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04/26/2006 01:16:28 AM · #1
So I got hit with the DNMC for my Something Old entry despite the subject being nearly 2 decades old

My entry

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Comparable images that placed much higher:

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Those are just a few examples as there are many more. Anyway, nothing against those images as I didn't find any of them DNMC. I'm just looking for some constructive criticism since I didn't get any and maybe some more feedback into why people thought it was DNMC since only 1 of you had the decency to say it was (thanks btw).

Message edited by author 2006-04-26 01:17:40.
04/26/2006 01:18:58 AM · #2
I think that's because it looked too new and pristine! :p
I didnt vote on the entries there tho
04/26/2006 01:22:35 AM · #3
Welcome to the DNMC, I don't care how good the picture is club! Gotta love it, I have been here for a while, heck even if ya ribbon someone will say it DNMC. Fun...

04/26/2006 01:24:08 AM · #4
Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised by the result but I was. DNMC was the furthest thing from my mine when I entered this. I had another shot similar to this that I was considering entering in Something New as in (product photography is new to me) but I figured that one would tank and this was the safe option! I've still got a lot to learn not just about photography but what DPC voters want. :(
04/26/2006 01:26:23 AM · #5
When I saw a post for "Something Lame" I thought it was a challenge suggestion. :) I GOT EXCITED for a moment... LOL
04/26/2006 01:28:21 AM · #6
All you gotta do Yanko is learn to read minds :)
04/26/2006 01:29:42 AM · #7
Want to know something honest, screw the scores its a basic crap shoot at best, do what feels natural, shot for it the best ya can. The reality is what does good here has limited appeal outside of the challenges. The better your feel with what is the subject your going after is the positive of all this!
04/26/2006 01:31:36 AM · #8
Originally posted by yanko:

...more feedback into why people thought it was DNMC since only 1 of you had the decency to say it was (thanks btw).


Maybe the Nikon crowd is to blame :P

Seriously, I think an unfamiliarity with the subject may have sparked the response.
04/26/2006 01:34:03 AM · #9
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

When I saw a post for "Something Lame" I thought it was a challenge suggestion. :) I GOT EXCITED for a moment... LOL


LOL. Actually, that might be a fun idea. Choose something "lame" in your eyes and shoot it. We'd probably get a bunch of water shots but heck, what else is new? :P
04/26/2006 01:37:06 AM · #10
Originally posted by MQuinn:

Want to know something honest, screw the scores its a basic crap shoot at best, do what feels natural, shot for it the best ya can. The reality is what does good here has limited appeal outside of the challenges. The better your feel with what is the subject your going after is the positive of all this!


I hear you but I kinda view the challenges like if it's a client. I can always shoot stuff I like in addition to entering challenges. The problem is figuring out what people want that I can actually shoot!
04/26/2006 01:41:14 AM · #11
Doesn't take much mind reading in this case; the voters are coming in with a certain mindset, "old", and you hit them with a clean, pristine product shot of something that looks like it just came out of the box. Even IF the voter knows it's a 30-year-old model of the camera, it's not really what most people would see as a "good" answer to the challenge, no matter how well it's shot.

I'm speaking as an "expert" on entering perfectly on-topic images that fly against expectations and tank miserably. You're in good company :-)

R.
04/26/2006 01:41:28 AM · #12
Originally posted by yanko:


I hear you but I kinda view the challenges like if it's a client. I can always shoot stuff I like in addition to entering challenges. The problem is figuring out what people want that I can actually shoot!


The problem with that is DPC is not 1 client, but a collective of 200+ individual minds voting on 100+ images.

Mass appeal is a hard thing to accomplish. Clients are easy, because you can ask them what they have in mind.
04/26/2006 01:47:49 AM · #13
Personally, it's very rare that I willl give a high score to a picture of photographic equipment. They almost always strike me as uncreative, even though your particular shot was extremely well lit and composed.

It's like movies about the film industry or songs about making records. Though there are several amazing examples of songs, movies, and photos that pull this off very well, the vast majority simply don't hold any interest or touch on any universal emotions.
04/26/2006 01:53:49 AM · #14
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


The problem with that is DPC is not 1 client, but a collective of 200+ individual minds voting on 100+ images.

Mass appeal is a hard thing to accomplish. Clients are easy, because you can ask them what they have in mind.


