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04/11/2007 12:28:52 AM · #1
The whole idea behind fixing noise in High ISO is to overexpose so the shadows arent there, when I shoot 1600-3200 ISO which I do alot shooting for the paper I meter for +2/3 in manual mode and dont have an issue with noise. Proper exposure makes noise a non issue 90% of the time.

MattO
04/11/2007 12:20:35 AM · #2
Originally posted by MattO:

Originally posted by Ecce Signum:


I own the 1dMKIIn and when it comes to low light/high ISO I'll pick the 20D up every time! in fact the old 300D would probably out shoot the 1dMKIIn at high ISO. As for build quality and with decent light the 1d just blows everything else out of the water :)


Really? you have issues with the 1DMKIIn and noise?

3200 ISO sample.

MattO


They said Low Light High ISO. That room is lit. Its not lit enough for action shooting at any other iso. But the noise will come out if the light drops. Unfrotunatly im not fortunate enough to own one to have personal experience. But I've seen a handful of slr's that will shoot indoors with low noise and then outdoor evening the noise stirs up.

Then again lack of personal experience with that end of dSLR's may have me thinking wrong.
04/10/2007 09:16:14 PM · #3
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Megatherian:

Originally posted by rswank:

Anyone have links to good Canon/Nikon low light comparisons?
Specifically the 5D and D200
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/page21.asp


Yeah, the 5d even beats the 1dsMKII, that's pretty low noise. At least the D200 residual noise looks like film grain now instead of digital chunks of purple crap.


I own the 1dMKIIn and when it comes to low light/high ISO I'll pick the 20D up every time! in fact the old 300D would probably out shoot the 1dMKIIn at high ISO. As for build quality and with decent light the 1d just blows everything else out of the water :)


Really? you have issues with the 1DMKIIn and noise?

3200 ISO sample.

MattO
04/10/2007 07:39:14 PM · #4
Originally posted by wavelength:

You might think about waiting for the D3x, it's not guaranteed, but with the noise issues being fixed on the D200 and subsequently the D80 and D40/x, I can't imagine Nikon is going to take it sitting on their hands much longer.

Rumor is, Full frame 17-22mp with high-speed crop, microlenses like the new leicas that reduce vignetting.

Cool/exciting rumors, but still rumors.


Yeah and unfortunaly that goes along with the 1Ds Mark III rumor of being 22mp. Itll most likley be 10 or slightly more. Larger pixel count only hurts shooting performance. One of many reasons for canon to have kept the Mark III at 10.

My point and shoot is 8 and theirs an identical model thats 10. Literally the same camera and the larger sensor brings the continous rate down to pointless.
04/10/2007 07:33:45 PM · #5
You've got a great lens collection. I would have REALLY hard time justifying the switch even if I had money for it. Rumors has it Nikon working on full frame. I'm waiting for it....
04/10/2007 07:17:33 PM · #6
Originally posted by fir3bird:

How easy to change over? Pretty easy.
Just let me send you my address and you send me all your equipment. Keep the tripods, bags, etc. That'll all still work. I really would hate for you to have to put up with the high noise. I'm pretty used to it. So, say the word, I'm ready for the equipment. When I get the D2X and lens I'll let some other member have my D200 and Sigma 180mm Macro. Pay it forward my friend.


As soon as the D2X arrives, you can send me the D200 :-)
04/10/2007 06:29:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by yakatme:


BTW, I've been thinking that maybe I should have gone for the D2X instead of the D80 and I might be interested in yours when you are ready.


look me up when the D3X comes out. ;)
04/10/2007 06:06:09 PM · #8
To me the change isn't that hard, I've hardly shot canon but now I shoot with mark IIn's at work sometimes.

I personally like the noise qualities on the newer Nikon's. Images shot in the dark that look really clean don't look as real to me ... but that's just preference.

I will say this though, as nice as it is having a bigger, cleaner image than the D1h's I usually have to use ... the Nikon lenses still seem sharper to me (not that I really care as long as it is actually in focus) and the cameras are easier to change the settings you need to on the fly.

