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12/08/2003 07:14:50 AM · #1
Can I be the first to ask that we all stay away from the 'impact of water drop' and sheet-of-glass-scattered-with-water-drops images? Firstly because I don't think they'll win - too many people will vote tham down for being seen before, and secondly because they've been seen so often it's difficult for them to have any great impact.

Ed
12/08/2003 07:16:15 AM · #2
Originally posted by e301:

Can I be the first to ask that we all stay away from the 'impact of water drop' and sheet-of-glass-scattered-with-water-drops images? Firstly because I don't think they'll win - too many people will vote tham down for being seen before, and secondly because they've been seen so often it's difficult for them to have any great impact.

Ed


lol... fat chance.
And I bet the top 20 pictures after voting will all be in this category.
12/08/2003 07:26:16 AM · #3
I spent an hour in the freezing cold yesterday morning down at the nature reserve taking photos of all the birds on the lakes...day too early, doh!!


12/08/2003 07:29:45 AM · #4
hi

I have had a 6 month break from entering any challenges , and the water one will by my first to come back

But I was thinking the same thing as E301, I think it should have been in the rules for the challenge,

I wont mark any down for it but they wont score high , originality counts, and just copying the droplet pic is not original anymore.
12/08/2003 07:29:53 AM · #5
Aw great... fat chanc of getting a 3rd ribbon in a row with water in it!!! :-)
12/08/2003 07:46:57 AM · #6
If people are voting down things simply because they are seen the technique or idea, there would be nothing to give good score to.
A rose...how many times has it been seen?
A little bird, or cat......how many times?
Why should water drops be voted down? Is the photo good? That's all that should come into play.
People that give 1's in that case certainly have a problem!
It's one thing not to raise any photo that you don't feel is "original", but to throw a 1 on it...you shouldn't be voting here all together!
12/08/2003 07:47:12 AM · #7
Originally posted by e301:

Can I be the first to ask that we all stay away from the 'impact of water drop' and sheet-of-glass-scattered-with-water-drops images? Firstly because I don't think they'll win - too many people will vote tham down for being seen before, and secondly because they've been seen so often it's difficult for them to have any great impact.

Ed


I agree, but it's funny to hear that. I was kind of expecting to see 100 or so droplet pics in this challenge. I am pretty new to the site, and I was beginning to notice that no matter what the subject, a freeze-action droplet is equal to a high ranking!
12/08/2003 07:59:04 AM · #8
If you want to get technical - it's ALL been done before. Somewhere, somehow, it's been done.

I am a proponent of rating a photo on it's own merits. Whether or not the concept has been "done" before bears little or no impact on my decision. (Does THIS photo interest me? Has THIS photo been done well??)

I try to remember that there are many people at this site who are fairly new to photography, and are excited and inspired by the photos they see here, and are anxious to try out the techniques. I just can't see penalizing people because they attempt to emulate other's successful shots.
12/08/2003 08:00:16 AM · #9
i hardly ever give 1's, but if i see a pic which i may have seen 20 or so times before its most likey to get 4 or 5,

just cos i have seen it before doesnt merit a 1

i always remember at school we were told for writing your name on an exam paper you were guaranteed a mark

i sort of bring that here, if someone has bothered to get off their butt, think of something(even if it doesnt meet the challenge) , take a pic and then enter it they are at least going to get 1 or 2 from me just for that

12/08/2003 08:08:52 AM · #10
Aurora-
and yet, if it is a technically difficult shot, you will still give a low score because you have seen it.
Have you tried any of these shots? Maybe if you did, you would see the work that goes into them.

I agree with Ihall -
Every photo should get rated on it's own merit.
Every photo we see has a technique that has been used...big deal.
Maybe it is brand new to one person, who will be more inspired by it...
12/08/2003 08:10:16 AM · #11
next week if i see a water droplet pic that really impresses me and it is the best one from all the entries then i will give it the 10 it deserves,

but by the time you have seen a load of pics which are pretty similar in content and compostion you become desensitised , and you have to restrain your self from becoming blase about it.

12/08/2003 08:17:28 AM · #12
Originally posted by aurora:

next week if i see a water droplet pic that really impresses me and it is the best one from all the entries then i will give it the 10 it deserves.


