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07/31/2003 03:20:35 PM · #1
121 and 101 votes on two challenge entries and not a single comment!

As much as I appreciate NOT getting the derogatory and snide ones....
It doesn't help much to not get ANY..

Is this a trend?
07/31/2003 03:46:35 PM · #2
Originally posted by sslickk:

121 and 101 votes on two challenge entries and not a single comment!

As much as I appreciate NOT getting the derogatory and snide ones....
It doesn't help much to not get ANY..

Is this a trend?


I don't know that it is a trend but I have found that the number of comments, both useful and not, has tapered off a lot lately (unless you enter a controversial photo everyone hates).

Shari
07/31/2003 04:19:41 PM · #3
hmmm....
that's not good...

Seems most of the comments are ending up on the boards and not w/the photos.

oh well


07/31/2003 05:02:19 PM · #4
it really varies from contest to contest and week to week.

it also has alot to do with how many entries there are to vote on, how early it is in the week, and what your score is (most often higher scoring shots get more comments, as do ones that provoke a strong reaction in people).


07/31/2003 05:13:51 PM · #5
Originally posted by magnetic9999:

it really varies from contest to contest and week to week.

it also has alot to do with how many entries there are to vote on, how early it is in the week, and what your score is (most often higher scoring shots get more comments, as do ones that provoke a strong reaction in people).


Ok,,,
That does make sense.
One of the ones I'm talking about is my "fill the frame" shot. 5.3+ (which is my best average to date! yay) 102 votes and no comments..

I find it very perplexing.

I realize I don't leave a lot of comments.. unless something really moves me. But... I'm not an accomplished photographer and don't feel comfortable critiquing yet.

Ah well... I'll just keep checking the request to the critique board....
07/31/2003 05:49:34 PM · #6
Originally posted by shareinnc:

Originally posted by sslickk:

121 and 101 votes on two challenge entries and not a single comment!

As much as I appreciate NOT getting the derogatory and snide ones....
It doesn't help much to not get ANY..

Is this a trend?


I don't know that it is a trend but I have found that the number of comments, both useful and not, has tapered off a lot lately (unless you enter a controversial photo everyone hates).

Shari


I find every comment is helpful in some way. If what a person says doesn't help you take better pictures then that comment at least gives you an insight to what the voter is looking for in a winning photograph. ;)
07/31/2003 06:04:10 PM · #7
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I find every comment is helpful in some way. If what a person says doesn't help you take better pictures then that comment at least gives you an insight to what the voter is looking for in a winning photograph. ;)[/quote]

True enough..

While winning or placing would be swell,, I'm pretty sure that won't happen in this life time!


Hey, maybe thats my theme for the next challenge,, The future... my photo with a blue ribbon! <G>

I tend to see things in a way that is either disturbing or so out of left field no one gets it. I've actually had a physcologist come up and hand me her card and tell me that when I'm ready to seek help she would be glad to help me. This was at a fine craft show where I was exhibiting my glasswork..

Message edited by author 2003-07-31 18:04:57.
07/31/2003 06:38:17 PM · #8
Originally posted by sslickk:

I realize I don't leave a lot of comments.. unless something really moves me. But... I'm not an accomplished photographer and don't feel comfortable critiquing yet.


I was going to make this observation myself. You have commented on less than 1 in 100 votes yourself, but received 1 comment per 20 votes received.

Please don't feel that you aren't "qualified" to comment. Comments are simply observations - they can be as simple as "I'm glad you took this photo on a sunny day" or "great title".

Having said that, I agree that the number of comments is declining. We often have three challenges in the voting stage at any one time now and it's becoming increasingly hard to vote on a good number of entries and find time for comments. I only enter every few weeks simply because I don't have the time to commit every week.
07/31/2003 06:46:08 PM · #9
The reason is of my belief that if there are many entries in a Challenge then people have to vote on so many pictures for their votes to count that they don't bother with looking better at the pictures to comment on them. This has sometimes happened to me. If they would perhaps set limits to entries to a competition? 150-200? Then it might produce more comments but also more frustrations from members that cannot post their entry. hmmm.
07/31/2003 06:50:58 PM · #10
Originally posted by conceptgraphics:


I find every comment is helpful in some way. If what a person says doesn't help you take better pictures then that comment at least gives you an insight to what the voter is looking for in a winning photograph. ;)


After the last several challenges and definitely with fill the frame and garden, I have no idea what the voters want and to be honest, I don't care anymore.

