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11/04/2003 06:05:25 PM · #1
I use PSP 8! I have and am learning Photoshop 6.
Nothing I like better with PSP is the Browse feature! EH?
11/04/2003 05:51:21 PM · #2
I prefer to spend my money as wisely as Richard Lynch does. And I prefer that those who choose not to do so refrain from trying to dictate things for the rest of us.
10/30/2003 06:21:13 AM · #3
Hi Richard, welcome to DPC. I just looked at the reviews of your book and they are all very good. I am looking forward to your book on Photoshop CS.
10/30/2003 06:15:47 AM · #4
I use both Photoshop (currently CS) and Elements (2) as my only image editing programs, and I use them both professionally and daily on Mac and PC.

Elements can serve to do anything you really need barring volume CMYK, heavy web graphics, and 16 bit support (it has Curves, CMYK, vector editing and a lot of other things people tout it not to). It can run actions you create in photoshop, so can serve as a production license for processing images. It is also great for people learning because there are fewer functions to confuse you with. I've created some add-ins that give you Curves, Color Balance, Channel Mixer, channels, mock LAB mode, vector editing, layer alignment, layer masks, and a ton of other stuff...some tools come with my book: The Hidden Power of Photoshop Elements 2, and others come from a free download on my website: //hiddenelements.com

Photoshop is certainly the more powerful of the two, but may actually be a waste of money if you are not doing some serious production work. New features in CS make it worth the upgrade for professionals (16 bit support, Layer Comps/saved histories, RAW support), more-so than I think Photoshop 6 and 7 did. I would definitely use Elements as a second license instead of buying two (or more). You can write actions in PS and play them in Elements. I show how to use some of the finer features of using CS in my new book The Hidden Power of Photoshop CS, which will be out in December.

I have used PSP, and think it is pretty good, but a major drawback for that program for me is no Mac support. I work in a dual platform environment. If that doesn't matter to you PSP is a fine choice.

My suggestion, more than which product you get, is to 1) not be ashamed of the product you use and aspire to anything because it is "the best", and 2) learn to use the program. Many people think that just by paying more you will get more...what you get is different ways to do things, and more processing power -- and more stuff to learn. If you are already short on time and want to do things faster, you'll have to have some time to devote to learning a more powerful program: your speed and images will not improve immediately. I find that as long as I have layers and accurate layer modes, I can do just about anything (including channel separations). Get the most out of the product you have and KNOW you need something more before you upgrade. An honest evaluation can save you money. With money I have saved using Elements, I have been able to upgrade equipment, which has provided a lot more power than bumping up to more PS licenses.

Hope that helps.

Richard Lynch
thebookdoc@aol.com
10/30/2003 04:02:04 AM · #5
I only have 1 program on my computer I payed for...
Crossover Office, which I went halves with someone on.
the rest of the software is all open-source... except photoshop, but when I was working for a graphic designer, they gave me a copy of 6, and 7 when it came out.

I'm not the pay for software type person, when IMO theres usually better options out there that are free, and you can actually work on and modify yourself if inclined..

if I wasn't given a copy myself, and force fed Photoshop from the start, I'd be happy with the gimp, but being the only program I have really used, is the only reason I continue to use it.
10/30/2003 02:20:35 AM · #6
I currently have Photoshop version 7.1, the company I work for pays for it so I can update as soon as each new version comes out. Soon to be updating to Photoshop CS, which I am looking forward to with its amazing new features. I have been using Photoshop since about version 4 and really couldn't do without it anymore.

I did try PhotoImpact for a while but just couldn't get into it as I could with Photoshop.
10/30/2003 02:11:50 AM · #7
psp 8. I like the auto fix feature. Easy and effective.
10/30/2003 12:56:19 AM · #8
psp 7

Message edited by author 2003-10-30 01:01:35.
10/30/2003 12:33:21 AM · #9
I have been using photoshop since Geez 1992 (or3) I think it was version 2.something when I started. I love Photoshop I have Ver 7.0 and love all the features. I like it because I'm used to it. I haven't really used anything else to edit photos. For me it's great because I can also apply Alpha channels and use clipped out images or text I create in video projects. Working in graphic design it is the standard for most graphic houses and agencies. (I guess I'm kinda partial) : )

Todd
10/30/2003 12:10:07 AM · #10
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I won't use illegal software. It wouldn't be any different that someone using my photographs for profit without paying me.


Maybe I missed something, but did someone mention obtainng software illegally?


Yes :)


I like PSP, it does a great job. And I purchased it.

I found PS7......floating on the internet. Its also awesome . So....what is better?

They both do about the same thing. Not sure there is an advantage to either.

Message edited by author 2003-10-30 00:14:06.
10/30/2003 12:02:52 AM · #11
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I won't use illegal software. It wouldn't be any different that someone using my photographs for profit without paying me.


Maybe I missed something, but did someone mention obtainng software illegally?


Yes :)

10/29/2003 09:10:26 PM · #12
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I won't use illegal software. It wouldn't be any different that someone using my photographs for profit without paying me.


