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02/20/2007 01:22:27 PM · #251
Yay Brookied! :)
02/20/2007 01:32:09 PM · #252
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The score isn't that great but I think based on the comments people are "getting" what I was trying to say. I think for this challenge that was more important to me than scoring high. (Though it would be nice to get over 5)

Anyways...
02/20/2007 02:11:24 PM · #253
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still at 3 comments :(

PB for me so far, i want to break the 6.0 mark though as that would be my 2nd goal for '07
02/20/2007 03:08:54 PM · #254
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Getting close to my PB. It will crash and burn!
02/20/2007 03:14:02 PM · #255
Originally posted by surfinbird:

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Getting close to my PB. It will crash and burn!


It seems like this challenge was in your alley... you'll do fine :)
02/20/2007 03:20:04 PM · #256
I put in a last rushed minute entry but it seems to be scoring fair?
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02/20/2007 03:32:15 PM · #257
Originally posted by jblaylockrayner:

I put in a last rushed minute entry but it seems to be scoring fair?
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Well that's quite close, Jeff:

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An I wanted to withdraw mine at the last minute as I was (and still am) not quite happy with my picture. Quite less unhappy now though, given the score...

Message edited by author 2007-02-20 15:35:45.
02/20/2007 04:23:51 PM · #258
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02/20/2007 04:38:25 PM · #259
ooh boy.

started at a 5.94 this morning.
down to a 5.83 now.

Boooooooo.

ETA*** HAHA. Someone must have heard me complaining.
Just went up to a 5.86. COME ON HIGH VOTERS!! SHOW ME SOME LOOOOOOVE!!!

Message edited by author 2007-02-20 16:42:05.
02/20/2007 08:17:14 PM · #260
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I might just make it over 6.
02/21/2007 01:22:17 PM · #261
Rant Alert! There are some great shots in this challenge, some pretty ordinary ones, and some that are downright boring.

Taking a picture of strangers is a good way to overcome your fear of street photography but it does not, in and of itself, make good street photography. I've seen too many pictures of strangers sitting around doing nothing, or, even worse, the backs of strangers heads doing nothing at all. There are some jewels in there (including back of head shots), but a lot of duds as well.

To me, the essence of street photography is in capturing a moment in time that illuminates the human condition; something that shows emotion, or catches someone off guard, or raises a question in the viewer's mind. In short, an image that tells, or implies, a story. Sometimes, capturing that moment requires a sacrifice in technical precision, such that an image with a soft focus or tilted horizon is ultimately better than the one you'd catch a moment later, once the focus was set and the camera was level. In voting on this challenge, a picture that told a story got a minimum of a 6 from me regardless of the technicals, whereas a pretty picture that told no story got no more than a 6.

Nor does street photography require black & white, just because the photographers who first started doing it used B&W. The widespread use of B&W had as much to do, imho, with the speed and quality of films available when people like Cartier-Bresson were inventing the art than a deliberate artistic choice that color has no place in the street. If B&W improves the image, then by all means use it. But I see a lot of shots in the current challenge that appear to have been desaturated simply out of a belief that that is the way street photography is done (or perhaps a fear that is what the voters will think is required.)

Lest you think I'm a troll, I've handed out many 6s 7s 8s 9s and 10s. I was actually motivated to write this by some negative technical comments by daughter received on her image, which seemed to place more of an emphasis on ultra-sharp focus over the image itself and the story it told. Call me an ultra-sensitive dad if you want ... but please not a troll!
02/21/2007 04:00:29 PM · #262
Disclaimer ~ This post has nothing to do with the scores ~

An interesting thing happened a bit ago while going back in to make some comments in this challenge:
I stopped looking at this as a challenge, and sat here in appreciation for what this challenge is doing - it's taking me, to your world, your neighborhoods, your cities, your lives. Each new image in queue is something new to absorb. It's a chance to see the life in so many different locations, pretty much all of which I will never get the opportunity to see in person.

This slowed my comments down to a snail's pace, but I am enjoying being absorbed into your parts of the world, and it's getting me to study the images on a much deeper level.

Thanks to all that entered and that are taking me on this virtual trip.
02/21/2007 04:03:50 PM · #263
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eh
02/21/2007 04:31:45 PM · #264
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02/21/2007 04:34:18 PM · #265
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Still hanging my hopes on a '6' score outta this one.
A girl's gotta dream, people.....make it happen for her! :)
02/21/2007 04:43:53 PM · #266
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:

Rant Alert! ...I was actually motivated to write this by some negative technical comments by daughter received on her image, which seemed to place more of an emphasis on ultra-sharp focus over the image itself and the story it told....


Hi there E.E. I surely do understand where you are coming from but at the same time I feel a little defensive concerning your statement. I've left more comments for this challenge than I ever have before and sometimes I mention sharpness (or lack of it). Of course I have no way to know if I have commented on your daughter's entry. But when I don't think a photo succeeds and I give it a lower score, I think that I should also explain the reasons why. I have even wondered at times whether a particular photo was submitted by a youngster, knowing that there are many who do, but I can't assume so when commenting. Like most, I just say what I think. If it's a kid on the receiving end, hopefully there will be a parent in the background to help them learn to deal with well-intentioned criticism, even if they don't necessarily agree with it.