Not to go off on a total rant here, but honestly, I get tired of folks here telling me I suck when other, valid review groups (not just friends and family, I'm talking clients who buy my prints and Kodak POTD) tell me otherwise. Let's face it, my Kodak POTD wasn't even considered good enough to get on the "featured" section of dpcprints...I'm not going to win here.

My significant other has suggested, in rather strong words, that I take a break from here. He's tired of seeing me upset over the comments, lack thereof, and dismal scores. I'm tired of it too. I'm off to unsubmit my photo for "movies." If anyone wanted to see Jaws, let me know. Otherwise, you likely won't see anything from me in challenges for some time.

Shari
07/31/2003 07:05:38 PM · #11
Not to put too fine a point on it Shari - from your profile:

Comments:
Made: 98

Helpful: 76

Received: 247

In 24 challenges.

On what grounds are you complaining exactly?

ed
07/31/2003 07:11:18 PM · #12
Okay, let me make the same points. I don't feel I get enough comments, and I had to take a break, as well, because I just don't get what people are looking for, in part because I don't get enough comments.

I decided I'd come back anyhow, and lo. I have 128 votes and 0 comments. Granted, my ave score is higher than the last few entries, which helps me stay calm about it, but yes, I agree that the people on this site are a) much stricter than elsewhere and b) not very forthcoming as to why.

I was not actually going to complain except people want to make a big deal about who the complaints are coming from. Now someone can get on my case for not being around very long, I suppose -- though I did look through a lot of the archives before I entered even one picture -- but you aren't going to be able to ding ME on comments given. :)

So, will you concede now there may be a point to the frustration?

Edit: let me save you a user lookup:

Comments:
Made: 518
Helpful: 361
Received: 37

(The received's slightly higher, of course, due to the weird counting bug that crops up there, but not by much.)

I haven't started commenting on the current round I'm voting on yet.

Message edited by author 2003-07-31 19:14:58.
07/31/2003 07:16:03 PM · #13
Originally posted by e301:

Not to put too fine a point on it Shari - from your profile:

Comments:
Made: 98

Helpful: 76

Received: 247

In 24 challenges.

On what grounds are you complaining exactly?

ed


Thanks for making this unnecessarily personal. I wasn't complaining about the commenting, just came into the discussion agreeing that there seemed to be a trend and that the trend was fewer comments. My last comment was directed to the idea that comments might help us figure out what the voters here want.

Maybe I just need to take a break away from here completely...screw the money I paid for my membership and stay the heck away from the petty crap I have found in many of the online photography groups...probably not a bad idea. I'll have to decide if I want that...but at this point, I'll concede that I do.

I have no grounds to complain, I don't make enough comments. I suck as a photographer and can't manage to even put together light and electronics well enough to garner a passable and "average" score here. Screw it.

Shari
07/31/2003 07:39:20 PM · #14
sometimes an image may be well executed, but doesn't really strike you, so you have nothing to say. or you could be like me and feel like you've offered enough unneccesary, and unhelpful?, comments for the day and stopped. hehe.

haven't been here long, but if you want more comments, seems a lot of people just create threads to get further comments.
07/31/2003 07:56:22 PM · #15
[sarcasm]Here's a possible entry for the 'Trends' challenge, a photo of a thread about the lack of or quality of comments.[/sarcasm]

I couldn't resist.


I will now duck under the desk for safety.
07/31/2003 07:58:07 PM · #16
Could just be it's summer and there's a lot more to do outside compared to sitting inside commenting on photos.

