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04/01/2008 02:36:50 AM · #1
Does Not Meet Challange
04/01/2008 02:34:14 AM · #2
What is a DNMC???????
01/14/2008 01:16:28 AM · #3
For any given challenge topic the best photos, and the most interesting responses will NOT be the ones that come immediately to mind. No matter how good the shot is, it will be better if it's both unexpected and apt.

And as soon as we give people any more power to decide what is and isn't apt, the great photos will be pushed further and further down by the mediocre, but obvious ones.
01/14/2008 12:40:41 AM · #4
edit: wrong thread oopps

Message edited by author 2008-01-14 00:41:09.
03/08/2006 05:07:56 AM · #5
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Falc:

Thats what I'm trying to argue, but this thread is suggesting that the site be changed to accommodate just such a constraint.

I see - well then I agree with you if you are saying "no change" and just let the voters decide. But you have to promise not to send rant mails to those that "don't get it" ;-)


I promise ;-)
03/08/2006 05:04:47 AM · #6
Originally posted by Falc:

Thats what I'm trying to argue, but this thread is suggesting that the site be changed to accommodate just such a constraint.

I see - well then I agree with you if you are saying "no change" and just let the voters decide. But you have to promise not to send rant mails to those that "don't get it" ;-)
03/08/2006 05:01:15 AM · #7
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Falc:

Here we go again - the literal thinkers trying to constrain us.

To each his own - nobody is trying to constrain you. Shoot & submit whatever you want and I'll vote however I want. What is the problem?


Thats what I'm trying to argue, but this thread is suggesting that the site be changed to accommodate just such a constraint.
03/08/2006 04:59:49 AM · #8
Originally posted by KiwiPix:

... What should not be happening is that we defend the status quo - because it clearly doesn't work. ...

And that is strictly your opinion. An observation. Not an absolute truth. For many of us the "status quo" regarding this subject is just fine.

DNMC is also highly subjective to personal opinion. Believe it or not, I am probably as irked by challenge entries that are plugged in that are just a pretty picture to be in the challenge as you are. Does it happen frequently? No.

This is a whole lot of hoopla over an item that really does not need to be controlled by complicating the voting process.
03/08/2006 04:34:19 AM · #9
Originally posted by Falc:

Here we go again - the literal thinkers trying to constrain us.

To each his own - nobody is trying to constrain you. Shoot & submit whatever you want and I'll vote however I want. What is the problem?
03/08/2006 04:29:20 AM · #10
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by blurbayou:

When I voted on that, after reading the title, "Colour Me Greed", I associated the color green with money. The fallen glass being a life destroyed with the obsession with money. I thought it fit the challenge quite well and gave it an 8. Thought it was very well done.


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Here we go again - the literal thinkers trying to constrain us.
Green has always been a metaphor jealousy so why not use it in a challenge with a theme of sin. - perfect fit for me. No shoehorn needed at all.
03/08/2006 03:14:01 AM · #11
Originally posted by blurbayou:

When I voted on that, after reading the title, "Colour Me Greed", I associated the color green with money. The fallen glass being a life destroyed with the obsession with money. I thought it fit the challenge quite well and gave it an 8. Thought it was very well done.


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03/08/2006 01:00:28 AM · #12
Originally posted by nlghttrain:

Wow I guess I should have known that this would be an explosive topic... but i wasnt really expecting it to go like this. All I was really trying to get accross was that with a photo like this one for example...
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I felt was a DNMC but i felt terrible giving it a low vote because of how stunning i felt it was. I just wish that I didnt have to lowball this shot just because i didnt feel it was an accurate representation of a sin. (I also dont want to single out IreneM but this was the 1st shot that came to mind)


When I voted on that, after reading the title, "Colour Me Greed", I associated the color green with money. The fallen glass being a life destroyed with the obsession with money. I thought it fit the challenge quite well and gave it an 8. Thought it was very well done.

Message edited by author 2006-03-08 01:01:01.
03/08/2006 12:39:18 AM · #13
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by nlghttrain:

I felt was a DNMC but i felt terrible giving it a low vote because of how stunning i felt it was.

Why feel terrible?? Leave comment saying it is a stunning shot but you don't get the challenge connection.

I'd feel worse knowing I gave someone an undeserving higher score and potentially knocked someone else down a place or two who actually followed the challenge topic.


I concur. 100%.

Message edited by author 2006-03-08 00:40:27.
03/08/2006 12:30:38 AM · #14
Originally posted by nlghttrain:

I felt was a DNMC but i felt terrible giving it a low vote because of how stunning i felt it was.

Why feel terrible?? Leave comment saying it is a stunning shot but you don't get the challenge connection.

I'd feel worse knowing I gave someone an undeserving higher score and potentially knocked someone else down a place or two who actually followed the challenge topic.
03/08/2006 12:19:22 AM · #15
Wow I guess I should have known that this would be an explosive topic... but i wasnt really expecting it to go like this. All I was really trying to get accross was that with a photo like this one for example...
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I felt was a DNMC but i felt terrible giving it a low vote because of how stunning i felt it was. I just wish that I didnt have to lowball this shot just because i didnt feel it was an accurate representation of a sin. (I also dont want to single out IreneM but this was the 1st shot that came to mind)
03/07/2006 11:44:26 PM · #16
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by dhumann1:

The solution...Add an independent check box...


And when you check the box, this image is displayed in the comments box:
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;-)


There you go. Just think of the royalties earn every time that imaged popped up.

