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03/22/2006 08:46:36 PM · #101
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

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low key? worth a 4.5?


Looks like you are spiking too hard on the dark side. You have to be losing detail.


Maybe, but when you process your photo, does that histogram really matter? In other wortds if you darken/lighten or what ever you do to the shot, would it not take graph and move in different directions?

I ask, because I really dont know.
03/22/2006 08:47:11 PM · #102
Originally posted by Makka:

I was sitting at a nice 6.7 earlier! :(

Votes: 72
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Avg Vote: 6.0694
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Updated: 03/22/06 08:20 pm


Ouch! dont feel bad. I've gone from a 6.444 earlier today to 6.0xxx

mark
03/22/2006 08:55:21 PM · #103
Originally posted by Riggs:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

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Maybe, but when you process your photo, does that histogram really matter? In other wortds if you darken/lighten or what ever you do to the shot, would it not take graph and move in different directions?


I'd hate to make a judgement on his photo based purely on the histogram, but when I see a fairly wide spike at the low end of the histogram, I immediately think that a lot of data is being clipped and detail is being lost.
03/22/2006 09:20:36 PM · #104
I must say there are some really wonderful shots in this challenge--but many of them are not low key. In fact, I lowered my score given a lot by voting on 100%. I don't know if people didn't understand what low key is, or just wanted to enter a challenge, but I don't think I have seen a challenge with so many DNMC entries (and I don't think you have to be a DNMC nazi to agree with me).
03/22/2006 09:34:08 PM · #105
I don't know about any of you, but I interpreted the challenge based on my own observations of pictures. I took into account the B&W as well as the color ones posted in the thread. I had some idea of what Low key meant before shooting from having read about it previously a bit.

From my understanding, this is a very strong type of picture which definitively both has a very clear subject as well as uses light very dramatically to bring it out (both in the case of broad subjects like sunsets and landscapes and small single subjects like flowers and other things). There is often heavy use of negative space and shadows to amplify the effect of your lighting. Shadowy areas will be dark (aka underexposed), but lit areas should be lit well enough to see detail (probably the biggest area where my picture is failing, but I knew that when I submitted... equipment insufficiencies in my lighting).

Artistically, the main draw of the picture should make you think about the light, or primary subject, not just about darkness. Perhaps about their balance or relationships.

As such, I did not feel that I needed to follow the exact terms laid out by the historograms, so I neither used them in voting, nor in making my own entry. I think I'm pretty safe though in my definition regardless.

Low Key involves special lighting, not simply underexposing a picture with normal lighting.

This would NOT include snaps of your sister in broad daylight or pictures of the ocean at 9:00 am without the use of any filters.

That Tom Ang reference mentioned using a side light, but he also said that that is "often what is needed". Many lighting styles can be used to achieve this effect.

I even cut a bit of slack where the lit subject occupied a larger area of the frame (and therefore historogram) because I felt that what was important here was the lighting. Using a careful amount of light to bring something out of darkness.

This isn't textbook, and it's only my opinion, but I cant' be so far off...

I spent 4 hours voting (including 45 minutes to vote on 3 images due to the sluggish site problem THANKS FOR FIXING THAT SO QUICKLY!) and commented on around 16% of the images. In cases where a subject was not clearly defined by the lighting, I played with my screen brightness and looked at my LCD from different angles (I've got one of those weird LCD's that you can view from an angle and detect pixels with a light value of 1 next to pixels with a light value of 0) to see what I was missing.

I felt that there were two major areas where I needed to vote below 4. First, there was the primary group of pictures that were simply poor, with no obvious thought or effort put into making them other than snapping the picture and resizing (maybe?). Secondly, there were pictures that wantonly flaunted the definition. I can see in other challenges where the definition is more subjective that a little more room could be allowed here, but this was a technical challenge definition. If a picture wantonly flaunted the definition, I halved the vote. Some got 4's and I think one got a 5, but a disappointing number of them fell into both categories and fared poorer.

And I feel like a troll because I passed out so many low votes... yuck. At least my voting historogram appears to fit the challenge. Heavily weighted to the left, with a few spikes on the right.... :)
03/22/2006 09:40:57 PM · #106
I did not use histograms in voting or preparing my entry, either. Simply went by what I saw.

"At least my voting historogram appears to fit the challenge. Heavily weighted to the left, with a few spikes on the right.... :)" Great analogy--mine would be like this also!

My current score:
Votes: 73
Views: 88
Avg Vote: 5.5342
Comments: 4

Edit to add my score.


Message edited by author 2006-03-22 21:42:27.
03/22/2006 10:09:14 PM · #107
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Avg Vote: 5.3488
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Certainly not setting the world on fire here... :-)

There were a few absolutely stunning examples of low key in this challenge. Hats off to you pros! WOW
03/22/2006 10:20:40 PM · #108
Anyone have thoughts on this histogram? I've been sitting all day around 4.7 and thought it would score higher. I did have to rotate the picture and then crop which I know is hurting my score a bit. Thanks.