I bet there are a half-dozen other posts in this thread that say something like "I'm disappointed with my score, I wish people would comment and tell me why". I guess that's what prompted me to respond to your post, I think that commenting on the negatives within an image is important and shouldn't be discouraged. Best to you, my friend. _Ray
02/21/2007 04:55:54 PM · #267
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:

Rant Alert! There are some great shots in this challenge, some pretty ordinary ones, and some that are downright boring.

Taking a picture of strangers is a good way to overcome your fear of street photography but it does not, in and of itself, make good street photography. I've seen too many pictures of strangers sitting around doing nothing, or, even worse, the backs of strangers heads doing nothing at all. There are some jewels in there (including back of head shots), but a lot of duds as well.

To me, the essence of street photography is in capturing a moment in time that illuminates the human condition; something that shows emotion, or catches someone off guard, or raises a question in the viewer's mind. In short, an image that tells, or implies, a story. Sometimes, capturing that moment requires a sacrifice in technical precision, such that an image with a soft focus or tilted horizon is ultimately better than the one you'd catch a moment later, once the focus was set and the camera was level. In voting on this challenge, a picture that told a story got a minimum of a 6 from me regardless of the technicals, whereas a pretty picture that told no story got no more than a 6.

Nor does street photography require black & white, just because the photographers who first started doing it used B&W. The widespread use of B&W had as much to do, imho, with the speed and quality of films available when people like Cartier-Bresson were inventing the art than a deliberate artistic choice that color has no place in the street. If B&W improves the image, then by all means use it. But I see a lot of shots in the current challenge that appear to have been desaturated simply out of a belief that that is the way street photography is done (or perhaps a fear that is what the voters will think is required.)

Lest you think I'm a troll, I've handed out many 6s 7s 8s 9s and 10s. I was actually motivated to write this by some negative technical comments by daughter received on her image, which seemed to place more of an emphasis on ultra-sharp focus over the image itself and the story it told. Call me an ultra-sensitive dad if you want ... but please not a troll!


All though i agree with a lot of your comments in my opinion i think Street Photography works better as a B&W shot. Colour works in very little cases, in fact my first edit was a colour shot and i withdrew it for that reason. It worked as a colour shot but lacked punch as a Street shot. In fact i saw only two images in this challenge that were colour and that were high scores.
A lot of images like you pointed out seem to have been converted to B&W very lazily or with poor execution. This i think could be avoided with a little better use of post edit programs.

A lot of people here i could see producing some great shots in the future, Street Photography is a passion of mine and i dont do it nearly enough. but to take a shot of random people just does not work.

Think of the story you are trying to tell.

I hope with my comments i have not offended anybody and if i have i apologies it was not my intent. IF anybody is offended please PM me or contact me on the im's below so i can explain better my comment to you.

Cheers
D
02/21/2007 04:59:21 PM · #268
Hey Ray ... no worries. My daughter has a thick skin and laughs off comments she doesn't agree with. I wasn't aiming to put anyone on the defensive, especially people that took the time to explain why they gave a low vote. I'd never suggest that people should edit their comments based on who might be on the receiving end; the honesty of an opinion on an anonymous image is what makes this site great! So my apologies to you or anyone else who felt singled out by my rant. My rant wasn't directed at complaining about her score or the comments, but towards wondering whether voters were overvaluing technicals over the moment of capture in this challenge.

Message edited by author 2007-02-21 17:02:03.
02/21/2007 05:12:00 PM · #269
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I knew that 6.3+ wouldn't last. HELP ME beat my PB. I only need 6.29!
02/21/2007 05:52:59 PM · #270
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I was hoping for a 6+ but sure doesn't look like it will make it.
02/21/2007 05:58:59 PM · #271
Has anyone else got a comment from a Baghead with a url in the comment?
02/21/2007 06:01:30 PM · #272
well here is to all the people with at least a 6. score right now hoping to go higher...I'd trade you in a minute.

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I mentally debated for a long time as to which of 4 images to submit. guess I chose wrong again or people are seeing the subtle message in the image...oh well learn from your mistakes...and with as many mistakes I make, I should be an expert real soon lol.

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estimatedeyes...I totally agree. I see a lot of shots that almost appear posed or setup and don't think they belong here...just my opinion. I also feel some of the colors work, while I have commented to some of them that I think they would work better in b/w I haven't reduced their score cause of it. There are a lot of truly wonderful images in this challenge right next to (or above) ones that probably could have used more thought process.
02/21/2007 06:42:31 PM · #273
Originally posted by Wildcard:

Has anyone else got a comment from a Baghead with a url in the comment?


YEP!!! Kinda defeats the purpose :)

02/21/2007 07:03:47 PM · #274
Originally posted by Wildcard:

Has anyone else got a comment from a Baghead with a url in the comment?


Yes, I think that she was promoting her image on another site ... that comment has since been removed ... I'm assuming by SC ... thanks guys!
02/21/2007 07:43:11 PM · #275
I really thought that this one would score higher....

Oh well.
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