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04/10/2007 01:21:14 PM · #1
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04/10/2007 01:23:23 PM · #2
What?
04/10/2007 01:27:13 PM · #3
please, never mind, wrong thread
sorry :)

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 13:34:43.
04/10/2007 01:27:33 PM · #4
I bet some were meant to go in the Nature gallery, but nude got selected by accident. As for some of the others, in my opinion if they aren't nudes they should not be in the gallery....someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.
04/10/2007 01:30:32 PM · #5
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

....someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


Should they? Or should there be a designated gallery to hide photos you really don't want viewed? Don't we all have images we're ashamed of and would like hidden?
04/10/2007 01:30:33 PM · #6
I would hope that if someone realizes that an image was put in the wrong gallery, they should please report it to SC via a ticket, not in public like this.

04/10/2007 01:33:08 PM · #7
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


It's easy to say, "SC should do this, SC should do that." I think that most users here are grown-up enough to do the right thing, including not putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery. I don't think it is SC's place to start "patrolling" the galleries.
04/10/2007 01:50:35 PM · #8
Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


It's easy to say, "SC should do this, SC should do that." I think that most users here are grown-up enough to do the right thing, including not putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery. I don't think it is SC's place to start "patrolling" the galleries.


I don't understand why someone should be reported for having something in a gallery that someone else feels doesn't belong in the first place. Isn't it subjective? I have an ape in the nude gallery. It was put there for humor. I put a story in the details that explains why it was put there. Is this wrong? If so, why? Are there rules about this somewhere? I'm very confused here. I see a ribbon winning picture of pencils in the nude gallery. I don't see the connection, but what's the harm?
04/10/2007 01:53:33 PM · #9
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


It's easy to say, "SC should do this, SC should do that." I think that most users here are grown-up enough to do the right thing, including not putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery. I don't think it is SC's place to start "patrolling" the galleries.


I don't understand why someone should be reported for having something in a gallery that someone else feels doesn't belong in the first place. Isn't it subjective? I have an ape in the nude gallery. It was put there for humor. I put a story in the details that explains why it was put there. Is this wrong? If so, why? Are there rules about this somewhere? I'm very confused here. I see a ribbon winning picture of pencils in the nude gallery. I don't see the connection, but what's the harm?


People abuse the nude gallery to get more image views so it is frowned upon.
04/10/2007 01:57:28 PM · #10
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


It's easy to say, "SC should do this, SC should do that." I think that most users here are grown-up enough to do the right thing, including not putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery. I don't think it is SC's place to start "patrolling" the galleries.


I don't understand why someone should be reported for having something in a gallery that someone else feels doesn't belong in the first place. Isn't it subjective? I have an ape in the nude gallery. It was put there for humor. I put a story in the details that explains why it was put there. Is this wrong? If so, why? Are there rules about this somewhere? I'm very confused here. I see a ribbon winning picture of pencils in the nude gallery. I don't see the connection, but what's the harm?


(1) Site Council can't move images from one gallery to another - that is a member priviledge.

(2) I don't think "nudes" is all that subjective. A flower is not a nude. Yes, you could make a philosophical argument that it is, but for most people's perception it isn't. If you have an ape in the nude gallery, I would kindly ask you to move it, it belongs in the "animals" gallery.

Look, the galleries are there as a way to group similar images so that users can better find the images they're looking for. If I'm looking for apes, I'm certainly not going to go to the "Nudes" gallery, but the "Animals", possibly "Nature". It is common courtesy to put images in the right gallery.

Putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery has been used as a way to get more views. Nudes get a lot more views than most any other images.

If someone wants to "not see" their image anymore, put it in the "Workshop". It's hidden for the most part, unless directly linked to. If it is a challenge entry, it will still show on the results page - it is part of the history here. But it won't show in the user's portfolio.

04/10/2007 01:59:40 PM · #11
Looks to me like someone spent a lot of time looking through all of the nudes!!!

hmmmmmmm........
04/10/2007 02:03:11 PM · #12
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

....someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


Should they? Or should there be a designated gallery to hide photos you really don't want viewed? Don't we all have images we're ashamed of and would like hidden?


