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08/30/2006 02:34:40 PM · #26
Originally posted by focuspoint:


Personal application only. No more over the Internet sign-up. You have to go to Langdon's home, give your finger print, he will keep the fingerprint database. Each time you vote, you must enter your finger print (a copy)... if there are two fingerprints matches, you will be sent to middle-east to wash camels.

*Crowd cheers, applauses here*


I know you were being cheeky, but I think you have given me an idea.

How about requiring a undeitted (with valid EXIF) photo of a current state issued Driver's License or ID before one can vote?
08/30/2006 02:36:23 PM · #27
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by focuspoint:


Personal application only. No more over the Internet sign-up. You have to go to Langdon's home, give your finger print, he will keep the fingerprint database. Each time you vote, you must enter your finger print (a copy)... if there are two fingerprints matches, you will be sent to middle-east to wash camels.

*Crowd cheers, applauses here*


I know you were being cheeky, but I think you have given me an idea.

How about requiring a undeitted (with valid EXIF) photo of a current state issued Driver's License or ID before one can vote?


Not a good idea, unless you like making it easy for folks to steal you identity. Not saying D&L would ever do that, but you don't want to put photos of that type of data anywhere.
08/30/2006 02:46:05 PM · #28
what is funny is all that could be manage was 118th place...
08/30/2006 03:06:10 PM · #29
Originally posted by hokie:

If people were openly accountable for their votes it would be a good thing I think.


How does this stop the guy that sets up multiple accounts - one each for every person he knows?

His fake account voting patterns don't even need to be obvious. All 4's, 5's and 6's except for his own entries which are 8's, 9's and 10's.
08/30/2006 03:07:39 PM · #30
I just want to know who has the time to vote from multiple accounts... LOL.
08/30/2006 03:10:18 PM · #31
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I know you were being cheeky, but I think you have given me an idea.

How about requiring a undeitted (with valid EXIF) photo of a current state issued Driver's License or ID before one can vote?


I think that's taking it a bit too far. You would eliminate anyone who doesn't hold a driver's license. Minors, for example, or someone who doesn't drive. And in Newfoundland there are no government issued ID cards other than drivers licenses.
08/30/2006 03:20:37 PM · #32
Its not like there are cash prizes up for grabs (Just wish I could get one of them Rubber Duckies though) and if someone is operating multiple accounts for voting purposes, they really are just fooling themselves. The way I see it, this site is for fun and learning... a bit of peer recognition by way of a ribbon is a bonus(Hopefully one day the ribbon "bonus" will swing my way).... but in the meantime I will just carry on and battle to break the 6 mark :)

BTW, I think I'm gonna get it on the Free study challenge... Excuse me now while I set up my other accounts :)

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 15:23:46.
08/30/2006 03:22:40 PM · #33
Originally posted by Kaizer:

...Excuse me now while I set up my other accounts :)


we'll find you very easily... KaizerI, KaizerII and KaizerIII :P
08/30/2006 03:24:09 PM · #34
Originally posted by Kaizer:

BTW, I think I'm gonna get it on the Free study challenge... Excuse me now while I set up my other accounts :)


Heh. I think winning a free study would be amazing. I'd settle for not being in the bottom 10.
08/30/2006 03:26:19 PM · #35
Originally posted by mist:

Originally posted by Kaizer:

BTW, I think I'm gonna get it on the Free study challenge... Excuse me now while I set up my other accounts :)


Heh. I think winning a free study would be amazing. I'd settle for not being in the bottom 10.


I meant breaking the 6 mark on score..... Short term goal :)
08/30/2006 03:28:39 PM · #36
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:


While I think your idea has good intention. I see it as only causing trouble. Fights would break out because a certain user gives 1's out frequently or a certain user gives all nudes votes of 10.


I kinda agree with hokie on this. We already show people's voting averages so why not their actual votes? I think if we showed everyone's votes I bet comments would go up just to explain why they voted low. That to me would be a benefit to the photographer as currently low voters rarely if ever leave comments.

The thing that would get people upset is not those that constantly vote low on certain subjects but those that try to fake that by constantly voting low on top contenders while giving throwing away high votes to photos they know are not going to win. That way you achieve your goal of trolling while maintaining a respectable average vote cast. If everyone's votes were visible I bet that practice would end immediately and scores in general would go up. Just my opinion though.

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 15:29:55.
08/30/2006 03:32:01 PM · #37
Originally posted by yanko:


constantly voting low on top contenders while giving throwing away high votes to photos they know are not going to win.


How can you do that, unless you already know what the result will be. Which is technically impossible.

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 15:32:17.
08/30/2006 03:33:44 PM · #38
Originally posted by yanko:


The thing that would get people upset is not those that constantly vote low on certain subjects but those that try to fake that by constantly voting low on top contenders while giving throwing away high votes to photos they know are not going to win. That way you achieve your goal of trolling while maintaining a respectable average vote cast. If everyone's votes were visible I bet that practice would end immediately and scores in general would go up. Just my opinion though.


That's a very dangerous position to take. I frequently give high votes to "photos I know are not going to win" not for any such coverup reasons but simply because my tastes are not in alignment with the DPC norm.

I'd be pretty offended if my votes were revealed and hordes of witch-hunters jumped on me for this "obvious" troll-like behavior...

R.
08/30/2006 03:34:30 PM · #39
Originally posted by yanko:

I kinda agree with hokie on this. We already show people's voting averages so why not their actual votes?


Some people would probably quit voting.

