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08/12/2003 08:53:24 AM · #1
After buying a digital, having a good play and learning a bit about photography, i have decided i now want to have a play with a used flm SLR. i'm not too bothered about age, as long as it's working andebay is overflowing with them and have sort of narrowed down what i'm after (Canon EOS1000, EOS5000 [i dont think that is the model no. in the US], or Nikon F70) i was just after some advice as to what sort of price to spend on the body, then lenses etc. im not going to be taking it very seriously, just a learning experience.
08/12/2003 09:00:32 AM · #2
First off, my suggestion is, if you really want to learn a lot aboout photography get a manual SLR. My first SLR was manual... a Pentax. They are less expensive, and will teach you a hell of a lot more. As much as I do not suggest a Canon (I'm a Nikon user) I wouldn't suggest the Nikon N/F70 by any means. This line of cameras was discontinued because it wasn't user friendly, very confusing controls on that camera after 5 years of owning it I still don't know everything on it. Seriously... this is not the camera you want, if you like something similar go with the F/N80 of F/N60 but not the 70! Thats my best advice. Price wise I really can't tell you, but if you want a guaranteed good camera, I would go to KEH I've done quite a bit of business with them, and they are very good and trustworthy. Hope this helps!
08/12/2003 09:15:14 AM · #3
The pentax k1000 is a great fully manual slr.
08/12/2003 09:16:26 AM · #4
I agree... If you want to learn, you don't need to spend much more than US$50-75 on eBay, getting an old, manual SLR. I used to have a Minolta SRT-200 and 201. I know you get them with a 28-50 lens for around $50-75. There are plenty of old (and solid) SLRs like this. Most are easy to use, and fairly common still (I'm talking about 30ish years old). Its really not much different than getting a more modern manual camera. The basics are always the same.

I have an EOS 2000--- is that old school now?? That is my camera if I want film! I thought it was modern!! I'm out of touch with that stuff now.
08/12/2003 09:30:30 AM · #5
thanks for your help guys,

i've got a $100 bid on a canon EOS5000 with a 38~76 lens which i may withdraw now and look older and fully manual. then spend what i save on a better lense.

thanks again.
08/12/2003 09:38:49 AM · #6
I'm not up to speed... but if you could get an older EOS for $100, that would be pretty good. (someone will correct me now).

That will have the fully manual setting, as any EOS would.
08/12/2003 09:50:40 AM · #7
I just bought a Canon AE Program on Ebay yesterday for $74. I've heard really great things about the metal body camera, and this one looks like it has all the important features I want.
08/12/2003 09:58:19 AM · #8
AE-1 - or even the A-1 are superb cameras. I use one when I am not using my D60 or medium format stuff.

HJ


08/12/2003 10:01:09 AM · #9
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got it! $117 in the end. (about £75, half the price of the same thing in a used camera store)
08/12/2003 10:33:03 AM · #10
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

The pentax k1000 is a great fully manual slr.

find one or sister pentax mx or both and have two bodies. Be careful about choosing lenses and you can surpass nikon and cannon in some focal lengths. Buy Leica if you have the cash.

Oh too bad you bought junk.

Message edited by author 2003-08-12 10:34:56.
08/12/2003 10:57:16 AM · #11
bah, not junk, plus the cheapest pentax body i could find was about the same price with no lense. ............and this had no time left.

08/12/2003 11:01:43 AM · #12
Picked up a very cheap Praktica BMS from a guy a work plus some nice lenses - from memory only about £40. Lovely new (err, old) toy :-)
08/12/2003 01:46:51 PM · #13
Originally posted by skiphilkah:

bah, not junk, plus the cheapest pentax body i could find was about the same price with no lense. ............and this had no time left.


The only thing i notice from your image of the camera is that the lense is fairly slow (largest apperature 4.5). All this means is learn how to use flash or carry a tripod with you for the slower shutter speeds that you will encounter.

I'm sure you will have a lot of fun.