Use your workshop for that, don't put it in the gallery that has the most views!!!
04/10/2007 02:03:54 PM · #13
Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


It's easy to say, "SC should do this, SC should do that." I think that most users here are grown-up enough to do the right thing, including not putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery. I don't think it is SC's place to start "patrolling" the galleries.


Well excuse me. I didn't know we had the option of reporting a photo that was in the wrong gallery. And as for users being "grown up" enough to do the right thing and not put non-nude photos in the nude gallery, that was just disproven.

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 14:05:41.
04/10/2007 02:06:34 PM · #14
And if anyone is claiming that this is just another instance of SC showing favouritism, my first reaction is, "suit yourselves." There isn't much I or anyone else can do to change someone's mind once it's made up.

I'd like to say, SC is trying their best to be fair and unbiased. It is very disheartening to have people claim lack of fairness. At times it almost seems like people are trying to figure out how to "set up" SC, so they can finally show how terribly biased we are. Instead of making claims of favouritism, why not just move the images in question to their proper galleries, and, if anyone is that bothered by someone else having the wrong image in the wrong gallery, report it. If we know something is wrong, we will try to rectify it.

04/10/2007 02:07:34 PM · #15
I think the question here, Ursula, is what the SC does if they notice a non-nude in the nudes gallery.

I know of two occasions when people have been asked by SC to move images and then had their DPC membership suspended if they refused. I'll leave it to the SC to decide the enforcement mechanism, although I might be alone in that.

What I think is more universally of concern, though, is the appearance of uneven enforcement, like someone being asked to move an image by SC and then not being suspended.

Perhaps it would be best, in cases of suspension, for there to be one person to administer all of them, to ensure rules are enforced evenly across the board? I can imagine how easy it is for things to fall through the cracks if different people are enforcing different cases of inappropriate gallery choices.

Thanks.
04/10/2007 02:07:52 PM · #16
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by ursula:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

someone on SC should monitor all the galleries and move those that don't belong.


It's easy to say, "SC should do this, SC should do that." I think that most users here are grown-up enough to do the right thing, including not putting non-nudes in the Nude gallery. I don't think it is SC's place to start "patrolling" the galleries.


Well excuse me. I didn't know we had the option of reporting a photo that was in the wrong gallery. And as for users being "grown up" enough to do the right thing and not put non-nude photos in the nude gallery, that was just disproven.


Karen, "most" users are grown up enough. You are. Please don't get all huffy on me. I think most users are also aware that there are a number of ways to reports things privately. But it isn't Site Council's place to patrol the galleries.
04/10/2007 02:11:23 PM · #17
Originally posted by levyj413:

I think the question here, Ursula, is what the SC does if they notice a non-nude in the nudes gallery.

I know of two occasions when people have been asked by SC to move images and then had their DPC membership suspended if they refused. I'll leave it to the SC to decide the enforcement mechanism, although I might be alone in that.

What I think is more universally of concern, though, is the appearance of uneven enforcement, like someone being asked to move an image by SC and then not being suspended.

Perhaps it would be best, in cases of suspension, for there to be one person to administer all of them, to ensure rules are enforced evenly across the board? I can imagine how easy it is for things to fall through the cracks if different people are enforcing different cases of inappropriate gallery choices.

Thanks.


If we are aware that a non-nude image is in the Nude gallery, we contact the user and make a note for everyone on SC to be aware of it. We try to work quietly with the person in question, and in most cases the person complies and moves the image.

If the person refuses, we then again try to work with the person and let them know we can take action such as suspend from participation until they move the image.

If the person still refuses, we then can go ahead and take action.

Action doesn't necessarily follow the same timeline for every situation.

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 14:13:31.
04/10/2007 02:12:15 PM · #18
Somebody call the WAAAAbulance again. I can't believe you people don't have better things to worry about. Most people could really care less if there is a flower or an ape in the damn nude section. Some people just aren't happy I guess unless they are complaining about something.
04/10/2007 02:16:25 PM · #19
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

I can't believe you people don't have better things to worry about.


