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01/12/2004 03:58:59 AM · #1
please read this story
//www.securityfocus.com/printable/news/7780
01/12/2004 07:18:20 AM · #2
When this was first reported, I tried it out on my computer with my copy of CS. I didn't have any problem opening such a picture or printing it. Of course, I shredded that print almost immediately!
01/12/2004 07:24:42 AM · #3
just tried scanning a 20, no probs at all.
seems to need some work still.
01/12/2004 09:14:36 AM · #4
I really thought that it was a myth initially, since I can open low-res images of currency. It does appear to be real though, and I have to say I don't like where this is going at all. I understand that counterfeiting with a PC & inkjet printer is getting to be a BIG problem, but this is the wrong way to solve it. It essentially means that Photoshop needs to evaluate EVERY image you open to make sure it's "allowable". How much longer until other things are considered taboo? We're on a very slippery slope here.
01/12/2004 10:43:59 AM · #5
Originally posted by kirbic:

I really thought that it was a myth initially, since I can open low-res images of currency. It does appear to be real though, and I have to say I don't like where this is going at all. I understand that counterfeiting with a PC & inkjet printer is getting to be a BIG problem, but this is the wrong way to solve it. It essentially means that Photoshop needs to evaluate EVERY image you open to make sure it's "allowable". How much longer until other things are considered taboo? We're on a very slippery slope here.


Photocopiers have been on that slope for a long time too - its just money with them as well...
01/12/2004 10:44:51 AM · #6
Actually similar technologies have been used in some copiers (especially the high end ones) for quite a while. I really doubt there is much danger for this type of technology to be overused.
01/12/2004 12:05:53 PM · #7
Not to disagree with those who say that photocopiers have used this technology for a period of time to no ill effect. I agree with that assertion (or similar statements). This seems a different issue however because photocopiers are not generally used as implements to enhance an artist's work. I'm sure some creative artist has at some time or another done a study using photocopiers but those few endeavors aside, Photoshop is used primarily by artists to enhance their artistic works by removing blemishes or covering up something the artist overlooked during composition. This is not to say that the technology will be overused or misused but it is to point out that different circumstances of usage perhaps negate the usefulness of pointing to photocopiers and their history with counterfeiting countermeasures and extrapolating that the inclusion of similar capabilities won't have a totally different impact on artists tools. Perhaps this is too restrictive; perhaps not. Arguing that Xerox or Richo or whoever has included this technology in no way is germaine to the discussion of including similar technologies in Photoshop. Adobe wants to do this (or did against their will perhaps; but who knows). Either way, its in. My concern is not one of whether its expedient or not to include it. I know that I don't like it but I'm not sure its a fight I'd really want to pick as I don't know that its that limiting to my creativity right now. I'm just commenting that I don't see any correlation between the innocuous (and probably beneficial) inclusion of this technology into photocopiers and the inclusion of this technology in a tool that was designed for and that I use for creative purposes.

Just my view.
01/12/2004 12:45:08 PM · #8
Try opening this photo.
01/12/2004 12:55:23 PM · #9
I wonder if it will still let me print out fake coins
01/12/2004 01:05:31 PM · #10
Just as an aside, Paint Shop Pro 8 also does this. And the response from Adobe is




Re: Photoshop CS Adds Banknote Image Detection, Blocking?

This is what adobe has to say. Just in case you dont have access to the Adobe Forums.

And I qoute

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Kevin Connor - 06:33pm Jan 8, 2004 Pacific (#269 of 275)

As someone at Adobe who was involved in the decision to include counterfeit deterrence in Photoshop CS, let me finally provide you with a response to all of these concerns and questions. Sorry for the delay!:

Photoshop CS does indeed include a counterfeit deterrence system (CDS) to prevent the illegal duplication of banknotes. The CDS was created by a consortium of central banks from around the world. We, along with other hardware and software manufacturers, have included CDS in our products at their request to address the threat posed by the use of digital technologies in the counterfeiting of banknotes. There are other software products from other companies that already use this same technology. There are also hardware products that use the same or similar technology. For example, most color copiers sold today will not allow you to copy currency.

As digital imaging technology advances, becoming more broadly available and user friendly, the old barriers to currency reproduction are becoming less effective. The unscrupulous are taking advantage of the functionality that is being provided to the vast majority of honest users for the purposes of counterfeiting currency. In the US and around the world, counterfeiting through digital means is increasing exponentially, and retailers and the general public--including our own customers--are at risk.

