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01/30/2006 11:44:59 PM · #1
My off-centered entry is sitting around 4.7. This is very disappointing for me as I feel quite attached to it, I have plenty of scores that were much lower but they deserved to be.

It seems every time I try to get a bit artistic here my submissions get hammered maybe my artistic style is not what I think it is.

Anyway Iím going to request a self DQ which I never thought I would ever do on any image but I just donít feel comfortable watching an image that I really like go down.

What I really want to know is what is the process and the ramifications, I believe there is something about a no other DQ for a certain period.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain this information?
01/30/2006 11:45:57 PM · #2
That's a nice way to chicken out, I'll tell you that.

A 4.7 -- heck, a 3.7 will look better on your record than a DQ.
01/30/2006 11:46:02 PM · #3
don't do it man! we've all been there before!
01/30/2006 11:47:08 PM · #4
I recommend turning off your score and waiting until the end of the week. Mondays are bad score days!
01/30/2006 11:47:32 PM · #5
It's not worth it...I say just stick it out, and if necessary just uncheck the option in preferences to display your score on the front page. That will help you keep your mind off it.
01/30/2006 11:48:49 PM · #6
Originally posted by keegbow:

Anyway Iím going to request a self DQ which I never thought I would ever do on any image but I just donít feel comfortable watching an image that I really like go down.

What I really want to know is what is the process and the ramifications, I believe there is something about a no other DQ for a certain period.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain this information?


A Self-DQ is same as any other DQ - you're not allowed to have a DQ in the past 25 submissions, and another DQ in the next 25 could result in suspension.

To request a self-DQ, use the same form as "Request a Admin Note" and write that you want to DQ it.

As others have said, its usually not advisable, but having gone through one myself, I understand the pain when a photograph you're attached to is getting trashed in voting.

01/30/2006 11:50:47 PM · #7
Well, I went non-artistic stock photo type kitsch, and I'm at a 5.3. Granted, that's no 4.7 but I dunno, I think it all depends on many more factors than we sometimes think about en situ. Look at the 4th place in signs...

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/437/thumb/282363.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/437/thumb/282363.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

I was so sure this was too outside the box to even get in the top 10. But I think the photo spoke to enough people on some level to overcome the DNMC crowd....

Though, off-centered should have been pretty open to interpretation, right? Of course, without knowing what the entry was... who knows.??

Maybe I should go vote on that now :O)
01/30/2006 11:52:13 PM · #8
Originally posted by deapee:

That's a nice way to chicken out, I'll tell you that.

A 4.7 -- heck, a 3.7 will look better on your record than a DQ.


I've got one of those 3.7. If this image was getting a 3.7 I wouldn't pull it and its not about a chicken out.
01/30/2006 11:53:06 PM · #9
From the rules:

Entries will not be disqualified for misinterpreting or failing to meet the challenge to which they are entered. Please do not request disqualification for these reasons, as such requests will not be considered.

You may request removal of your own photo, for any reason, if:
# You make the request during the voting period. Requests made after the close of voting typically will not be considered.
# There has been no rules violation and you have not been asked to submit proof on your entry. If you report a rules violation on your own entry or request removal after receiving a proof request, the request will be treated as a normal disqualification.
# None of your last 25 submissions have been disqualified or removed. Remember that subsequent DQs within the next 25 submissions may incur a penalty as set forth below.

If the validity of your submitted photograph comes into question, you may be asked to submit your original, unmodified photograph and steps to recreate your submitted photograph from your original photograph. This original photograph must contain valid, unaltered EXIF data. If you cannot (or do not) submit your original photo within 48 hours of the request, your photograph will be disqualified. In addition, your challenge submission privileges will be suspended until a response is received. The response may consist of a message indicating that you do not have the original.

In order to discourage repeated disqualifications and abuse of the disqualification system, the following penalties will apply for repeat disqualifications:
# 1st DQ in last 25 submissions: No penalty
# 2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges
# 3rd DQ in last 25 submissions: 2 week suspension of submission privileges
# 4th DQ in last 25 submissions: 4 week suspension of submission privileges and 3 months of required "pre-submission" of proof file.