Message edited by author 2003-07-31 20:08:39.
07/31/2003 08:24:05 PM · #17
I am pretty new here, but I have no complaint about the number or quality of the comments. I have only entered 3 challenges, but recieved 21, 17, 25 comments for each image. Many of them with useful feedback.

Are you all used to recieving 30+ comments per image??? or have I just been lucky so far?
08/01/2003 12:06:05 AM · #18
Originally posted by sslickk:

121 and 101 votes on two challenge entries and not a single comment!

As much as I appreciate NOT getting the derogatory and snide ones....
It doesn't help much to not get ANY..

Is this a trend?


It is still early. I have not completed my voting.
I had a challenge where I only had 2 out of 92 pic entered and there was more than 92 people that voted. Just accept what you can get. Not everyone is a commentor.
08/01/2003 12:28:12 AM · #19
Originally posted by brettd:

I am pretty new here, but I have no complaint about the number or quality of the comments. I have only entered 3 challenges, but recieved 21, 17, 25 comments for each image. Many of them with useful feedback.

Are you all used to recieving 30+ comments per image??? or have I just been lucky so far?


4 challenges, 14, 21, 16, 15 comments. No complaints. I've also made 260-odd in that time. No complaints.

How can people take this personally when no-one knows who is being commented on until *after* the voting has ended?

Probably, if someone posts a cliched, banal, overdone, poorly executed shot, it won't get many comments because a) people don't like to criticise in general, and b) the low vote on the photo is deemed to be enough criticism.

The top 3 entries for Trends got 38, 31 and 25 comments during voting.

Also, please comment even if you feel that you're only a beginner. I am, too, but it's through the interaction of everyone that we learn. We can always ignore comments if we don't like them.
08/01/2003 12:32:32 AM · #20
This is my third challenge and things are going better than I really expected... 145 votes, 9 comments and just above 5.1 which is not bad considering the number of -great- entries and the fact that I am a total novice. I'll be happy to make it to the top 100 (hopefully) :-)

From the 9 comments 8 have been helpful and the one that has not been makes the remark 'no flower as the main subject' where in fact there is not a single flower in my picture... Any way... it's part of the fun!

08/01/2003 12:54:17 AM · #21
Originally posted by shareinnc:


After the last several challenges and definitely with fill the frame and garden, I have no idea what the voters want and to be honest, I don't care anymore.

Not to go off on a total rant here, but honestly, I get tired of folks here telling me I suck when other, valid review groups (not just friends and family, I'm talking clients who buy my prints and Kodak POTD) tell me otherwise. Let's face it, my Kodak POTD wasn't even considered good enough to get on the "featured" section of dpcprints...I'm not going to win here.

My significant other has suggested, in rather strong words, that I take a break from here. He's tired of seeing me upset over the comments, lack thereof, and dismal scores. I'm tired of it too. I'm off to unsubmit my photo for "movies." If anyone wanted to see Jaws, let me know. Otherwise, you likely won't see anything from me in challenges for some time.
Shari


So what your saying here is that dpc doesn't like your photos and POTD does? Does POTD help you get better??? I don't thinks so. If you stick around and not only listen to the critiques people give you but also read the critiques on other photos...you will get better. Trust me, you will get better. I know it can be frustrating at times, but hang in there.
Oh ya...if you think your photos are the best then you will never get better. Just a thought!
08/01/2003 07:22:55 AM · #22
Originally posted by Sonifo:


So what your saying here is that dpc doesn't like your photos and POTD does? Does POTD help you get better??? I don't thinks so. If you stick around and not only listen to the critiques people give you but also read the critiques on other photos...you will get better. Trust me, you will get better. I know it can be frustrating at times, but hang in there.
Oh ya...if you think your photos are the best then you will never get better. Just a thought!


I'll start at the beginning...Yes, my photography was good enough to be a POTD, but not even good enough to get "featured" at DPCPrints. Do I learn from POTD, probably not, but I do learn from other places like other online photography groups(where I've recently won monthly challenges) and through photographers I know personally. I never said I didn't learn anything here... what I said was I was tired of trying to guess what the voters here want and tired of investing myself in a photograph only to have the voters tell me I suck.

