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11/12/2006 09:20:35 PM · #26
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:

a few years ago my son got married in the oldest Cathedral in the United States. A very formal affair. The photo had two cameras, a digital 20D and a film SLR. He was not familiar with flash and BIG inside of buildings. He also did not know how to use filler flash. This was one of those $2,000 photogs. I used an old Nikon Coolpix 5Mp camera as the father of the groom just to snap a few pics. At the end, the pro photog did not supply a single photo worth keeping. Every photo of their wedding was from the pics I took with the point & shoot.


I think it might be stressful to the photographer to be aware that another pro photographer is in the crowd, wont it? I believe I would - but of course, because I'm not a pro!
11/12/2006 09:29:57 PM · #27
I had a photographer e-mail me mad because I didn't charge to do some photos. I don't think you can win. If you charge, others are going to say they are better, and if you don't charge others are going to get mad that you are screwing them out of sales. I just gave up trying to please anybody.
11/12/2006 09:39:09 PM · #28
Theoretically anyone can sue you for almost anything. Whether they win or not is a different story. Bringing unfair demands for a settlement in front of a judge is a good way to lose a case, so it's not likely you are going to get killed in court for screwing up a wedding shoot.

And, unless you are getting into high-dollar weddings, I don't think most clients would waste thier time suing for "damages".

It would be a wise choice to refund the customer QUICKLY and give them whatever photos you could salvage if you did screw one up. *knocks on wood*

However, your reputation is your life blood. Mess that up and you might as well sell all your equipment and go work for McDonalds.

Message edited by author 2006-11-12 21:40:04.
11/12/2006 09:39:33 PM · #29
geez it's good I can't get sued for messing up posts

Message edited by author 2006-11-12 21:40:26.
11/12/2006 09:45:42 PM · #30
contract, contract, contract. A smart one will have a woops disclaimer and there would be nothing they could sue for.

Bottom line, if you screw up a wedding, make sure it is a couple that is going to get divorced anyway.
11/12/2006 09:59:53 PM · #31
ha..I agree with boomtap...
Remember, most of those "lovely photos'' will be ripped up one day in a hissy fit...
Just get the contract signed, go and shoot the wedding and have a good time.

06/15/2009 03:25:07 PM · #32
“Why do photographers charge so much for services?”
Here is a good reason: //keiths.blog.keithbdixon.com/2009/05/18/“why-do-photographers-charge-so-much-for-services”
06/15/2009 03:27:36 PM · #33
I screw stuff up on purpose so nobody asks me to do it again.

Especially family. Urgh.
06/15/2009 05:38:44 PM · #34
I am an average to poor photographer.

I am more than willing to go take some snapshots for someone. However, Every time I've been asked to do a wedding or something like that I tell them NO. I will willingly shoot for them, but I will NOT be the primary wedding photographer. I've said this to several people, and they understand.
06/15/2009 06:23:23 PM · #35
I did one wedding--I'll never do another one!

It was my sister's wedding. She didn't want to hire a photographer. She wasn't going to have pictures. I rented lights, did the pictures, they actually turned out well. The stress was unbelievable! What if they sucked? What if they didn't turn out? (it was film at the time).

The pictures are too important. My friend's favorite person in her family was her grandmother. The photographer messed up the role of film that had her grandmother in the shots. Her grandmother died shortly afterwards--she has no pictures. She didn't sue--she wouldn't. But it couldn't be fixed. And that's one of the things she thinks about when looking at her wedding pictures.

06/15/2009 07:49:30 PM · #36
You need to have insurance with a clause for errors and omissions and it will cover you. Its called running a photography business, anyone doing it anywhere without it, is really risking everything you have ever worked for your whole life. I won't pick up my camera for a penny without it anymore.

