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11/05/2003 11:11:33 AM · #1
I no longer see the winning swan image in the grace challenge. Does this mean there has been a disqualification again ?

I really hate it when this happens. Must be very frustrating to the person involved (although according to the rules).
11/05/2003 11:12:56 AM · #2
Frustrating for all involved.... and sad too.
A marvelous photo, however it was just learned there was spot-editing involved.
I am sure there will be an Admin Announcement.
11/05/2003 11:14:20 AM · #3
but that means dsidwell gets a ribbon! very nice image, that
11/05/2003 11:16:41 AM · #4
OH, thats a shame. I liked that shot. It was such a perfect shot for this challenge, I think it would have won even with flaws.
That's too bad.
11/05/2003 11:19:22 AM · #5
That's because proffessionals spot edit! They should just call this Point and Shoot challenge!

If you can achieve an effect in the darkroom or by the use of filters in camera, it should be allowed to use in Photoshop!

The rules should state that no one can enter a photo unless it's done with one of those disposable cameras with the digital option...
11/05/2003 11:26:19 AM · #6
Originally posted by MeThoS:

That's because proffessionals spot edit! They should just call this Point and Shoot challenge!

If you can achieve an effect in the darkroom or by the use of filters in camera, it should be allowed to use in Photoshop!

The rules should state that no one can enter a photo unless it's done with one of those disposable cameras with the digital option...


I wouldn't go that far. It's just that if the option is allowed then peope will take advantage and manipulate pictures to the point where it's completely different from the original. But I do feel that issues such as camera flaws and dead pixels should be allowed to be spot edited. Otherwise it give a huge advantage to those that can afford the higher priced cameras. Also, the use of dodging and burning should be allowed because that's a typical and common dark room technique.

Message edited by author 2003-11-05 11:28:21.
11/05/2003 11:27:25 AM · #7
Well, for now the rules are as stated, and we must act upon them as such.
11/05/2003 11:28:24 AM · #8
This photographer is new to DPC so I assume he didn't intentionally enter an illegal photo. I certainly hope he stays here. I read through some of his comments on the Grace submissions. He gave indepth, very helpful comments on a huge number of the entries.
11/05/2003 11:29:34 AM · #9
I do think it is a shame that these images get as far as first place and then get DQ'd...shouldn't the administering (double entendre intended) happen before a ribbon is awarded. I am not, I hasten to add, saying that it shouldn't happen after..if it is illegal it is illegal...but just that the process seems inordinately painful.

Message edited by author 2003-11-05 11:30:16.
11/05/2003 11:31:28 AM · #10
I think there must be a group of people who go over the winners with a fine toothed comb after the challenge. I'm not sure why, but it happens regularly.
11/05/2003 11:35:31 AM · #11
In this case, the photographer admitted to cloning out things from the photo.
11/05/2003 11:39:49 AM · #12
Originally posted by amsmyth:

I do think it is a shame that these images get as far as first place and then get DQ'd...shouldn't the administering (double entendre intended) happen before a ribbon is awarded. I am not, I hasten to add, saying that it shouldn't happen after..if it is illegal it is illegal...but just that the process seems inordinately painful.


Spot editing is very difficult to find. The truth is, we are all on the honor system for adhering to the rule against spot editing. The photo in question was disqualified only because the photographer, in explaining how the photo was captured, admitted to cloning out two floating objects -- an obvious violation of the restriction on spot editing. I don't think he was trying to cheat -- from his remarks it is obvious he didn't know the rules. Based on photographer comments I've read on a number of other submissions, I would say a sizable number of us are not aware of the spot editing restriction. Live and learn! :)
11/05/2003 11:42:22 AM · #13
Originally posted by JC Homola:

but that means dsidwell gets a ribbon! very nice image, that


Yeah, because we all know that dsidwell doesn't have enough ribbons already. I think he needs more. =) Just kidding.
11/05/2003 11:49:16 AM · #14
This has happened too often, I think. Perhaps the challenge voting should be limited to five days, then the photographers with the top 3 entries could be given 24 hours to submit the original for verification... leaving 24 hours for validation. Then maybe this wouldn't be such an issue.

Seems simple enough, but probably won't happen due to the administrative overhead involved.

Conversely, people could simply read the rules and comply.
11/05/2003 11:52:01 AM · #15
Unfortunately "Grace In Harmony" had to be disqualified from the Grace challenge. I disqualified it and immediately was told that I was 5 minutes late to a meeting. Thus the broken home page.