It just depends on your purpose, but the switch really isn't that hard. The biggest thing is that the flash cards go in the other way and the zoom direction is the opposite.
04/10/2007 06:05:00 PM · #9
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by Megatherian:

Originally posted by rswank:

Anyone have links to good Canon/Nikon low light comparisons?
Specifically the 5D and D200
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/page21.asp


Yeah, the 5d even beats the 1dsMKII, that's pretty low noise. At least the D200 residual noise looks like film grain now instead of digital chunks of purple crap.


I own the 1dMKIIn and when it comes to low light/high ISO I'll pick the 20D up every time! in fact the old 300D would probably out shoot the 1dMKIIn at high ISO. As for build quality and with decent light the 1d just blows everything else out of the water :)


04/10/2007 05:54:26 PM · #10
How easy to change over? Pretty easy.
Just let me send you my address and you send me all your equipment. Keep the tripods, bags, etc. That'll all still work. I really would hate for you to have to put up with the high noise. I'm pretty used to it. So, say the word, I'm ready for the equipment. When I get the D2X and lens I'll let some other member have my D200 and Sigma 180mm Macro. Pay it forward my friend.
04/10/2007 05:30:09 PM · #11
Are you thinking of a 30D/5D or the 1D bodies? The 5D is considered a pro body by canon , but the controls, brains, interface at is the same as teh 30D - the 5D is one stop cleaner on noise than the 30D - 3200 ISO is useable on the 5D.

The 1D bodies are a different animal, more robust build, weather sealed, take different batteries, different interface, etc. The new 1D mk3 is more user friendly like the 30D/5D line but keeps the flexibility and customization of the 1D line - TONS of custom functions, 5 custom WB, live preview on the polaroid-sized LCD, battery life of 2200 shots and lots more.

If you shoot a lot go for a FF body then you may have a transition on the FOV of your lenses as 16mm is 16mm and very wide and you lose some on the tele end.

As others have said the D200 and 80 have much better high-iso noise images than the older Nikons.
04/10/2007 04:34:39 PM · #12
Go back to film...

its sharper than digital, scan it in and edit it that way. my point is digital has flaws one of the many has always been the sharpness of images. now it could be that in the camera body you have selected soft setting by misstake, i used to have to riffal through peoples setting all the time when i worked for wolf and 9 times out of ten they had got them selves into the wrong shooting mode. keep in mind digital images are not very sharp to begin with it is the in camera softwhere that takes and does some prossessing to the image before you ever see it on the review screen. So no digital is as sharp as film they can be made to be but if your under the wrong set of settings....you get the idea

the other thing you can do is take a string hang some clips from it and shoot right down it, stage the clips as close as the lens will focus, in the middle, and at the far end. Go from focusing on one to the other to the other and see where the images a blury....if everything is alittle off check with another of you lenses, with a simular focal length, and see if it is the same. If it's not then send the lens back to nikon (the 5 year coverage should take care of it), and if they come out the same its the body...and i would see about what firmwhere you have/are running, and maybe have someone look at it.

thats all i can say about focus issues. it could just be the digital problem which has only one way of correction go back to film. or fall in love with the highpass filter in PS.

as for switching i have a good friend who is an AP photog. he got a ton of extra cash for equipment and already owns 2 d2x bodies and a d2h so he spent his $50,000 extrat pay on two Mark 2s and as many lenses as he wanted...he still shoots with his nikons for his own reasons, but he liked somethings about the canon...he made the switch very fast and can shoot with one and then the other....when i asked him about moving to canon he said, Its up to you how much the areas they cover and are good at matter, he has never cared about noise and likes the optics better with nikon so he is staying with them (but now he is a "Nicanonien").

anyhow i would say stick with what you are invested in. Nasa has had a contract with nikon since the 70s, and has never switched for 35mm cameras, they take Hblads for 120mm, and the D2Xs is standard.

btw the d2Xs has a redesigned focusing softwhere in it that makes it sharper than you current camera so check into that if you really want to move anywhere fast or....
i did talk with my nikon rep. before i left wolf not too long ago, and he told me not to buy a d2Xs... because their next pro move was going to "kick ass"...he didn't tell me why or when or anything else....he did say they wern't thinking of going full frame b/c they are to invested in the DX lenses...and he also said that he throught that it wouldn't last long in their competitors cameras...he wouldn't say why, again...but look at the Mark3....its not full frame......

