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08/16/2007 12:00:02 PM · #1
I know that this was a speed challenge, so not everyone had time to get really into it, but is anyone else as disappointed as I am at the lack of submissions that took real advantage of the Advanced Editing rules? So few of the submissions used any of the special processing features allowed under these rules. I made a point to do so with my own photo, but most of the shots in this are "merely" out-of-the-box photos. Some really fine work in there, but I'm avoiding voting on most of them as I don't think they really did what the challenge was about. Am I just plain out of it? Am I misinterpreting something?
08/16/2007 12:02:05 PM · #2
No, I agree. A lot of snapshotty photos in there.
08/16/2007 12:02:42 PM · #3
IMO it takes a bit longer than two days to get a good shot and edit it to the full potential for those who are not experts at Photoshop :(

Unless a person had all day sat and sun to do nothing but this, Its tough to accomplished a very nice polished picture. :( But thats I think

Message edited by author 2007-08-16 12:03:13.
08/16/2007 12:03:09 PM · #4
Advanced editing allows you to do layers to improve the image, remove minor defects, dodge and burn, etc, but the challenge does not require it. Just because someone did not use advanced editing techniques does not mean it does not fit the challenge. The Rules set simply allows you to use those techniques if you wish.

But I agree- there seem to be a lot of snapshot images in this challenge...

Originally posted by foxinsox47:

I know that this was a speed challenge, so not everyone had time to get really into it, but is anyone else as disappointed as I am at the lack of submissions that took real advantage of the Advanced Editing rules? So few of the submissions used any of the special processing features allowed under these rules. I made a point to do so with my own photo, but most of the shots in this are "merely" out-of-the-box photos. Some really fine work in there, but I'm avoiding voting on most of them as I don't think they really did what the challenge was about. Am I just plain out of it? Am I misinterpreting something?


Message edited by author 2007-08-16 12:03:55.
08/16/2007 12:04:55 PM · #5
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Some really fine work in there, but I'm avoiding voting on most of them as I don't think they really did what the challenge was about. Am I just plain out of it? Am I misinterpreting something?


What, exactly, is a Free Study "about"?

R.
08/16/2007 12:05:14 PM · #6
Expert editing is what is allowed. Nothing says you have to edit the crap out of a pic. The challenge was a free study.How can an entry not be 'what it is about'???
08/16/2007 12:08:39 PM · #7
Robert - I think the OP is confusing the editing rules with the challenge description. Since it is a Free Study - everything goes. But I think the OP is suggesting that many of the images are not highly processed and he was expecting the images to be more 'processed', whatever that is...

Do I have it right?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


What, exactly, is a Free Study "about"?

R.


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Message edited by author 2007-08-16 12:10:24.
08/16/2007 12:18:29 PM · #8
Yeah, that's pretty-much it. I understand that "Free Study" is *free*: do what you want. I have no objection with this, and, as I wrote, there is a lot of fine work in the submissions. I'm not really confusing the rules with the subject of the challenge; I'm just kind of surprised that more people didn't make better use of the available techniques in the Rules to do something a bit more "memorable", a little different, whatever that might mean. I guess I was hoping to see some nifty effects work, not "just" a lot of nice landscapes, close-ups, etc. I jumped at the chance, as we get so few opportunities to do all the neat special stuff, and I guess I was thinking everyone else would, too. I'm obviously on the wrong side of the fence on this, which is fine; I'm over there most of the time ;-)

Originally posted by bassbone:

Robert - I think the OP is confusing the editing rules with the challenge description. Since it is a Free Study - everything goes. But I think the OP is suggesting that many of the images are not highly processed...

Do I have it right?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


What, exactly, is a Free Study "about"?

R.


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08/16/2007 12:28:41 PM · #9
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Yeah, that's pretty-much it. I understand that "Free Study" is *free*: do what you want. I have no objection with this, and, as I wrote, there is a lot of fine work in the submissions. I'm not really confusing the rules with the subject of the challenge; I'm just kind of surprised that more people didn't make better use of the available techniques in the Rules to do something a bit more "memorable", a little different, whatever that might mean. I guess I was hoping to see some nifty effects work, not "just" a lot of nice landscapes, close-ups, etc. I jumped at the chance, as we get so few opportunities to do all the neat special stuff, and I guess I was thinking everyone else would, too. I'm obviously on the wrong side of the fence on this, which is fine; I'm over there most of the time ;-)

Originally posted by bassbone:

Robert - I think the OP is confusing the editing rules with the challenge description. Since it is a Free Study - everything goes. But I think the OP is suggesting that many of the images are not highly processed...