Originally posted by mist:

Originally posted by yanko:


constantly voting low on top contenders while giving throwing away high votes to photos they know are not going to win.


How can you do that, unless you already know what the result will be. Which is technically impossible.


Often times you can guess pretty well which ones will do well and which won't - not a perfect method of course but maybe it's used well enough by some people.
08/30/2006 03:35:39 PM · #40
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

but simply because my tastes are not in alignment with the DPC norm.



Exactly!!
08/30/2006 03:38:32 PM · #41
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by yanko:


The thing that would get people upset is not those that constantly vote low on certain subjects but those that try to fake that by constantly voting low on top contenders while giving throwing away high votes to photos they know are not going to win. That way you achieve your goal of trolling while maintaining a respectable average vote cast. If everyone's votes were visible I bet that practice would end immediately and scores in general would go up. Just my opinion though.


That's a very dangerous position to take. I frequently give high votes to "photos I know are not going to win" not for any such coverup reasons but simply because my tastes are not in alignment with the DPC norm.

I'd be pretty offended if my votes were revealed and hordes of witch-hunters jumped on me for this "obvious" troll-like behavior...

R.


I mentioned that is the thing that people might get upset about. True, I vote highly on many photos that ultimately don't do well also. The thing is I just view this as a photo contest and not like we are electing someone to office. If people got upset over my voting habits I won't lose any sleep over it. In time I think once that initial shock of seeing everyone's votes took place things would go back to normal except normal would be more openness which I view as a good thing.

Message edited by author 2006-08-30 15:39:08.
08/30/2006 03:39:08 PM · #42
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


I'd be pretty offended if my votes were revealed and hordes of witch-hunters jumped on me for this "obvious" troll-like behavior...

R.


Absolutely. This was something of my point with the question of how can anyone do that, except that you put it across much better.

I have my own opinions about "what shot will definitely win" and, to the most part, I have been way off in a lot of challenges. Photos that I scored 4 or 5 are up there in the top few, whereas some of my 7s and 8s languish in the 80th percentile. According to that, that makes me a troll voter, whereas I'm actually just voting on what I like.
08/30/2006 03:40:33 PM · #43
Who here has heard of the 95/5 Rule?

Basically it states that 95 percent of people do what is right without excessive rules thrust upon them, and 5 perent will look for and find ways to do what is wrong no matter what the rules say. It further states that we tend to make rules for everyone geared toward controlling the 5 percent, which sometime results in undo penalties on the 95 percent. The concept of "Zero Tolerance" is an awful blow to the 95 percent who are not trying to do anything wrong, but do, sometines, make mistakes.

The solution then is to make your rules simple and fair and realize that there will always be those who choose to cheat and who will always find a way to do it. Those people can be dealt with by SC based on the rules already in place.

This site is about learning to be a better photographer and making friends with some wonderful people. There's no money attached to the ribbons anyway, so why not just leave it alone and enjoy what we have here.

Just my two cents..
08/30/2006 03:42:15 PM · #44
I'd also, from a purely selfish point of view, rather not be getting PMs after contests from angry photographers wanting to know why I didn't vote them as a 10.

To me, it just seems more hassle than it's worth to have a names-open voting process. You're just asking for reprecussions on the honest voting majority whilst trying to quash a few dishonest people who seem to be being caught anyway, because the SC already knows who they are.
08/30/2006 03:44:27 PM · #45
People who want to reveal their votes do so now in the comment area.
08/30/2006 03:47:43 PM · #46
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


I'd be pretty offended if my votes were revealed and hordes of witch-hunters jumped on me for this "obvious" troll-like behavior...

R.


I mentioned that is the thing that people might get upset about. True, I vote highly on many photos that ultimately don't do well also. The thing is I just view this as a photo contest and not like we are electing someone to office. If people got upset over my voting habits I won't lose any sleep over it. In time I think once that initial shock of seeing everyone's votes took place things would go back to normal except normal would be more openness which I view as a good thing.


I want to make sure I understand this correctly, beacuse I feel like I'm missing something. It seems that your plan wouldn't make any distinction between "troll votes" and "votes that are anti-norm" and instead relies on the openness of votes to increase the self-policing that people do. Is there actually a method for telling troll votes and anti-norm votes apart?
08/30/2006 03:48:41 PM · #47
Funny, I don't view open voting as a means to quashing dishonest people. Quite the contrary. I view it as something to improve the learning process in general. I think commenting would go up (good thing) as well as putting a face on those that liked your stuff and yes those that didn't like it. We talk about this being a learning site all the time yet we shy away from being more open. Being so strict and secret about voting makes this more of a competition site than learning one, IMO.
08/30/2006 03:51:13 PM · #48
Originally posted by yanko:

I think commenting would go up ... Being so strict and secret about voting makes this more of a competition site than learning one, IMO.


Fair point. Though I don't believe that the one (commenting) would definitely follow on from the other (open voting) as it takes enough effort to vote as it is, especially when there's hundreds of entries.
08/30/2006 03:52:59 PM · #49
Originally posted by mist:

Originally posted by yanko:

I think commenting would go up ... Being so strict and secret about voting makes this more of a competition site than learning one, IMO.


Fair point. Though I don't believe that the one (commenting) would definitely follow on from the other (open voting) as it takes enough effort to vote as it is, especially when there's hundreds of entries.


And it gets even worse with multiple accounts :-o
08/30/2006 03:54:00 PM · #50
Originally posted by Kaizer:


And it gets even worse with multiple accounts :-o


Exactly. It'd take ages to type the same comment five times. ;)
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