;O)

_bran(the VII all shoot canon and they are the best)do_

Message edited by author 2007-04-10 16:45:21.
04/10/2007 03:54:52 PM · #13
Thanks for all the advice - Anyone have any info on the quality of sharpness etc - I am finding that my pics are a little soft on the D2 X - All my lenses are Nikon but the 80-200 VR jobby seems to focus just beyond the main subject?
04/10/2007 02:24:42 PM · #14
Originally posted by yakatme:

' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kiwiness might be able to answer some of these questions for you. I know that he made a major switch between the two manufacturers last year. He's showing Nikon as his primary camera now, but he also lists a Canon DSLR on his profile page.


He primarily uses the D200 and Anastasia uses the Canon stuff (used to be the other way round).
I shot with/handled the D70, D200, 350D and the 5D lately. The change from the D70 to the D200 was just as big as from D70 to 5D. I wouldn't worry much about how easy it is to change. Just give yourself a couple of days to learn where all the controls are and you're good to go.

Want to add that the 350D had horrible low light focus quality compared to the D70. I liked the 5D just as much as the D200, with a slight preference for the 5D perhaps.


04/10/2007 02:02:51 PM · #15
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kiwiness might be able to answer some of these questions for you. I know that he made a major switch between the two manufacturers last year. He's showing Nikon as his primary camera now, but he also lists a Canon DSLR on his profile page.

BTW, I've been thinking that maybe I should have gone for the D2X instead of the D80 and I might be interested in yours when you are ready.
04/10/2007 02:02:39 PM · #16
Originally posted by Megatherian:

Originally posted by rswank:

Anyone have links to good Canon/Nikon low light comparisons?
Specifically the 5D and D200
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/page21.asp

Bah!
Real world comparisons, those DPReview lab tests don't do much for me.
I'm talking sun peaking through the blinds with the lights out at 7pm f/1.8 iso 800 kinda comparisons.

(thanks tho)
04/10/2007 02:01:22 PM · #17
Originally posted by Megatherian:

Originally posted by rswank:

Anyone have links to good Canon/Nikon low light comparisons?
Specifically the 5D and D200
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/page21.asp


Yeah, the 5d even beats the 1dsMKII, that's pretty low noise. At least the D200 residual noise looks like film grain now instead of digital chunks of purple crap.
04/10/2007 01:57:36 PM · #18
Originally posted by rswank:

Anyone have links to good Canon/Nikon low light comparisons?
Specifically the 5D and D200
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/page21.asp
04/10/2007 01:49:00 PM · #19
Anyone have links to good Canon/Nikon low light comparisons?
Specifically the 5D and D200
04/10/2007 01:47:01 PM · #20
You might think about waiting for the D3x, it's not guaranteed, but with the noise issues being fixed on the D200 and subsequently the D80 and D40/x, I can't imagine Nikon is going to take it sitting on their hands much longer.

Rumor is, Full frame 17-22mp with high-speed crop, microlenses like the new leicas that reduce vignetting.

Cool/exciting rumors, but still rumors.
04/10/2007 01:25:00 PM · #21
The only thing that would bother me is the location of the controls.

For example: on Nikon lenses you turn the ring one way to zoom/focus whereas on Canon lenses it's the opposite direction.

I'm sure it's something you could get used to though.

... and since you didn't mention this about using the Canon it's probably not an issue for you.
04/10/2007 01:21:43 PM · #22
OK - I am thinking of going big guns here and changing all my Nikon gear to Canon - Gulp! I have been using Nikon since I can remember and they have always been good. I did however borrow a Canon set up the other day and shot that against my Nikon in low light at a show. The Canon blew the Nikon away with both quality and the noise. I also feel the Nikon stuff is a bit sharper and has more depth. My question is has anyone done the change from Nikon to Canon - I just know in certain situations I need to adjust my camera without even looking at it. Soooooo any idea's as to which pro body to go for etc - i know Canon have just brought out that new mark 111 but is it actually better etc - I know i will be losing quite a bit of money in the exchange but there maybe a few lenses and bodies going on sale etc here at DPC. Any comments on Canon etc would be very helpful. Cheers
Jeff.
Just for ref I currently own Nikon D2 X and D2 H and many lenses.
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