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03/22/2006 04:45:00 PM · #76
Originally posted by Kaizer:


Not sure I understand the difference. I quote Tom Ang (Digital photographer's handbook 2004 pg 126) "For a low key portrait, all that is often required is low angle sidelighting, and enough underexposure to shift mid-tones into shadow areas."


That was actually published! ... good grief. I left a pretty detailed description in the Low Key thread, so I won't re-post it. But low-key is neither under-exposed or high contrast. It is simply a lighting technique that emphasizes the highlighted areas of the photo.

Contrary to popular belief low-key is quite normal in exposure and contrast.
03/22/2006 04:46:40 PM · #77
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03/22/2006 04:48:41 PM · #78
Originally posted by Alienyst:

Votes: 60
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Avg Vote: 6.6833
Comments: 5


NICE!
03/22/2006 04:55:38 PM · #79
must be a fluke...I just was checking scores while waiting to leave for the hospital...was shocked actually.
03/22/2006 04:56:54 PM · #80
I don't think so most of us have been taking a beating!
03/22/2006 05:41:36 PM · #81
WTG Alienyst!

I'm not faring quite so well...

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03/22/2006 06:05:34 PM · #82
Thanks Jimmy! Just finished eating, on my way to hospital, checked scores again and I guess I jinxed it - now down to 6.5889
03/22/2006 06:09:19 PM · #83
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Kaizer:


Not sure I understand the difference. I quote Tom Ang (Digital photographer's handbook 2004 pg 126) "For a low key portrait, all that is often required is low angle sidelighting, and enough underexposure to shift mid-tones into shadow areas."


That was actually published! ... low-key is neither under-exposed or high contrast. It is simply a lighting technique that emphasizes the highlighted areas of the photo.

Contrary to popular belief low-key is quite normal in exposure and contrast.

Because this is a learning site we tend to get hung up on symantics, like we do in many challenges, and that may be what is happening here.

What fotoman_forever is saying is absolutely correct but what the book said is true to. You need to understand that fundamentally low-key means there is a broad range of tonality on the left side of histogram in the shadows, but not on the right side in the highlights. The left side will have a fairly high number of pixels spread throughout the whole range of shadows. The right side will have only narrow spikes. The image therefore is properly exposed, it simply lacks any tonality on the highlights side of the histogram.

The highlight, or right side of the histogram of a typical low-key image will have a few well defined spikes in it. That is what I believe fotoman_forever is talking about when he says, "a lighting technique that emphasizes the highlighted areas". In other words, there are highlights but there is little or no tonality in them at all. You see it all the time in low-key where an image has bright, well defined edges but no highlight tones.

The most important ingredient of low-key is a full range of tones on the left side of the histogram, sometimes with spikes but those spikes generally occur on the far left side. That means you see a lot of detail in the shadows and maybe some very strong near-black tones. That makes a low-key image look "powerful" and that is why it is sometimes used in male portraits. That is also, I believe, what is meant in the book where it says, "...shift mid-tones into shadow areas." You are taking mid-tones and shifting them left. What is important to remember is that tonality in low-key images is in the shadows regardless how it gets there. In the camera that can be as simple as metering just off a very bright area of a scene to create bright edges and capture shadow tones.

This is where low-key differs from "underexposed". Underexposed images are low contrast, lack tonality and often have no true highlights or shadows. Looking at their histogram you would see spikes on the left side with large gaps between where there are no pixels at all. That is because they lack shadow tonality. Some might argue that "underexposed" images are low-key and they may even be right but, lacking tones, they just aren't very good low-key images. :)
03/22/2006 06:39:38 PM · #84
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for some reason it keeps going up. my highest so far!
03/22/2006 06:43:13 PM · #85
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low key? worth a 4.5?
03/22/2006 06:44:44 PM · #86
Originally posted by rob_franklin:

Votes: 65
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Avg Vote: 6.6923
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for some reason it keeps going up. my highest so far!

I predict your next vote makes it go up even more. :)

Message edited by author 2006-03-22 19:04:09.
03/22/2006 06:45:40 PM · #87
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

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low key? worth a 4.5?


Looks like you are spiking too hard on the dark side. You have to be losing detail.
03/22/2006 06:47:30 PM · #88
I'm not doing so well either, I'm at a 4.7. Its my first entry with my new camera but its no biggie. I think I didn't do the technique correctly either.

Learning experience all around!

Water II now.. that will hopefully be a different story. :)
03/22/2006 06:52:44 PM · #89
My score has been on a pretty steady decline since this morning. I liked it better this morning. Can we just do a system restore back to that point?

No?

Well, 'twas worth a try....
03/22/2006 06:56:59 PM · #90
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

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low key? worth a 4.5?

Based on the histogram this has a lot of pixels down near black but few anywhere else. From a pure graphical standpoint one would expect to see that same even distribution of pixels to the right of the major left-hand side spikes but with higher values up to the mid-tones where it would trail off. You would expect to see a few tall spikes in the highlights area.

