · #26
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

I would be totally shocked if the light bulb shot wasn't a direct copy.


Why, when I posted over half a dozen clipart and images of similar thought and idea.

I think the issue at hand is people who view any second viewing of an idea as "theft" and damn the scores. Not addressing the fact that the idea they are seeing may have been original to the photographer. On top of the fact that the original they saw may indeed have been "idea theft" from another.

Theoretically, Scalvert could have seen the moonbulb done elsewhere and replicated it (very well I might add) and Caleb could have truly come up with the idea all by himself. But where as we laud Scalvert on the basis of assumption that he came up with a novel idea (when for all we know he could have just been replicating an idea he had seen) and then at the same time we damn Caleb's entry because we've seen a similar and we are so arrogant and full of ourselves and all knowing so we know without a doubt our assumption that Caleb "stole" the idea is true. And we damn his photo for it.

If that does not seem like childish arrogance than I don't know what is. I am just saying "score the photo based on it's merit" with an understanding that it may lose it's "wow factor" and score lower. Heck, after seeing 6 dozen dragonfly eyes even a good photo of dragonfly eyes loses a bit of it's "wow factor" and scores appropriately. But I'm not going to slam the photo and give it a "1" or "2" just because "JoeDiddy" entered the very first "dragonfly eye" photo on DPC. That'd be stupid and wrong.

In fact, I am amazed when I see some amazing photo that I've never seen the like of before. (ie: ladybug, unfocused flower in background, flower re-focused in rain drop). I'd never seen such a technique before. And it had a lot of wow factor for me. I scored it very high. But numerous people expressed being tired of the water drop images and how it was similar to some photographer's work. To these people it was not novel. And they scored it lower than I did. However, it was still a very well executed photo technically. So it should still receive strong technical merit. But had someone who'd seen a similar idea given the photo "1" and stated "unoriginal" - that'd be a really unfair treatment. And this is exactly what many people are doing and expressing.

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And yes, that image caused a whole hubbub of attacks and criticisms. And spurred this same debate. Very little in this world is absolutely unique in scope. And damning someoone for failing to be is lame, moronic, insert your own adjective. I know that if I had a novel idea to me and put a lot of effort in and someone told me that it was a very well done photo but since I had "obviously" stolen the idea they gave me a "1". I'd be real pissed. Just to end it...realize you are way too stupid to make a claim that something was "obviously" idea theft. We have a patent office because numerous people come up with the same ideas independently.

I guess we should expand intellectual property rights to include photographic concepts. I mean, someone had to be the first to use a round colored filter on a book to create a heart. We should make such a photograph composition the sole proprietary idea of that one individual. All others are thieves. Anyone else who does it (regardless of discovering the idea on their own) should be penalized!

*sighs*

- Saj

12/09/2005 10:33:24 AM · #27
What Saj said, and to add:
this was a free study challenge: for me it meant picking on a subject that I have seen elsewhere and trying to study the technical aspects of it and replicate it. I do not think that any entry in a study-type challenge should be called on for copying. That for me was the idea of this challenge, and props to those that managed to be innovative at the same time.

I've seen 100s of photos like mine - taken from above where people are holding different crap, and I just changed what I was holding in it. Noone commented on it in that way.

But, if this were a "breaking new ground"-type challenge, then it could have been viewed differently. Trying to replicate something that was already done, could be rightfully construed as DNMC and scored down for it.

Message edited by author 2005-12-09 10:34:48.
12/09/2005 12:06:31 PM · #28
Originally posted by theSaj:

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

I would be totally shocked if the light bulb shot wasn't a direct copy.


Why, when I posted over half a dozen clipart and images of similar thought and idea.



You posted clip art of a light bulb and world concept. Big deal. The technical aspect of the shot was duplicated with an earth instead of a moon. I gave it a 4 based on it's photographic merits.
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Message edited by author 2005-12-09 12:06:47.
12/18/2005 05:05:49 AM · #29
Haha...sorry I have arrived late for the party...

Someone should have told me that there was a debate going on about one of my pictures...

I originally had it in my notes that I came up with the idea for the Earth Bulb picture myself...

I had the idea of doing something like this...I got the original Idea from a photo I saw that showed someone holding a can of spray paint in front of some clouds. I got some help from a couple of people on another forum I post one. They gave me the idea for the lightbulb saying that they saw one like it on the Canon forums....welllll...right before the challenge started I saw Scalverts. And I realized that it was the same one on the Canon boards that my friends were talking about...

So...It wasn't really a copy..well it was...but inadvertantly so. Anyway...I was happy how it finished and I knew that once the challenge started I was going get slammed...

Anyways...Scalverts is better than mine:P But ya gotta learn somehow eh?
12/18/2005 05:08:32 AM · #30
LOL... That's an interesting story :-)

R.
12/18/2005 05:14:02 AM · #31
I like how the OP never came back to react to any of the responses.

...oh, wait---

Really I thought it would be an interesting and useful discussion - I didn't have much of a strong opinion on it. Thanks to all who contributed.
12/18/2005 05:15:55 AM · #32
Originally posted by bear_music:

LOL... That's an interesting story :-)

R.


It's a small internet world eh?

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