I also NEVER said I thought my "photos are[sic] the best." What I said was "I get tired of folks here telling me I suck when other, valid review groups... tell me otherwise." I am now and have always been a "lifetime learner." I always look for opportunities to learn. I've finally been able to make contact with my local camera club and intend to take the next photography classes offered by my college if they'll fit my schedule. I DO listen to those comments that address technical issues and make adjustments appropriately (if it is within my power...those of you who have commented on the yellow cast of light in my indoor shots, I can tell you that I've done everything within my financial ability to correct for the cruddy lighting in my living room, but that's as good as my "studio" can get right now). I've also participated in technical discussions at the dpcfanatics chat room and learned a great deal about techniques and put those techniques into practice (thank you Gordon for the discussion on backgrounds...I still remember that each time I frame a shot--despite the pier bisecting the heads of my "summer love" shot).

I guess the thing is that lately I'm not learning much on technique here, but I am learning how petty and closed-minded people can be in this community. Photography isn't my job, it's what I do to eleviate the stress related to my job. It's what I do because I like to create and this kind of creation doesn't hurt my hands (I used to design crochet patterns and jewelry...thanks to arthritis I cannot do either anymore). It's more than "just" a hobby because if I take the time to press the shutter and capture something, I've invested a part of myself in that shot. If I further take the time to work with the little bit of post processing I do, I've invested more of myself in that shot. The consistent chorus of "you suck" I hear from this site isn't worth my emotional investment anymore. Know why? I don't suck. I'm not a professional photographer; I'm not Ansel Adams. I am not the world's answer to photographic beauty, but I do take nice pictures that bring me pleasure and that I have sold to clients and shared with friends and family.

DPC isn't the end all and be all of photography, despite the attitude some folks have about it. There ARE other ways and places to learn and to receive feedback. I suppose I need to just move on. I'm sure a lot of folks will see this post, shake their head, call me a whiner and never again read anything I have to say. So be it.
08/01/2003 08:00:12 AM · #23
Well, Shari, reading your post, i'm struck by the question "what do you want us to do? "

It's not like people *want* to vote down your pictures. It's not like people even know which pictures are yours. It's a totally anonymous process, so no one is singling you out in particular.

On top of that, not all pictures get bad scores - again anonymously. So there has to be something going on that's setting your shots apart. Can it be analysed and understood? Probably ..

But if you feel frustrated and like you can't get ahead and you want to quit, I don't understand what the point is of making a big public statement about it? Again, what would you expect us to do about it? WE DON'T KNOW WHICH PICS ARE YOURS DURING VOTING .

If you don't want to play here anymore, don't. Or do. Or take a break. But I don't see what long tirades like this are supposed to accomplish.
08/01/2003 08:10:48 AM · #24
Shareinnc,

I've just finished scanning your photos and comments. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't seem to locate a "You Suck" in any of your photos. The majority of the comments are positive and complimentary.

As to the coloring of your shots, you don't have to spend a penny to correct the color casts. Your Sony 717 has the ability to adjust it's white balance. To correct for the "cruddy lighting in my living room" read the manual on pointing the camera at a white piece of paper and storing the new white balance (it is a point and push a button procedure that's really quite simple and even more effective on the 717). This should remove the color casts from other shots done in that lighting. An inexpensive source of knowledge on the 707/717 can be located here: Sony 707/717 EBook
It also has the equivalent of optical filters that you can set the color balance with your camera which doesn't cost a cent. Perhaps this may help with the lighting problems you seem to be encountering.

Hope this helps. . .
08/01/2003 08:55:14 AM · #25
Originally posted by shareinnc:

Let's face it, my Kodak POTD wasn't even considered good enough to get on the "featured" section of dpcprints...I'm not going to win here.

Hi

I just put this on my Bio page might as well rant here

"Persons of high self-esteem are not driven to make themselves superior to others; they do not seek to prove their value by measuring themselves against a comparative standard. Their joy is being who they are, not in being better than someone else."

I like your work - for whatever it counts

Tarique


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