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07/31/2006 09:41:27 PM · #1
I've received word that my photo, "A Candid Kiss", in the "On The Beach" contest has been DQ'ed. I didn't ribbon, or even come close for that matter, but because of how the photo was obtained it means a bit to me and I feel it deserves a more specific reason than:

"Spot editing is not permitted in 'Basic Editing.' Please review the challenge submission rules."

I take pride in playing everything by the rules. I truly don't understand what I did wrong. I've emailed SC and asked for a more specific reason for the DQ, but I haven't heard anything back yet.

All my steps are listed by the image and I didn't do any spot editing. If any of you are interested in helping me solve this, send me a PM and I'll email you the original photo.

Here's My Submission:

//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=365389

Thanks,
Brian
07/31/2006 09:43:22 PM · #2
You mean the background colors never been touched?
07/31/2006 09:43:45 PM · #3
Brian,
I don't see an open ticket under your name. That's surely the best way to open this for discussion. You can open a ticket under Help>Contact; choose the "General inquiry" category.
07/31/2006 09:44:26 PM · #4
It appears to me that you desaturated the background by selecting it and removing saturation.

If so, that is not allowed in Basic

Just my opinion.

Message edited by author 2006-07-31 21:44:45.
07/31/2006 09:44:45 PM · #5
All adjustments were applied to the entire image.
07/31/2006 09:45:29 PM · #6
Thanks Fritz, I'll do that. I just replied to the DQ email before.
07/31/2006 09:48:00 PM · #7
Originally posted by btuck:

All adjustments were applied to the entire image.

Can you send me the original @ scottwhiddon [the at siqn] dot net.

I will try to see if I can help.
07/31/2006 09:48:25 PM · #8
Originally posted by focuspoint:

You mean the background colors never been touched?

I think it could be done by desaturating selective colours.
Don't think he "cheated" the basic editing rules.
07/31/2006 09:49:42 PM · #9
Here's my original. Only thing I know I'm guilty of is shooting it at 1600 ISO, but I had to move fast, it was truly candid.

//www.hardbread.com/_MG_0826.JPG

07/31/2006 09:51:27 PM · #10
Originally posted by btuck:

Here's my original. Only thing I know I'm guilty of is shooting it at 1600 ISO, but I had to move fast, it was truly candid.

//www.hardbread.com/_MG_0826.JPG

What editing software did you use?

07/31/2006 09:53:52 PM · #11
You haven't selectively added blur to the background, by any chance...?
07/31/2006 09:54:02 PM · #12
I certainly can see how that can be easily done with selective desaturation. If you look closely at the couples legs you can see where they were done as well. I wonder about this DQ I have downloaded the original and am doing a quick edit to see if I can get there in basic.

MattO

07/31/2006 09:57:08 PM · #13
No Laurie, I assure you all was done with the steps listed. Absolutely nothing was done to a particular part of the photo. All steps were applied to the entire image at all times.
07/31/2006 10:00:21 PM · #14
I have the original also and haven't played around with it yet, but the background looks almost desaturated to begin with.

He used Paint Shop Pro X

His editing steps:
Resized to 50%
Auto Noise removal
Clarify
Fiddle around with the hue a bit. Mostly to tone down a bit of blue and some yellow.
Resized to 640
And Sharpened

(From a PM he sent to me)
07/31/2006 10:01:45 PM · #15
I can get the same effects by adjusting contrast, using channel mixer and levels without spot editing.
07/31/2006 10:04:11 PM · #16
Originally posted by btuck:

No Laurie, I assure you all was done with the steps listed. Absolutely nothing was done to a particular part of the photo. All steps were applied to the entire image at all times.


Hmmm... I share your confusion. Oh well, perhaps it's just a matter of waiting for SC to get back to you. They've been rather pre-occupied of late, so give them a bit of time to get around to a proper reply.

Cheers.
07/31/2006 10:06:23 PM · #17
What is "clarify"? I'm having difficulty getting the same effect with basic editing in photoshop 7.0. Where I'm having a problem is where the heads are so cleanly separated from the BG rocks.

R.
07/31/2006 10:13:57 PM · #18
Clarify is an adjustment that is in PSPX. It is applied directly to the image, not on an adjustment layer. I suspect when he says he fiddled around with the Hue adjustment, that was also done directly to the image using a hue map rather than a hue/saturation/lightness adjustment layer.
07/31/2006 10:15:27 PM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

What is "clarify"? I'm having difficulty getting the same effect with basic editing in photoshop 7.0. Where I'm having a problem is where the heads are so cleanly separated from the BG rocks.

R.


Clarify is a great little "action" for lack of a better word, I use it a lot and so have others in basic challenges (Ursula comes to mind for one). It sort of makes the foreground pop off the background. Not sure what it exactly does, it's just a one button thing, under "effects" and "enhance photo" in PSP and is applied to the entire photo, not selectively.
07/31/2006 10:17:02 PM · #20
"Clarify" does not sound like an "adjustment," but more like a filter, and may involve "hidden" selections.

A complete description of how this command works would be necessary to make a judgement, and I don't have that.
07/31/2006 10:18:38 PM · #21
Using PS/CS this is as close as I could come.
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22970/thumb/372956.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/22970/thumb/372956.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

Steps:
1. Image > Adjustments > Replace Color
2. Eye dropper tool placed on background green and adjusted Hue/Saturation/Lightness.
3. Image > Adjustments > Brightness/Contrast (-25/+10)
4. Resize to 640x
5. USM 150-0.3-0 Normal Mode / Repeat once more.

07/31/2006 10:20:15 PM · #22
This one that ribboned by Ursula was done by using the clarify tool.

//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=301378

07/31/2006 10:21:15 PM · #23
From the PSPX help files, the steps to use clarify are:

To enhance depth and clarity
1. Make sure that the photo has no selections.

If necessary, choose Selections Select None.

2. Choose Adjust -> Brightness and Contrast -> Clarify.

The Clarify dialog box appears.

3. Set or type a value in the Strength of effect control.

Use the smallest value that gives a satisfying result. Increasing the values cause unwanted artifacts to appear in the photo.

4. Click OK.

Message edited by author 2006-07-31 22:21:48.
07/31/2006 10:21:29 PM · #24
Originally posted by GeneralE:

"Clarify" does not sound like an "adjustment," but more like a filter, and may involve "hidden" selections.

A complete description of how this command works would be necessary to make a judgement, and I don't have that.


Clarify is legal in basic challenges, I have used it and so have many others and have not been DQ'ed.
07/31/2006 10:21:49 PM · #25
Whether the effect can be achieved "legally" under Basic rules is largely an academic exercise if the actual techniques used turned out to be illegal.
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