Maybe I missed something, but did someone mention obtainng software illegally?
10/29/2003 08:30:53 PM · #13
I have PSE, but I think I'll "upgrade" to PS 7 or PS CS sometime. Since I am a graduate student, I get academic pricing on most software.
10/29/2003 08:24:02 PM · #14
Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I won't use illegal software. It wouldn't be any different that someone using my photographs for profit without paying me.


That's the reason I'm still using Element 2.0 but I'm pretty happy with it. Some plugins from books that I've purchase added to it.

Message edited by author 2003-10-29 20:24:38.
10/29/2003 08:21:13 PM · #15
I won't use illegal software. It wouldn't be any different that someone using my photographs for profit without paying me.
10/29/2003 08:13:08 PM · #16
I don't usually jump into these conversations but I have to speak out for Paint Shop Pro 8. I have used many (and I mean many) other editors but the cost and upgrade cost can't be beat for the power and versatility. With release 8 the power has been increased with the scripting to process my images to my specific selection of filters and settings for each. Last year I spent over 80 hours editing more than 300 images. The new capabilities of PSP 8 have more than cut this time in half not to mention I can walk away during the processing and let the computer do most of the work. If anyone would like to see some of my before and after work, just let me know I am always happy to share techniques and ideas. (I enjoy a challenge).

10/29/2003 08:08:00 PM · #17
I use PS7, will prolly upgrade to PS8 because I dearly want the 16-bit and RAW support. I agree regarding the awful price of PS, but it seems that the market is accepting of this, so who can argue?
I have posted this before, but will relate again how I bought PS7. I paid a total of US$210 for my copy, and it is a full, registered, legal copy. I first bought an unregistered copy of 4.0 on ebay, then upgraded to 7.0 for $149. Version 4 is the earliest version that can be directly upgraded to 7.0 for the $149 price. When purchasing a copy of the early version, NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

- It must be unregistered (I would not trust the transfer letter)
- It must be full version, not "LE"(LE is like Elements)
- It must not be an educational version
- It must be a retail version, not an OEM version(1)

(1) I'm referring to a version purchased through a volume license agreement.

It is still possible to purchase new unregisterec version 4.0 for around $US120; I checked completed items on e-bay. Total cost, then, would run <$300, as opposed to what, $600+?
10/29/2003 08:05:06 PM · #18
photoshop 7 is my editor of choice!
the gimp used to get me by in a push, but I prefer adobe.
10/29/2003 07:43:45 PM · #19
Originally posted by faidoi:

Photoshop Elements 2.0 because I can't afford the pricetag of Photoshop 7.0. Good setup for the novice. Couple of missing things like curves, masks, and editing tools, but it's got all the necessary stuff. Once you learn Elements you can easily graduate up to Photoshop with no problems.


to open up some more of Elements...try this. You are able to access some things available in the full version of PS through Elements.

Message edited by author 2003-10-29 19:44:46.
10/29/2003 07:41:35 PM · #20
If you cant justify spending the jack and refuse to steal it(yes there are a few of us) you have two choices IMO. If you want to be able to do as much as posible but dont plan to be an expert go with paintshop pro 8. If you really want to good you have to go with photoshop elements so that later on you dont have to relearn how to operate it. Photoshop is so much the industry standard.

Tim
10/29/2003 07:38:15 PM · #21
I am trying to adapt to photoshop 7 but I really prefer PSP 7 at this point. PSP 7 is really fast and I am familar with it.
10/29/2003 07:33:26 PM · #22
iPhoto and Graphic Converter.
10/29/2003 07:24:31 PM · #23
Originally posted by faidoi:

Photoshop Elements 2.0 because I can't afford the pricetag of Photoshop 7.0. Good setup for the novice. Couple of missing things like curves, masks, and editing tools, but it's got all the necessary stuff.

Once you learn Elements you can easily graduate up to Photoshop with no problems.


I'm in the same boat. I can't justify the money for PS so I use PS Elements. It works fine for me and it's easy to use.

10/29/2003 07:16:14 PM · #24
I used to use Photoshop for the complicated stuff, and Paintshop Pro (sensational software, especially for the proce) for the simple and more standard stuff.

Paintshop Pro has taken huge steps forward in recent releases, especially version 8. However, it has lost some of its simplicity, and I have now found myself using it less than I used to, as it has grown closer to Photoshop, so I may as well use Photoshop all the time now. (Good for PSP though for making such advances).

With Photoshop CS on the horizon though, and it's apparent improvements aimed at digital camera users (grrrrr, wish I'd known when I bought Capture One, although that is an excellent product anyway), I'll probably be leaning in time even more towards Photoshop.

I don't know Photoshop Elements, so can't comment on that, but if on a budget I can't praise Paintshop Pro enough, it is a great product.
10/29/2003 07:15:09 PM · #25
I've got Arcsoft PhotoStudio 2.0, MGI PhotoSuite 8.1, Photoshop 5, Paint Shop Pro 7 and Gimp for Windows. I haven't even started learning Gimp yet but of the others I find myself using Paint Shop most often. I don't see the sense in forking out the big bucks for Photoshop 8 until my skills and needs advance a lot more. The free one, Gimp, may hold the most promise for future developement as it is open source software. Irfanview is a free file manager that has loads of features.
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