The above penalties will be assessed only after review by the Admins and Site Council. In exceptional circumstances, the Site Council may elect not to apply a penalty. If a user is found by Site Council vote to have intentionally violated the Challenge Rules, the above penalties will be additional to any assessed for the violation itself. Site Council may also request proof on a random basis from any participant.
01/30/2006 11:54:53 PM · #10
Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by deapee:

That's a nice way to chicken out, I'll tell you that.

A 4.7 -- heck, a 3.7 will look better on your record than a DQ.


I've got one of those 3.7. If this image was getting a 3.7 I wouldn't pull it and its not about a chicken out.


It is about chickening out...just stick it out, man up, and take whatever you get. What's the problem then if it's not about chickening out?

EDIT:

chicken out:
Back out from fear, lose one's nerve, as in In the end I chickened out and took the easier route down the mountain. Chicken is a popular synonym for "cowardly," a usage arising in the 1600s and 1700s but then apparently abandoned until the 20th century. [Slang; c. 1930]

v : remove oneself from an obligation; "He bowed out when he heard how much work was involved" [syn: back off, pull out, back down, bow out]

--

I just call it like I see it.

Message edited by author 2006-01-30 23:57:46.
01/30/2006 11:58:48 PM · #11
get mine DQ'd as well its a real stinker !!!!!
Originally posted by keegbow:

My off-centered entry is sitting around 4.7. This is very disappointing for me as I feel quite attached to it, I have plenty of scores that were much lower but they deserved to be.

It seems every time I try to get a bit artistic here my submissions get hammered maybe my artistic style is not what I think it is.

Anyway Iím going to request a self DQ which I never thought I would ever do on any image but I just donít feel comfortable watching an image that I really like go down.

What I really want to know is what is the process and the ramifications, I believe there is something about a no other DQ for a certain period.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain this information?

01/31/2006 12:00:14 AM · #12
Off-Centered Subject II
Votes: 89
Views: 122
Avg Vote: 4.7640

It happens, there is always the next challenge.
01/31/2006 12:03:52 AM · #13
Taking bad scores on good photos is actually a good thing.

It has been said here before but it bears repeating. Certain styles do well here and some styles don't. Maybe you have a style that isn't necessarly DP Challenge perfect but that doesn't mean it is not a great photo or..more than likely..has elements of a great photo you can further refine for your own desire.

But going back to taking bad scores on good photos....it builds a certain amount of conviction. You will either agree with the votes and make changes or you will say "stick it!" and keep doing what you do only with even more conviction.

Adversity builds character in your style....

After the challenge, ask for input from other photographers and take what you can from that if you need the back and forth communication.

My Tribute photo is not doing as well as I would hope..about a 5..but I take what people comment about and think on it. I ahve agreed with some comments on some photos in the past but on this photo...the voters are wrong.

Not wrong about what they should like..wrong about what the photo should be. Not all photos are going to be stock style or fit the mainstream. It doesn't mean those photos should not be on display mainstream. The Metropolitan would be a boring place if it was all Norman Rockwell :-D
01/31/2006 01:51:39 AM · #14
Thank you for all of the constructive advice, I will not self DQ and its not because of the name calling. This thread that made me realise what I want to get out of this site.

I was upset when my image in the "image grain" challenge was getting a low score and still to this day believe it is the best image I have ever entered but the general public didn't so from now on it's about what makes me happy not the mass appeal.

Thanks everyone.
01/31/2006 02:22:28 AM · #15
you have some excellent shots in your portfolio and 4 ribbons...I cannot believe you would contemplate a disqualification on your resume'. you need to be brave enough to put your creativity out there and let it stand on its own merits without resorting to this kind of thing.

We ALL expect our pictures will get blue ribbons, but we have to be realistic...it's like the people who go on American/Australian idol and think they should win the competition only to make us think 'what are they thinking'. In your case, it's the opposite, you have had success and now you have to face up to a picture that isn't a stand out...we all have to do that.