Very true, even if you actually do win, all that brings ya is some flavor of the week praise and some emails saying how your photo DNMC. Mixed bag I guess take it how you please, Just keep improving and learning is the important part.
04/26/2006 03:04:33 AM · #15
...hheyyyyyy..... that paintset might not be 30 years old, but I've been using it since gradeschool... :) lol!

btw, I really liked your photo and voted it high; I was for sure it would score much higher than it did... of course, most of my top 30 picks endend up all over the place and a lot of them at the end of the line
04/26/2006 03:29:17 AM · #16
I can sympathize with yanko to a certain extent. And like Bear, I always think my entries fit the topic to a T. No one hinted that my shot didn't meet the challenge but after the votes started rolling in and especially after I did my own voting, I think my shot was voted low not because the subject looked new, but rather because the image didn't look like it was taken with decades old technology and technique. I read the topic to be "take a picture of something old". But I think that most of the other entrants, and most of the voters, read it to be "find something old and use your shooting and editing skills to make your image look like it was taken long ago". My subject was undeniably old (a steam locomotive) but I made no effort to make it look like I took the picture twenty years ago. It's bright and, I think, technically sound by modern standards. I kind of feel like I was shooting for a different challenge than most of my competitors, and the voters, were into.
04/26/2006 01:43:58 PM · #17
I'm going with the few voices in here that are more on the mark. Your photo simply doesn't say *old*. It could be a camera from the 1800s.. but if it looked like this one does.. shiny, pristine, smooth.. it simply says "new" to people. Your presentation is as important, (if not more so), than the product itself. Old camera, Shiny new-baby-soft-skin look.

That's why you were hit with DNMC.. and I'd have to agree.
04/26/2006 02:03:56 PM · #18
Look at the selection of pictures you posted again. Pretend you don't know what challenge they're for.

Pick one that meets a challenge called "Technology".

Now pick one that meets a challenge called "Old".

I'd pick your camera for "technology", and the gloves for "old".

Sometimes you need more than just the challenge topic in the title. My rule is, if I have to explain it in the title, I didn't do very well.

If the challenge is blue, and I take a shot of the sky, someone would look at it and say "hey, nice landscape." But if I took a c/u of someone's eye, someone might look at it and say, "Wow... those eyes are BLUE!"

Both include the color. But one brings a certain topic to mind.

Make any sense?
04/26/2006 02:07:44 PM · #19
Take a look at these cameras:

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Which one looks old?

Which one is actually newer?

Same one--the camera on the right. For a challenge like this, looking old is much more important than being old.

--DanW
04/26/2006 02:13:29 PM · #20
Photos of cameras, movies about movie makers, and art about art are all rather too introspective to me.
04/26/2006 02:28:16 PM · #21
Originally posted by photomikey:

Look at the selection of pictures you posted again. Pretend you don't know what challenge they're for.

Pick one that meets a challenge called "Technology".

Now pick one that meets a challenge called "Old".


You see this is where I differ. I don't see those gloves as being "old" just being "used". Frankly, they look new to me if anything probably because of the sharpness used. Also, what about the woman photo? Nothing there says old to me except the title description. I guess because it's not in full color HENCE it's old? And what about the leaf? We all know that one isn't old. I guess I should have just kicked the camera around the room and sprinkled some dust over it and it would have satisfied the narrow minded voters. I guess I totally missed the mark on this one. I thought taking care of old things (i.e. mint condition) was also a part of old things but I guess not.

Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:35:22.
04/26/2006 02:36:22 PM · #22
Originally posted by wheeledd:

Take a look at these cameras:

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Which one looks old?

Which one is actually newer?

Same one--the camera on the right. For a challenge like this, looking old is much more important than being old.

--DanW


That's fine. Next time I'll be sure to read the fine print. I read it as "something old" not "something that looks old". Really my beef is not with this preception but the fact that CLEARLY that standard wasn't used across the board as the few examples I posted illustrates and there are many others like that.


Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:38:12.
04/26/2006 02:39:04 PM · #23
Originally posted by yanko:

You see this is where I differ. I don't see those gloves as being "old" just being "used". Frankly, they look new to me if anything probably because of the sharpness used.


They aren't new. They aren't prehistoric either, but they aren't new. :)
04/26/2006 02:55:54 PM · #24
I got a few comments about my picture not fitting the challenge that well too, but they did it in a nice tactful way, and I can see their viewpoint so I don't take any offense to it. Sand is pretty old by nature, but not exactly what you would think of as "old."
04/26/2006 03:02:33 PM · #25
Originally posted by Telehubbie:

I got a few comments about my picture not fitting the challenge that well too, but they did it in a nice tactful way, and I can see their viewpoint so I don't take any offense to it. Sand is pretty old by nature, but not exactly what you would think of as "old."


I noticed yours as well but that was just one killer shot so it obviously survived the narrow view people had for old. You can't get much older than sand and "desolation" also plays into that old theme which was there also. I guess all that I'm interested in was how could I have made my shot better given the subject I used where it wouldn't have been DNMC OR like yours over come it. Maybe I should have thrown it in a bucket so I could have included a water drop in it (i.e. tired old idea). I'm guessing doing that or just taking a random snapshot not looking in the view finder would have scored better? :P

Message edited by author 2006-04-26 15:03:42.
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