Fixed now. Congratulations to the new winners.
11/05/2003 11:53:53 AM · #16
He gets the benefit of the doubt as to whether it was intentional but the photo is rightly dq'ed. Just because the violation is found and the rules are enforced doesn't give rise to a need to change the rules. The system worked. And I'm kinda glad that "people .. go over the winners with a fine toothed comb after the challenge". They have proven their usefulness today. Congrats dsidwell.
11/05/2003 11:55:52 AM · #17
OOOPPPSSS!!! Guess who's not payin' attention!!!

Message edited by author 2003-11-05 11:59:01.
11/05/2003 11:58:15 AM · #18
Setz got a ribbon? Where?
11/05/2003 11:59:22 AM · #19
Originally posted by MeThoS:

That's because proffessionals spot edit! They should just call this Point and Shoot challenge!

If you can achieve an effect in the darkroom or by the use of filters in camera, it should be allowed to use in Photoshop!

The rules should state that no one can enter a photo unless it's done with one of those disposable cameras with the digital option...


What's the big deal? You take your photo, enter it into the challenge and receive comments on what may improve it. After the challenge you can spot edit the photo and manipulate it to your heart's desire, considering what the comments suggest. In a way, this is really what 'professionals' do. They'll make a print, look at it, perhaps even ask a colleague or two to give imput, and go back to adjust it either in the darkroom or in photoshop.
11/05/2003 11:59:57 AM · #20
My bad....following too many threads and got confused....NEED SLEEP BADLY!!!
11/05/2003 12:14:53 PM · #21
Originally posted by vonautsch:

Originally posted by MeThoS:

That's because proffessionals spot edit! They should just call this Point and Shoot challenge!

If you can achieve an effect in the darkroom or by the use of filters in camera, it should be allowed to use in Photoshop!

The rules should state that no one can enter a photo unless it's done with one of those disposable cameras with the digital option...


What's the big deal? You take your photo, enter it into the challenge and receive comments on what may improve it. After the challenge you can spot edit the photo and manipulate it to your heart's desire, considering what the comments suggest. In a way, this is really what 'professionals' do. They'll make a print, look at it, perhaps even ask a colleague or two to give imput, and go back to adjust it either in the darkroom or in photoshop.


Actually the problem is when you take a photo and edit it for the challenge then do another version of it and spot edit it for personal use and then upload the wrong one and don't notice it til it is to late.

Also I often wonder who all takes their chances and does some spot editing, like a little touch up on a blemish or a hot pixel. I really think a change of rules would solve a lot.
11/05/2003 12:41:18 PM · #22
Do all winner's have to submit a raw, original image after the voting is done? Or was this just something that was caught?
11/05/2003 12:47:45 PM · #23
G4Ds, I believe the photographer actually said that he cloned out some objects in the water in the 'details' section. He must have not known about the rule.
11/05/2003 12:48:05 PM · #24
Originally posted by vonautsch:

Originally posted by MeThoS:

That's because proffessionals spot edit! They should just call this Point and Shoot challenge!

If you can achieve an effect in the darkroom or by the use of filters in camera, it should be allowed to use in Photoshop!

The rules should state that no one can enter a photo unless it's done with one of those disposable cameras with the digital option...


What's the big deal? You take your photo, enter it into the challenge and receive comments on what may improve it. After the challenge you can spot edit the photo and manipulate it to your heart's desire, considering what the comments suggest. In a way, this is really what 'professionals' do. They'll make a print, look at it, perhaps even ask a colleague or two to give imput, and go back to adjust it either in the darkroom or in photoshop.



I personally don't let anybody look at it until I'm happy with it. Just like I used to never let anybody go through my trash after an editing session. I don't care if someone else thinks it's a good shot. If I don't like then it's not going to be shown. I'm an artist. I hate restrictions that impare my creativity. I'm not a photojournalist, but if I were, I'd still remove dust spots! That's why this rule is so idiotic. It's like requiring us all to use the same camera. I can shoot in raw mode on my 1Ds with a 500mm "IS" lens and it won't be fair to the people with just a point and shoot.

All I'm saying is that there should always be at least one member challenge that allows spot editing...
11/05/2003 12:57:03 PM · #25
Oh, thanks Trinch.
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