Counterfeit currency is essentially a hot potato. Whoever holds it last, loses. The person who loses isn't necessarily the counterfeiter. There's no government body in place to "reimburse" people who, through no fault of their own, get paid with currency that turns out to be counterfeit. In our implementation of CDS, we've worked very hard to balance the need to protect these unsuspecting victims of counterfeiting along with the need to continue to provide a product that efficiently does what honest customers need it to do.

There appear to be several major concerns and objections repeated throughout this message thread, so I'll try to address each one individually:

1. Performance: CDS does not cause any noticeable slowdown in Photoshop performance. During most operations performed in Photoshop, CDS is not used at all. When it is used, the performance impact often is just a fraction of a second.

2. Legal use of notes: It is true that the current implementation of CDS will prevent you from scanning in your own banknotes even if your usage intent is entirely within legal boundaries. Regulations for using banknote images vary by country. It is the responsibility of the central bank in each country to provide images that can be used within the legal guidelines of that country. In other words, if you want to legally reproduce images of the new $20US bills on a Web site or in a marketing brochure, you can contact the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing for legal images that can be opened and manipulated in Photoshop CS. (You can visit them at //www.moneyfactory.com.) Similar solutions should be available in other countries. If you find that your central bank is not providing adequate support to permit legal uses of their banknote images, then you should let them know.

3. Adobe's intentions: Please be assured that this implementation of CDS is not a step down the road towards Adobe becoming "Big Brother." We know that one of the reasons people love Photoshop is because it's an incredibly flexible tool that can be used for so many different things. That's also one of the reasons we at Adobe enjoy working on new versions. Finding ways to prevent you from doing things in Photoshop really doesn't interest us! Moreover, the CDS is not Adobe technology, but was provided by the central banks, who would have no reason to want to restrict anything other than bank notes. Counterfeiting is really a special case in which we could see how our own technology advances were making it easier to commit crimes and we were asked to implement a solution that would have minimal impact on honest customers. Yes, there is some impact, in that you need to contact your central bank for images, but our hope is that it's not a huge inconvenience for that small group of customers who do need to reproduce these images in their graphic design work. It also provides the central banks with an opportunity to better educate customers on exactly what is and isn't legal usage.

Of course, CDS in Photoshop CS is essentially a 1.0 implementation of a feature, analogous to the state of the layers palette in Photoshop 3.0. We realize that there may be room for improvement, particularly if there are corner usage cases that weren't taken into account in our current designs. We do want to hear about your concerns, and we definitely want to hear if there's a specific problem that this implementation has created for you. As with any Photoshop feature, we depend on hearing from customers so that we can make continual improvements release after release.
01/12/2004 01:09:38 PM · #11
I don't have this problem with PS 5.0.
07/25/2008 04:44:56 PM · #12
this is wild. i was just scanning in a $1 and a $20 bill (i have to set up a shot where i am stitching money together -- long story) and i got this giant scary message in photoshop:

"This application does not support the printing of banknote images."

interesting thing is, it only came up on the scans of the backs of the bills. nothing about the fronts. and my printer is only shooting out blank pieces of paper.

great! now i'm probably on some terrorist watchlist.

ps - exporting to PDF and printing that works just fine. :P
07/25/2008 04:51:18 PM · #13
Originally posted by muckpond:

this is wild. i was just scanning in a $1 and a $20 bill (i have to set up a shot where i am stitching money together -- long story) and i got this giant scary message in photoshop:

"This application does not support the printing of banknote images."

interesting thing is, it only came up on the scans of the backs of the bills. nothing about the fronts. and my printer is only shooting out blank pieces of paper.

great! now i'm probably on some terrorist watchlist.

ps - exporting to PDF and printing that works just fine. :P


Are they older bills? - ie small images of the president. A few months ago I did a project for a friends birthday and scanned a variety of bills. The old fronts scanned without complaints, the newer bills gave me the same nasty message. Even after I composited the image (and had radically altered the appearance of the bills) it wouldn't print with the colors correct- major magenta shift.

I also took a photo of a new five and got the same warning when I loaded it in PS2.

The HP scanner in my office, well my old office, was set up that if it detected a scan of currency it would lock and send an alert to the network admin.

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