Matt
06/16/2009 07:20:52 AM · #37
Originally posted by motep:

“Why do photographers charge so much for services?”
Here is a good reason: //keiths.blog.keithbdixon.com/2009/05/18/“why-do-photographers-charge-so-much-for-services”


So is this spam??? This ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' motep person registers June 15th, then posts a message with a link to his "blog" which sounds like a sales pitch for himself...
Quite ingenious to spam in another thread... If it's not spam, I apologize.
06/16/2009 07:25:00 AM · #38
Originally posted by lky623:

Originally posted by motep:

“Why do photographers charge so much for services?”
Here is a good reason: //keiths.blog.keithbdixon.com/2009/05/18/“why-do-photographers-charge-so-much-for-services”


So is this spam??? This ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' motep person registers June 15th, then posts a message with a link to his "blog" which sounds like a sales pitch for himself...
Quite ingenious to spam in another thread... If it's not spam, I apologize.


I don't believe it to be spam. I've seen this exact excerpt several times. I've even seen some photogs post it on their own blogs.
06/16/2009 07:26:43 AM · #39
Originally posted by vawendy:

I did one wedding--I'll never do another one!

It was my sister's wedding. She didn't want to hire a photographer. She wasn't going to have pictures. I rented lights, did the pictures, they actually turned out well. The stress was unbelievable! What if they sucked? What if they didn't turn out? (it was film at the time).

The pictures are too important. My friend's favorite person in her family was her grandmother. The photographer messed up the role of film that had her grandmother in the shots. Her grandmother died shortly afterwards--she has no pictures. She didn't sue--she wouldn't. But it couldn't be fixed. And that's one of the things she thinks about when looking at her wedding pictures.


I agree COMPLETELY! I just can't build up the nerve to do them. The stress of studio photography is bad enough, but an environment that i can't control? NO WAY!
06/16/2009 08:38:47 AM · #40
Originally posted by lky623:

Originally posted by motep:

“Why do photographers charge so much for services?”
Here is a good reason: //keiths.blog.keithbdixon.com/2009/05/18/“why-do-photographers-charge-so-much-for-services”


So is this spam??? This ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' motep person registers June 15th, then posts a message with a link to his "blog" which sounds like a sales pitch for himself...
Quite ingenious to spam in another thread... If it's not spam, I apologize.

no, it is not spam. his post links to a nice, succinct overview of the differences between professional services and what you stand to get from well-equipped, well-intentioned, untrained, inexperienced camera-owners. his blog post is relevant to the context of the discussion in this thread. it would also appear that he, motep/dixon might also have more insights that could be useful here.

so why even call him out as a spammer, even if you want to apologize in advance? rather than thank him for his contribution, you want to slam him? just because his first post is to contribute some professional insight, you want to jump on him? not very gracious.

hopefully, he'll toss more relevant postings our way, whether through links or through other contributions.
06/16/2009 08:51:11 AM · #41
I charge a bit. But then again I also don't consider myself the average photographer. I think its all about how much your time is worth to you. Most people understand after they see my work why I charge what I charge. But I still consider myself below what the pros cost. They have more costs than I do, so they have to charge more.

It's no different than hiring a contractor to do your house. You know who are the good ones.
06/16/2009 08:59:27 AM · #42
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:

I charge a bit. But then again I also don't consider myself the average photographer. I think its all about how much your time is worth to you. Most people understand after they see my work why I charge what I charge. But I still consider myself below what the pros cost. They have more costs than I do, so they have to charge more.

It's no different than hiring a contractor to do your house. You know who are the good ones.


Just make sure you remember cost does not equal quality. I've seen some high priced photogs(even on this site) that I wouldn't hire to take snapshots of birthday parties, who run apparently successful business and charge alot of $$$ for what they do.

