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07/27/2006 11:10:50 AM · #1
I've recently submitted a photograph to the Color on Color challenge. I've been told many times already that I must have mistakenly submitted it to the wrong contest.
My intent was to show black on black...Black is still considered a color, right? Or are the poor scores becasue it's a bad shot?

Message edited by Konador - Please keep your entry anonymous during voting.
07/27/2006 11:13:08 AM · #2
Poor form to link it with the challenge in progress.

Yes black is a color, but when there is a black and white contest going on at the same time as a color contest one does wonder why in the world you entered a black and white photo in the color contest... Guess people didn't get your cleverness or something.
07/27/2006 11:13:59 AM · #3
You shouldn't try to show your image whilst the challenge is going on - we're not supposed to know which image belongs to which photographer;)
07/27/2006 11:14:26 AM · #4
I always thought black was a shade... but you know 12 years of art classes could be wrong...
07/27/2006 11:15:15 AM · #5
Black isn't a colour. Black is a lack of light. No light means no colour.
07/27/2006 11:17:58 AM · #6
I also learned in art school that black and white were not colors - they are shades.
07/27/2006 11:18:59 AM · #7
Black is a color....actually black is all the colors mixed together. I don't know what your photo looks like, but judging by my photo, Black on Black or white on white would have failed in either category. In the color on color people are prolly looking for something other than black or white...which sucks because they are still colors...If crayola makes a crayon for it...it's prolly a color.

But in the Black and white Challenge it seems that people are looking to see both black and white in the photo...so all black or all white has gotten DNMC...at least it has for me.
07/27/2006 11:19:34 AM · #8
Originally posted by albc28:

Black is a color....actually black is all the colors mixed together.


I thought that was white?
07/27/2006 11:19:36 AM · #9
To provide a counterpoint to Ben's post...

Fritz: "What color car are you thinking of buying dear?"

Karen: "Not sure, I did like the black one..."

In any case where we're talking about everyday items, we use black the same way we talk about any other color. For practical purposes, yes, IMO black is definitely a color.

Message edited by author 2006-07-27 11:19:45.
07/27/2006 11:20:16 AM · #10
Originally posted by Konador:

Black isn't a colour. Black is a lack of light. No light means no colour.


Yeah, I remember an art teacher telling me that white was an absence of color, and black was an absence of light.

I still count both as colors because they're both in the crayon box. :)
07/27/2006 11:20:48 AM · #11
1. Being of the color black, producing or reflecting comparatively little light and having no predominant hue.

2. Having little or no light: a black, moonless night.

3. Very dark in color: rich black soil; black, wavy hair.
07/27/2006 11:22:16 AM · #12
Technically, black is the absorbtion of all visible light, so that nothing is reflected back. White is the reflection of all visible light.

Or so I was taught in art school.

This raised the question, is grass green at night?

The answer is no, since there is no light to absorb or reflect, there is no color.

pretty deep, huh?

07/27/2006 11:24:29 AM · #13
Originally posted by Konador:

Black isn't a colour. Black is a lack of light. No light means no colour.

Sorry I sounded really cocky there, lol. Just typing quickly :P
I agree with kirbic, in an everyday sense, black is a colour, even though technically it's not. I won't vote down anything black or white this challenge :)
07/27/2006 11:32:45 AM · #14
Black is the sum of ALL color, doesn't that mean it would also have to be a color...
07/27/2006 11:33:40 AM · #15
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Technically, black is the absorbtion of all visible light, so that nothing is reflected back. White is the reflection of all visible light.

Or so I was taught in art school.

This raised the question, is grass green at night?

The answer is no, since there is no light to absorb or reflect, there is no color.

pretty deep, huh?


My art classes taught me the same, but I do agree with Laurie, I always had black crayons in my box so I could color in with.
07/27/2006 11:35:33 AM · #16
If I remember this correctly...

Black is a mixture of all color, white is the absence of color.

However, white light is the mixture of all light and black light(shadow) is the absence of light.

07/27/2006 11:44:43 AM · #17
Ha! I'm surprised by the number of art school brats we have around here :D
07/27/2006 11:48:39 AM · #18
<-- failed art :(
07/27/2006 11:49:45 AM · #19
Originally posted by idnic:

Ha! I'm surprised by the number of art school brats we have around here :D

Not sure if you included me in this, but mine was from Physics...when we studied light.
07/27/2006 11:50:54 AM · #20
you are all right. stop it with the 'i'm an art student'

ensues the hypocrit statement: i have been a student of art for well more than 15 yrs (oh look at me!) not particularly a big hoot. color is color. (love is love, heh) - and it's obvious this is one of those interpretation things. plus, aren't all people artists in their own right? (oh gawd i hate myself! talking like this, bleh!)

we say people are colored. geeze, it could be time to stop over-analyzing and just judge for judging sake and not try to be smart about it.

it is tough since the two competitions are running so "opposite" right now. But Gixer made an artistic decision. Which may also be his/her statement for color - pretty sure s/he was aware that it was black and white... or black and black - there was definitely some play with light.

as far as physical colors, the addition of all color as a medium other than light will produce black. the addition of all colors from light will produce white. not only did Gixer use black as a tangible but, s/he used light as well. thoughtful, not what people were expecting or possibly wanting to see as the "general" first (uncomplicated) impression - maybe most people wanted the bright colors that tease the eye.

no fault in trying though. Just not received as intended ;)
07/27/2006 12:05:35 PM · #21
Wow - we were all having a discussion - not making disparaging remarks about each other....
07/27/2006 12:08:14 PM · #22
Originally posted by kyen:

you are all right. stop it with the 'i'm an art student'

ensues the hypocrit statement: i have been a student of art for well more than 15 yrs (oh look at me!) not particularly a big hoot. color is color. (love is love, heh) - and it's obvious this is one of those interpretation things. plus, aren't all people artists in their own right? (oh gawd i hate myself! talking like this, bleh!)

we say people are colored. geeze, it could be time to stop over-analyzing and just judge for judging sake and not try to be smart about it.

it is tough since the two competitions are running so "opposite" right now. But Gixer made an artistic decision. Which may also be his/her statement for color - pretty sure s/he was aware that it was black and white... or black and black - there was definitely some play with light.

as far as physical colors, the addition of all color as a medium other than light will produce black. the addition of all colors from light will produce white. not only did Gixer use black as a tangible but, s/he used light as well. thoughtful, not what people were expecting or possibly wanting to see as the "general" first (uncomplicated) impression - maybe most people wanted the bright colors that tease the eye.

no fault in trying though. Just not received as intended ;)


Thanks! We all like being admonished by someone who has been a member for all of 2 weeks.
07/27/2006 12:08:45 PM · #23
It all depends upon if you are talking about additive or subtractive color spaces. In other words are you discussing mixing light or are you discussing pigments?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color%20theory
07/27/2006 12:32:07 PM · #24
scarbrd, does having been a member for a short time make his statement any less valid?
I just wanted to see what people thought about black as a color, I was very surprised of the scores for the color on color image that uses black. Thanks for everyones input.
07/27/2006 12:45:30 PM · #25
Originally posted by cryingdragon:

If I remember this correctly...

Black is a mixture of all color, white is the absence of color.

However, white light is the mixture of all light and black light(shadow) is the absence of light.


I completely agree.

and...

as laurielblack so aptly pointed out; both black and white are colors as defined by Crayola.
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