Your image probably just looks very dark to most viewers. The tones in shadows exist but are very weak, particualy toward the mid-tones and there are no highlight spikes to give it strong definition.

But I suspect that content is affecting voters more than anything. ;) LOL!

Btw... yours is doing better than my entry in "education" did and I thought mine was pretty darned good! :)
03/22/2006 07:04:30 PM · #91
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

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low key? worth a 4.5?

Based on the histogram this has a lot of pixels down near black but few anywhere else. From a pure graphical standpoint one would expect to see that same even distribution of pixels to the right of the major left-hand side spikes but with higher values up to the mid-tones where it would trail off. You would expect to see a few tall spikes in the highlights area.

Your image probably just looks very dark to most viewers. The tones in shadows exist but are very weak, particualy toward the mid-tones and there are no highlight spikes to give it strong definition.

But I suspect that content is affecting voters more than anything. ;) LOL!

Btw... yours is doing better than my entry in "education" did and I thought mine was pretty darned good! :)


More of a science than an art then isn't it :) My first comment was 'nice' the second was more thorough and brought up the overexposed area. with about a third of the image being a black bakground I guess this messes with the histogram slightly? looks ok on my monitor colourwise and can see deatail in the shadows.
03/22/2006 07:16:12 PM · #92
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by rob_franklin:

Votes: 65
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Avg Vote: 6.6923
Comments: 4

for some reason it keeps going up. my highest so far!

I predict your next vote makes it go up even more. :)


Good Prediction!

Votes: 66
Views: 95
Avg Vote: 6.7121
Comments: 4
03/22/2006 07:39:00 PM · #93
Originally posted by posthumous:

oh yeah, mine is shining... like a polished turd!


Rikki seems to recommend PAM to give his fruit a nice gloss look. Perhaps it will do the same thing for you?? ;)
03/22/2006 07:49:16 PM · #94
Ouch Quit It!

EDIT: My Score

Message edited by author 2006-03-22 19:49:51.
03/22/2006 08:11:07 PM · #95
Originally posted by rob_franklin:

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by rob_franklin:

Votes: 65
Views: 93
Avg Vote: 6.6923
Comments: 4

for some reason it keeps going up. my highest so far!

I predict your next vote makes it go up even more. :)


Good Prediction!

Votes: 66
Views: 95
Avg Vote: 6.7121
Comments: 4

That upward trend ain't over yet. Give it three or four more votes.

Message edited by author 2006-03-22 20:12:12.
03/22/2006 08:18:20 PM · #96
Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by rob_franklin:

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by rob_franklin:

Votes: 65
Views: 93
Avg Vote: 6.6923
Comments: 4

for some reason it keeps going up. my highest so far!

I predict your next vote makes it go up even more. :)


Good Prediction!

Votes: 66
Views: 95
Avg Vote: 6.7121
Comments: 4

That upward trend ain't over yet. Give it three or four more votes.


then what?!

i dont like getting my hopes up only for it to go back down...

haha
03/22/2006 08:22:48 PM · #97

I was sitting at a nice 6.7 earlier! :(

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Updated: 03/22/06 08:20 pm


03/22/2006 08:28:42 PM · #98
Ok I'm a little dissapointed, this is my first challenge and I have had 67 votes with an adverge of 3.8 - BUT NO ONE HAS LEFT ANY COMMENTS!!!! I want to improve, I thought this shot was a little better than 3.8 - but how can I improve if the 67 people that have voted on it so far have not left comments??? They voted on it for a reason, wether it be high or low, good or bad, the had a thought about it - so why not share it with me???

03/22/2006 08:40:06 PM · #99
Originally posted by lazyislandkat:

Ok I'm a little dissapointed, this is my first challenge and I have had 67 votes with an adverge of 3.8 - BUT NO ONE HAS LEFT ANY COMMENTS!!!! I want to improve, I thought this shot was a little better than 3.8 - but how can I improve if the 67 people that have voted on it so far have not left comments??? They voted on it for a reason, wether it be high or low, good or bad, the had a thought about it - so why not share it with me???


Katya,

Some people go through and vote, then come back and comment. I can't imagine that you will go without any comments. My methodology is to go through and vote, leaving the occasional comment. I later go back and comment on anything that I voted less than a 4. Depending upon time, I try to comment on some 4's and 5's, because I generally score in the 5's with very few comments.
03/22/2006 08:44:05 PM · #100
Originally posted by lazyislandkat:

Ok I'm a little dissapointed, this is my first challenge and I have had 67 votes with an adverge of 3.8 - BUT NO ONE HAS LEFT ANY COMMENTS!!!! I want to improve, I thought this shot was a little better than 3.8 - but how can I improve if the 67 people that have voted on it so far have not left comments??? They voted on it for a reason, wether it be high or low, good or bad, the had a thought about it - so why not share it with me???


It's hard to get comments during voting. Voters are scared to leave negative feedback. After the challenge is over, post the entry in the forums and ask for honest feedback on what you did wrong. This is the best way to get feedback and learn.
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