Matt

Message edited by author 2009-06-16 08:59:53.
06/16/2009 09:06:51 AM · #43
Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by lky623:

Originally posted by motep:

“Why do photographers charge so much for services?”
Here is a good reason: //keiths.blog.keithbdixon.com/2009/05/18/“why-do-photographers-charge-so-much-for-services”

So is this spam??? This ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' motep person registers June 15th, then posts a message with a link to his "blog" which sounds like a sales pitch for himself...
Quite ingenious to spam in another thread... If it's not spam, I apologize.

no, it is not spam. his post links to a nice, succinct overview of the differences between professional services and what you stand to get from well-equipped, well-intentioned, untrained, inexperienced camera-owners. his blog post is relevant to the context of the discussion in this thread. it would also appear that he, motep/dixon might also have more insights that could be useful here.

so why even call him out as a spammer, even if you want to apologize in advance? rather than thank him for his contribution, you want to slam him? just because his first post is to contribute some professional insight, you want to jump on him? not very gracious.

hopefully, he'll toss more relevant postings our way, whether through links or through other contributions.

Honestly, I wondered the same thing (if it was spam or a spyware link on the other end). What led me to wonder is the resurfacing of this thread after 2 1/2 years, and a brand new account with only this thread being posted to.

Yes, there could be a legit reason, but we have had a rash of spammers on DPC recently (SC has been on top of most of them). Makes one a bit wary...
06/16/2009 09:38:17 AM · #44
Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by JaimeVinas:

I charge a bit. But then again I also don't consider myself the average photographer. I think its all about how much your time is worth to you. Most people understand after they see my work why I charge what I charge. But I still consider myself below what the pros cost. They have more costs than I do, so they have to charge more.

It's no different than hiring a contractor to do your house. You know who are the good ones.


Just make sure you remember cost does not equal quality. I've seen some high priced photogs(even on this site) that I wouldn't hire to take snapshots of birthday parties, who run apparently successful business and charge alot of $$$ for what they do.

Matt


That is a true statement, however in most cases if you are charging less than what your quality is worth, then you are cheating yourself. And people will start thinking that your work is less stellar.

And in 85% of cases, the higher charging ones usually are worth their cost.

I am strong believer in "You get what you pay for" most of the time.
06/16/2009 09:53:55 AM · #45
Originally posted by glad2badad:

[snipped]... we have had a rash of spammers on DPC recently (SC has been on top of most of them). Makes one a bit wary...

and that's why we have the [report post] button ;-)

just like voting normally on a photo you suspect is dq'able, we can report posts that we believe to be spam without calling people out. let the sc be the bad guys; after all, isn't that their job ;-)

Message edited by author 2009-06-16 10:10:28.
06/16/2009 10:02:23 AM · #46
just FYI, we're reviewing the post. although it resurrected a dead thread, it is relevant.
06/16/2009 10:44:18 AM · #47
it's always bizarre to me when there is a 3 year lapse in a conversation then someone just picks right up again, message boards can be quirky.

Message edited by author 2009-06-16 10:45:23.
06/16/2009 12:36:41 PM · #48
Originally posted by smardaz:

it's always bizarre to me when there is a 3 year lapse in a conversation then someone just picks right up again,


Hmmm... kinda reminds me of those instances where I manage to either piss the missus off or forget something that is important to her.......Lord she can drag up past history.

Ray
06/16/2009 01:50:12 PM · #49
Originally posted by justine:

Personal Umbrella -Liability Insurance
small business coverage Amateur Photographers Insurance

https://www.towergate.co.uk/Camap/Default.htm
//www.bridalassociationofamerica.com/photographerInsurance/
//www.pdnonline.com/pdn/businesslegal/index.jsp


Insurance won't cover incompetence or lack of skill, etc. Hire someone to paint your house. He can do a really bad job but insurance won't cover 'workmanship' - it's way too open to interpretation.
Like you promise the bride a 'wedding album'. OK, you get her a MyPublisher book when she was thinking LeatherCraftsman. There are many ways to handle this, but your insurance won't be paying for it.

I've had a couple of fairly newbie photogs tell me how important PPA is- especially the bit about how their lawyers will defend you against claims. I told them 'so what' then they tell me stories how they've had clients come after them for various things. I don't know if they're finding really PITA clients or lack the ability to take decent photos, deliver what is promised, and deal with any issues (real or imaginary) a client may have.
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