Yup same here. Even if it has been done a hundred times before. If it is done well technically, and it appeals to me, then I will give a water drop a 10.
12/08/2003 08:21:00 AM · #13
i understand the hard work that goes into these droplet pics

but the impact is lost, when seen too many times,

for me a pic loses its effectiveness once the impact of the image does not excite the viewer,
it must be hard to get excited about a pic which is done so many times.

having a technically good shot is important, but dont forget to connect with the viewer, try to get emotion from them not just to impress them tecnically
12/08/2003 08:22:28 AM · #14
As an interesting aside, this is fifth most popular photo on the site:

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12/08/2003 09:56:01 AM · #15
The region of southern France where I live has been trough a week of heavy rains and wind storms that have badly flooded many aereas. Was stranded for several days, surrounded by raising waters for several days. All the pictures I took this past week have had water featured in everyone of them. will "water" continue to inspire me this week?
i'm definitly sick of water for the time being!

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12/08/2003 10:19:49 AM · #16
I encourage everyone to do a water drop photo. It's a good exercise. You can learn from it.
12/08/2003 12:03:10 PM · #17
Well I know that the lakes are frozen and lots of snow and weather is sooooooooo cold that and indoor shot is the sain course of action! :-)
12/08/2003 12:14:33 PM · #18
Ice and snow are water ...
12/08/2003 12:19:13 PM · #19
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ice and snow are water ...


and thus starteth the next great debate...
12/08/2003 12:22:56 PM · #20
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ice and snow are water ...


and thus starteth the next great debate...


well.. since you insisted.
Ice, and snow are NOT water. Neither is Steam.
water is water, ice is ice, steam is steam. 3 different things :)

12/08/2003 12:24:48 PM · #21
Originally posted by jaimeegrl:

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ice and snow are water ...


and thus starteth the next great debate...


well.. since you insisted.
Ice, and snow are NOT water. Neither is Steam.
water is water, ice is ice, steam is steam. 3 different things :)


I agree!!!!! Water is liquid.... it's all physics. :-)
12/08/2003 12:31:45 PM · #22
[quote=kosmikkreeper... it's all physics. :-)[/quote]

Yes, physics, three different forms of the same thing, still all H20 a.k.a. water.
12/08/2003 12:32:22 PM · #23
Originally posted by lhall:

If you want to get technical - it's ALL been done before. Somewhere, somehow, it's been done.

I am a proponent of rating a photo on it's own merits. Whether or not the concept has been "done" before bears little or no impact on my decision. (Does THIS photo interest me? Has THIS photo been done well??)

Agree wholeheartedly.


Originally posted by TerryGee:

Every photo should get rated on it's own merit.
Every photo we see has a technique that has been used...big deal.
Maybe it is brand new to one person, who will be more inspired by it...

Agree wholeheartedly.


Originally posted by kiwiness:

Even if it has been done a hundred times before. If it is done well technically, and it appeals to me, then I will give a water drop a 10.

Agree wholeheartedly.


(Wow, I AM a lazy forum poster today!)

What I sometimes find sad, too, is the way that the first person to bring a technique into DPC gets lauded as someone of huge creativity/ originality and all those who are then inspired to try that technique get slammed for lack of the same.

What people fail to realise is that that first person isn't always as creative/ original as it might seem - often they just have the good sense to explore further and to take inspiration from work they see outside of DPC.

Given that pretty much most of the ideas we see on DPC aren't new under the sun I think it's worth giving more leeway in the concept of creativity and originality.

This technique has been seen before. But did this photographer create an appealing new image with it's own merits?

This subject matter has been photographed before. But did this photographer show it in a new way?

Give credit where it's due.

I'm not talking about straight "copying" of an image - I don't think that's particularly satisfying for the photographer in any case - but taking inspiration and adding one's own twist - I think is great.

OK, so I wasn't so lazy after all!

:o)

Message edited by author 2003-12-08 12:33:42.
12/08/2003 12:40:06 PM · #24
Originally posted by willem:

Originally posted by kosmikkreeper:

... it's all physics. :-)


Yes, physics, three different forms of the same thing, still all H20 a.k.a. water.

That's why when they talk about the possibility of life on other planets, it's usually considered to be dependent on the presence of "liquid water."
12/08/2003 12:47:05 PM · #25
just one more thought on the subject.
Webster's definition of water :


Main Entry: 1wa·ter
Pronunciation: 'wo-t&r, 'wä-
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wæter; akin to Old High German wazzar water, Greek hydOr, Latin unda wave
Date: before 12th century


1 a : the liquid that descends from the clouds as rain, forms streams, lakes, and seas, and is a major constituent of all living matter and that when pure is an odorless, tasteless, very slightly compressible liquid oxide of hydrogen H2O which appears bluish in thick layers, freezes at 0° C and boils at 100° C, has a maximum density at 4° C and a high specific heat, is feebly ionized to hydrogen and hydroxyl ions, and is a poor conductor of electricity and a good solvent b : a natural mineral water -- usually used in plural
//www.webster.com
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