Message edited by author 2006-03-07 23:48:25.
03/07/2006 10:25:28 PM · #17
Originally posted by DrGee:

... if a picture does not meet the challenge but you still think it's a great picture and you want the photographer to know it, why not just leave a comment saying so and vote on the challenge?

I agree with your comments and sentiments (echoed by many others) that the current system should work. It should. We know that in practice it unforunately doesn't happen - otherwise threads like this wouldn't exist. Two key factors have emerged from this thread in defense of the status quo...

1) "That's what the comments box is for"
Voters do not comment. From the stats of the last 10 challenges, this is the percentage of comments per vote...

Odd Couple................5.1%
Duotones II.................3.4%
Fashion.......................5.0%
Heart............................5.3%
The 80s.......................4.9%
7 Deadly Sins............4.8%
7 Heavenly Virtues....5.6%
Country Life................4.4%
Your Shadow.............4.1%
Broken II.....................3.8%

Result = As much as we'd like it to happen it doesn't work for this purpose, voters generally don't comment. That's why we have so many post-challenge threads from entrants asking why their entry bombed. They clearly have no idea from the system in place presently.

2) "The Voters will interpret the image and DNMC values correctly"
As we have shown from the Sheep vs People results, this doesn't happen correctly. Despite all the protestations, the nay-sayers have not come up with an explanation or fix for this situation.

Result = The current system works to a point but allows grossly unfair results. We should therefore explore fair and equitable ways of addressing this.

These are the two main arguments against any change. They are honestly and vehemently defended. Yet when statistically tested, they are both shown in practice to not do what their defenders say they will. So yes, they should solve the problems but they don't.

Therefore someone came up with this idea that will address these issues easily and constructively. If there are any others, they should be debated also. What should not be happening is that we defend the status quo - because it clearly doesn't work.

Brett
03/07/2006 08:43:58 PM · #18
I don't see what the big deal is... if a picture does not meet the challenge but you still think it's a great picture and you want the photographer to know it, why not just leave a comment saying so and vote on the challenge? After a couple of comments like those, the photographer will get the idea, no need for a separate score.

As for voting, I don't care how great a picture is, if I don't see how it could possibly relate to the topic of the challenge (taking into account different points of view) then I don't think it deserves a better score than a picture that is not perfect but at the same time the photographer found a creative way of showing his interpretation of the challenge. I vote accordingly and if it happens to be that my interpretation is the one that's out of line then other votes will cancel it out. I could take a picture of anything and claim that my opinion is that it meets the criteria of any challenge, so there has to be some sort of limit.

When participating in a challenge, the hardest part for me is not taking the picture but "finding" the picture and I think that's what the challenge (and the score) is all about. Thus, having a voting system based primarily on anything else wouldn't make sense. If people don't think an entry meets the challenge then they can vote accordingly and leave a comment about how good the quality of the picture is. I think that's fair and the photographer will get the idea.
03/07/2006 08:41:23 PM · #19
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by dhumann1:

The solution...Add an independent check box...


And when you check the box, this image is displayed in the comments box:
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/28742/thumb/290377.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/28742/thumb/290377.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

;-)


and also temporarily replace you profile photo for the duration of the voting period, LOL !!!
03/07/2006 08:20:12 PM · #20
Originally posted by dhumann1:

The solution...Add an independent check box...


And when you check the box, this image is displayed in the comments box:
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/28742/thumb/290377.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/28742/thumb/290377.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

;-)
03/07/2006 08:15:35 PM · #21
Originally posted by juliagulia:

was that last comment directed to yourself?


LOL
If it wasn't it could have been.

Not meaning to be a jerk just practicing for amateur night at the smart alecks club.
03/07/2006 08:06:55 PM · #22
The solution to this problem seems simple to me.

Add an independent check box to the voting line that only tallies the amount of voters that believe the image DNMC, like the one for this Comment was Helpful. The use of this check box should have no effect on the final score. This would keep the voter anonymous and give entrants in a challenge an idea as to why they scored the way they did.
03/07/2006 08:05:56 PM · #23
was that last comment directed to yourself?
03/07/2006 08:02:16 PM · #24
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by nards656:

...This is totally getting ridiculous, as usual.


Your post may not have helped...


Wasn't my intention to help, sir. I was expressing my viewpoint, just as you were expressing yours. We both have a right to a viewpoint. Mine is that all these proposed rule changes to help some small segment of the DPC membership be more successful relative to scores is a pursuit in fallacy, and comparing the rules to a crooked judge is very inappropriate. Your use of the description in the context of "American" also walked on my nerves considering your Canadian location. I consider your analogy to be totally inappropriate and incorrect, and I believe I am given the right here to express that.

Especially since this is all based on an assumption that SOMEONE on the site votes pictures lower than they should for not meeting the challenge. I've seen no empirical data even SUPPORTING that allegation, let alone proving it. In other words, it's totally possible that we are tilting at windmills here, yet we're all up in arms about it, in the same fashion that we pop up on our proverbial soapboxes about supposed trolls.

My ridiculous comment was directed at the fact that some folks simply seem to need to be part of some controversy in order to exist. If there's not one, they'll make one.
03/07/2006 08:01:28 PM · #25
Originally posted by nards656:


This is a very inappropriate comparison. The entire PURPOSE of the voters at DPC is to decide which photo meets the challenge in the best possible fashion.


Cool!! I can just take a crappy picture that is completely off topic and have it get a 10 then?!?!?!!

If I had just known before that actual photographic skill was not a requirement also, I'd have started getting blue ribbons long ago!!

Let me go find that cell phone camera.... yay!
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