When I get bad scores, it makes me want to improve and do better...not quit. Come on...keep your chin up and stop this nonsense!
01/31/2006 04:49:47 AM · #16
I am arguably the DPC Poster Child for "When Good Photographers Submit Doomed Images"; 4 of my last 10 entries finished in the 4's. And I've never even considered self-DQ. So chin up, bucko! How can our children grow strong if we don't let them play in the sun?

R.
01/31/2006 05:13:10 AM · #17
I agree, suck it up and wait. After enough of your entries, which you feel are good, are brutally beaten down by the DPC mob...you go numb to it. The pain just slips away.

Well I'm going to go cry now. :)
01/31/2006 07:30:20 AM · #18
Originally posted by hotpasta:

... I cannot believe you would contemplate a disqualification on your resume'. ...


If he hadn't gone public you would never know. A self-DQ just goes away like it never happened. It's not quite like a DQ that happens with a rule violation. With a rule violation the DQ'd image stays in your stats and is visible to anyone checking your profile page. With a self-DQ nothing is in your profile regarding that image at all.

Just an FYI for those that want to know "the rest of the story". Andy Rooney was cool wasn't he? ;^)
01/31/2006 07:44:32 AM · #19
Don't do it man. In the Road challenge I also wanted to DQ myself but I changed my mind. I started with a 3.62 and ended with 4.775. So you never know...
01/31/2006 07:51:35 AM · #20
Originally posted by Giorgio:

Don't do it man. In the Road challenge I also wanted to DQ myself but I changed my mind. I started with a 3.62 and ended with 4.775. So you never know...


George - I think he's already decided not to... ;^)

BTW. Where did you get your camera? I've not heard of Jendigital and looked it up (link to DPC equipment, then Pricegrabber) and nothing. Tried Jendigital, still nothing. Very unique piece of equipment - eh? ;^)
01/31/2006 07:58:51 AM · #21
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Giorgio:

Don't do it man. In the Road challenge I also wanted to DQ myself but I changed my mind. I started with a 3.62 and ended with 4.775. So you never know...


George - I think he's already decided not to... ;^)

BTW. Where did you get your camera? I've not heard of Jendigital and looked it up (link to DPC equipment, then Pricegrabber) and nothing. Tried Jendigital, still nothing. Very unique piece of equipment - eh? ;^)


It's just a little point&shoot camera which i'm proud of(until I get a dslr) :) .Anyway here is the link. You can find the model under Products/cameras...etc.

Message edited by author 2006-01-31 07:59:42.
01/31/2006 07:59:19 AM · #22
Originally posted by glad2badad:

BTW. Where did you get your camera? I've not heard of Jendigital and looked it up (link to DPC equipment, then Pricegrabber) and nothing. Tried Jendigital, still nothing. Very unique piece of equipment - eh? ;^)

I know this is going a little offtopic, but the JenDigital range is made by JenImage of Germany :o)
01/31/2006 08:09:20 AM · #23
Cool...thanks for the links. Was mostly curious as I hadn't heard of them before.

Ok. Back to bemoaning scores. ;^)
01/31/2006 08:19:57 AM · #24
I'm really kind of surprised at all the posters who are saying "don't do it" as if it were some morally decrepid act. There is nothing wrong with a self DQ and no stigma should be attached to it. There are as many reason as there are requesters, with a very low score being perhaps the most widely used. Self DQ is just one of the features that the site offers. It's painless and should be guiltless. Take advantage of it just as you do the update button, the forums, the tutorials, etc.

To the peolpe who are trying to make it out as sort of a negative thing to do I ask you why? What's wrong with using the self DQ feature?
01/31/2006 08:23:50 AM · #25
Originally posted by coolhar:


To the peolpe who are trying to make it out as sort of a negative thing to do I ask you why? What's wrong with using the self DQ feature?


Because I feel it is a negative thing. It's like "oh my score isn't high enough, I'm just going to give up"...I DQ'd one of my own shots for that reason, and it was the stupidest, chickenest thing I've ever done here...To this day, I don't have any idea why I felt the need to do it. Because to be honest, I don't care about a score -- I care about submitting something I thought was nice, or different, or creative, or would affect a couple people in a certain way.
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