08/13/2003 05:44:14 AM · #14
yeah i noticed that im going lense shopping when it arrives, ive got a tripod for now though.
08/13/2003 08:23:27 AM · #15
i'm a nikon system junkie, but it's my mom's fault. i use a nikon fm2/n body. it's... umm. nice. the fe2 looks pretty good too.

i like them nice and simple (no auto bullshit) and metal. no plastic crap for me. it's just always felt cheap to me.

it sort of depends on what you want to do. if you just wanna play around and learn darkroom and stuff, get something cheap. if you're really into photography, get something more advanced.
08/13/2003 08:27:28 AM · #16
I've used a Canon T60 and T70 the T60 is completely manual and only about 20 years out of date...lol I really loved canon slrs but the Canon digital SLRs are so cumbersome!

I know several professionals that are still using the T60, and will presaude you from the automatic slrs.
08/14/2003 01:50:29 AM · #17
i've always kind of looked at auto as "cheating"

so i bought the most advanced fully manual and fully mechanica camera i could find. my batteries only run my light meter and tell the flash i don't ever use when to go off.
09/18/2003 06:01:55 PM · #18
I vote for the Canon AE-1.
I still use mine, and it's over 25 years old. Strong, dependable, fully manual and the 50mm F1.8 lens it comes with is awesome even in low lighting situations. If I could keep the body but put a 35mm CCD or CMOS sensor in it instead of film, I'd be so happy... It would probably easily outperform some of the $2000 cameras on the market today.
09/18/2003 06:37:33 PM · #19
Originally posted by WhidbeyPix:

I vote for the Canon AE-1.
I still use mine, and it's over 25 years old. Strong, dependable, fully manual and the 50mm F1.8 lens it comes with is awesome even in low lighting situations. If I could keep the body but put a 35mm CCD or CMOS sensor in it instead of film, I'd be so happy... It would probably easily outperform some of the $2000 cameras on the market today.


YAY! That's what I bought. I just ran my first roll through it, but I haven't developed it yet.
Warning: The Canon A series has a mirror squeak problem. Mine needs some repair, but once I get that, it'll be beautiful.
Now if only I could figure out the controls.
09/18/2003 06:55:23 PM · #20
I started with a Canon FT-QL, Big, heavy, match needle meter. I'd still use it, but the cloth shutter curtain got pinholes......
09/19/2003 03:33:03 AM · #21
The Canon AE-1 is a great camera for learning. Thats what they tell us to rent in my B&W basic photography community college class. But if you want something really nice and are gonna use for a long time I reccomend the Canon EOS Elan 7. Very very nice camera fully manual and fully auto.

Check it out here.

Just got one about 3 weeks ago and Ive hardly touched my Sony since.

Plus having a darkroom to use at school whenever I want helps a bit.
09/19/2003 08:09:52 AM · #22
The Canon AE-1 is nice, but for film cameras, I prefer Nikon. I recommend getting a FM2, FG, or, if you can find one in good shape and have the $$, an F3. There are about a million lenses for these, usually at reasonable prices.
09/19/2003 08:23:28 AM · #23
My first ever camera was a Canon AE-1 Program... I bought it when I was 18, with my first full paycheck. It left me with $4 to live on for two weeks, but since I was in the Navy, I just ate at the galley, lived in the barracks. I did a lot with that camera! You can't go wrong there... Now I wish I had not sold it...
JD
09/19/2003 09:17:12 AM · #24
I have an old Pentax Spotmatic, Nikon FM2 and Nikon FE and have a Nikon 505 auto for family shots. I like the FM2 & FE the best, there quite rugged, easy to use and will do just about anything. Lenses are easy to find. I got a 400mm Vivitar for the Nikons for less than $100.00 from someone going digital. I haven't used them much lately, am thinking D100 one of these days though. Good luck in your search.
09/23/2003 03:52:46 PM · #25
Originally posted by WhidbeyPix:

I vote for the Canon AE-1.
I still use mine, and it's over 25 years old. Strong, dependable, fully manual and the 50mm F1.8 lens it comes with is awesome even in low lighting situations. If I could keep the body but put a 35mm CCD or CMOS sensor in it instead of film, I'd be so happy... It would probably easily outperform some of the $2000 cameras on the market today.


I remember reading about a digital "film" like camera you dropped into the film area of your regular 35mm camera and you could shoot digital pictures. I just did a search and came up dry though -- I don't think these things exist any more. I'm not sure how well they performed either. But... they let you use your "regular" camera to shoot digital.
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