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03/22/2006 10:23:49 PM · #109
I can't say much there guy, read above and you will see why I'm not all that big on going by historograms.

If you get some comments by the time the challenge is finished, you should know better what's going on...

my vote is PLUNGING currently.... moved from 5.3 and has been heading down towards the 4.7 mark with a 4.753.

While it's a big drop, I expected a 4 when I submitted, so I'm not too worried.
03/22/2006 10:30:18 PM · #110
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Updated: 03/22/06 10:20 pm

I think we have a lot of confusion on what is low-key. I have comments that range from " not low-key just underexposed" to "perfect low-key".

Not complaining just interesting to see the different views, its just good to have an entry in a challenge for me these days.
03/22/2006 10:31:03 PM · #111
5 this morning hit a high of 5.8 this afternoon now 5.45 ....

very wide swings ...
03/22/2006 10:31:45 PM · #112
Originally posted by keegbow:

I think we have a lot of confusion on what is low-key. I have comments that range from " not low-key just underexposed" to "perfect low-key".

Not complaining just interesting to see the different views, its just good to have an entry in a challenge for me these days.


I wonder how is much of the variance is due to uncalibrated monitors?

bazz.
03/22/2006 10:38:19 PM · #113
Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Originally posted by keegbow:

I think we have a lot of confusion on what is low-key. I have comments that range from " not low-key just underexposed" to "perfect low-key".

Not complaining just interesting to see the different views, its just good to have an entry in a challenge for me these days.


I wonder how is much of the variance is due to uncalibrated monitors?

bazz.


probably a lot
03/22/2006 11:44:32 PM · #114
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03/23/2006 07:57:21 AM · #115
shutter - you're doing pretty well there.
I'm not however:
Votes: 85
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Avg Vote: 4.9647
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Updated: 03/23/06 07:10 am

Both comments are extremely positive though!
03/23/2006 08:55:22 AM · #116
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Updated: 03/23/06 08:35 am

ok. satisfied, i'm rolling 4th or 5th over 5.0 challenge :-)
03/23/2006 08:57:42 AM · #117
Originally posted by mad_brewer:

Anyone have thoughts on this histogram? I've been sitting all day around 4.7 and thought it would score higher. I did have to rotate the picture and then crop which I know is hurting my score a bit. Thanks.

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As you can see from the histogram your image has pixels across its entire width from shadows to highlights. That means the image has strong tonality in both shadows and highlights. Classic low-key has tonality only in the shadows but not in the highlights. Your histogram should be zero or close to it in most places to the right of the grey triangle. In other words, your image isn't true low-key. Chances are good voters recognize that fact and you are getting comments suggesting you have not met the challenge.
03/23/2006 10:17:19 AM · #118
stdavidson,

Thanks for the reply - I'm starting to get this low-key thing a week too late. The comments have mostly been positive, but I think most of the voters must agree with your comments and that's why my average is so low.

03/23/2006 10:17:41 AM · #119
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Avg Vote: 5.2414
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
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Updated: 03/23/06 10:10 am


I'm liking today's voters better than yesterday's. My last few votes have been 6's & 8's.
03/23/2006 10:23:46 AM · #120
still shy of a 6....

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Updated: 03/23/06 10:15 am
03/23/2006 10:24:38 AM · #121
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Views: 127
Avg Vote: 5.5000
Comments: 1
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If I can hang on to this score, I'll be satisfied with this one.
03/23/2006 10:25:30 AM · #122
Originally posted by mad_brewer:

... I'm starting to get this low-key thing a week too late. The comments have mostly been positive, but I think most of the voters must agree with your comments and that's why my average is so low.

You are new to submitting images so you can be foregiven for your assumption that DPC voter trends actually make sense. ;) LOL!

03/23/2006 10:39:52 AM · #123
Originally posted by larryslights:

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Updated: 03/23/06 10:10 am


I'm liking today's voters better than yesterday's. My last few votes have been 6's & 8's.


I'm changing the word "liking" to "loving". My last four votes have been 8, 6, 8, 9. Keep it comin'...

Votes: 90
Views: 105
Avg Vote: 5.3222
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/23/06 10:36 am



03/23/2006 11:04:13 AM · #124
How can you tell what the voting breakdown is? I only have average vote and am curious to see the bar chart. thanks.
03/23/2006 11:28:22 AM · #125
Voting breakdown:

take previous number of votes times average, subtract it from current number of votes times average, divide the difference in total score by difference in votes

100 votes * 5.0000 average = 500 points
101 votes * 5.0099 average = 506 points
Last vote = 6
If the next time you looked it was 102 votes and a 5.0098 average:
102 * 5.0098 = 511
your last two votes averaged a 5.5. Could have been a 5&6, 1&10, 9&2, and so on.
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