Perhaps you should read the entire thread before posting. The concern isn't just non-nudes in the nudes gallery, but uneven enforcement of rules leading to suspension. In fact, my personal concern is solely the latter.
04/10/2007 02:22:53 PM · #20
Originally posted by ursula:


(2) I don't think "nudes" is all that subjective. A flower is not a nude. Yes, you could make a philosophical argument that it is, but for most people's perception it isn't. If you have an ape in the nude gallery, I would kindly ask you to move it, it belongs in the "animals" gallery.


In the case of this animal, I thought it was very subjective. That's what the story was all about. Two parents were at the zoo and were viewing this animal and having a fit about the fact that their children were viewing "monkey porn" (their words). The body of an ape very closely resembles the human form. They are not wearing clothes. (But are wearing fur). Personally, I don't feel that they are naked, but I can assure you that there are parents who don't agree! I can also assure you that there are people on this site who are so conservative that they probably agree with those parents. I was making a humorous point.

Also, what makes a nude a nude? Is it a bare back? A breast? Does it need to be the whole body? I do think it is subjective. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm just trying to determine who makes the final designation.

FWIW - I just went and removed the nude designation on my ape. Sorry, my bad! But, do you really want someone going through and policing the galleries and requesting that people remove their designations?
04/10/2007 02:25:31 PM · #21
Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

I can't believe you people don't have better things to worry about.


Perhaps you should read the entire thread before posting. The concern isn't just non-nudes in the nudes gallery, but uneven enforcement of rules leading to suspension. In fact, my personal concern is solely the latter.


Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Upon re-reading the entire thread I've changed my position. So on second thought it now looks more like a tattle-tale thread. Somebody got in trouble for having their photos in the wrong gallery and now they are policing the galleries looking for violaters and exposing them in public. Like I said, somebody call the WAAAbulance.
04/10/2007 02:26:49 PM · #22
Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

I can't believe you people don't have better things to worry about.


Perhaps you should read the entire thread before posting. The concern isn't just non-nudes in the nudes gallery, but uneven enforcement of rules leading to suspension. In fact, my personal concern is solely the latter.


It is not a "rule", it is forum policy. I'll post the section dealing with the Nude Gallerey here:

"On a related note, it has recently been brought to our attention that many users are assigning non-nude photographs to the Nude gallery in order to gain additional image views. As always, abuse of any site feature is not tolerated. If you choose to assign your images to galleries, you MUST do so accurately, so the gallery categories are useful to viewers. Those who choose to abuse this feature risk additional action, including official warnings or suspension of account privileges."

Note that it doesn't say people will be suspended. It's not a rule, it's a guideline. But even with that, I know we are trying to be fair and apply the guideline without favouritism.

As Frisca pointed out in a totally different situation, "All flexibility in the rule of law always goes to the benefit of the accused." I'd like to keep that in mind here also.

If we are aware of non-nude images in the Nude gallery, we will work at rectifying the situation. The timeline is not going to be the same in each case, it never is.

04/10/2007 02:27:49 PM · #23
Originally posted by NstiG8tr:


Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Upon re-reading the entire thread I've changed my position. So on second thought it now looks more like a tattle-tale thread. Somebody got in trouble for having their photos in the wrong gallery and now they are policing the galleries looking for violaters and exposing them in public. Like I said, somebody call the WAAAbulance.


You have just made my favorite photographers list.
04/10/2007 02:29:49 PM · #24
Originally posted by BAMartin:

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:


Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Upon re-reading the entire thread I've changed my position. So on second thought it now looks more like a tattle-tale thread. Somebody got in trouble for having their photos in the wrong gallery and now they are policing the galleries looking for violaters and exposing them in public. Like I said, somebody call the WAAAbulance.


You have just made my favorite photographers list.


Because of what he said? How does that make him a good photographer?
04/10/2007 02:30:39 PM · #25
Nope, but I know of no other way to show my respect for him on this site.
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