Do I have it right?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


What, exactly, is a Free Study "about"?

R.


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Are you sure you're not confusing "advanced" with "expert"? You cannot add "effects" in advanced.
08/16/2007 12:42:16 PM · #10
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by foxinsox47:

Yeah, that's pretty-much it. I understand that "Free Study" is *free*: do what you want. I have no objection with this, and, as I wrote, there is a lot of fine work in the submissions. I'm not really confusing the rules with the subject of the challenge; I'm just kind of surprised that more people didn't make better use of the available techniques in the Rules to do something a bit more "memorable", a little different, whatever that might mean. I guess I was hoping to see some nifty effects work, not "just" a lot of nice landscapes, close-ups, etc. I jumped at the chance, as we get so few opportunities to do all the neat special stuff, and I guess I was thinking everyone else would, too. I'm obviously on the wrong side of the fence on this, which is fine; I'm over there most of the time ;-)

Originally posted by bassbone:

Robert - I think the OP is confusing the editing rules with the challenge description. Since it is a Free Study - everything goes. But I think the OP is suggesting that many of the images are not highly processed...

Do I have it right?

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


What, exactly, is a Free Study "about"?

R.


Spelling errors


Are you sure you're not confusing "advanced" with "expert"? You cannot add "effects" in advanced.


I think he must be, only thing that makes sense... The Free Study being voted on is advanced ruleset; the monthly Free Study this month is Expert ruleset.

R.

R.
08/16/2007 12:47:06 PM · #11
But this Free study didn't allow for the expert editing you need to create special effects. It was simply an advanced editing challenge which limits you to layering, dodging burning and typical stuff like that. What kind of advanced editing stuff are you missing in the photos. I saw what looked like the same kind of advanced editing processing you get in any advanced editing challenge ??????

08/16/2007 12:48:36 PM · #12
the OP is a user, not a member ... usualy in basic editing land
08/16/2007 01:30:44 PM · #13
According to the Advanced Rules page...

"You may:

* apply filters, effects, dodge & burn, and other tools to all or part of your entry, but NO new shapes or features may be created in the process."

What am I missing in this? What am I misinterpreting? I've not had a challenge to my submission, and I've seen a couple of other shots that have had obvious "effects" applied to them. If I did not interpret the Rules properly, then I think that the use of the word "effects" in them is incorrect. Yes, I am not a Member; I don't have the time to take advantage of it or to submit a shot every week, so spending the money is not logical at this time.
08/16/2007 01:37:25 PM · #14
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' foxinsox47 - Yes - you can apply filters, effects and the like, but most voters prefer to see pretty colors and pretty girls and pretty macros of butterflies more than a bunch of over the top processing effects. Just because you "May" use an effect, doesn't mean you have to...and most voters won't like it anyway...

Message edited by author 2007-08-16 13:46:06.
08/16/2007 01:51:40 PM · #15
I haven't looked at all the pictures in this study, but I think what the OP was trying to say is that since this is not basic editing rules, why are some images still containing dust spots or obvious, easy to remove flaws?

Personally, there are some great shots in there. But I would have to vote something lower if it contained glaring problems that would have been easy to fix.

Just my $0.02.
08/16/2007 02:16:40 PM · #16
Originally posted by foxinsox47:

I know that this was a speed challenge, so not everyone had time to get really into it, but is anyone else as disappointed as I am at the lack of submissions that took real advantage of the Advanced Editing rules? So few of the submissions used any of the special processing features allowed under these rules. I made a point to do so with my own photo, but most of the shots in this are "merely" out-of-the-box photos. Some really fine work in there, but I'm avoiding voting on most of them as I don't think they really did what the challenge was about. Am I just plain out of it? Am I misinterpreting something?


48 hour submission period and the intense urge to 'get something in' probably accounts for some less than stellar entries. Fighting that urge is the best thing you can do for your average vote received.
08/16/2007 02:28:27 PM · #17
I spent 1 hour and about 50 shots. The idea was very good, it looked much better in real life, looks like (well, I can't tell you right now)... and I thought I would get around 6.6, because of the idea and how the image came out. I am not sure if people really didn't like it, or didn't see the idea on my photo, I don't know, but I am around 5.8s and I wish I would finish in 6+ even 6.0001

Anyway, there are GREAT photos even though it was a speed challenge ;)
08/16/2007 02:31:41 PM · #18
Originally posted by mjwood0:

I haven't looked at all the pictures in this study, but I think what the OP was trying to say is that since this is not basic editing rules, why are some images still containing dust spots or obvious, easy to remove flaws?

Personally, there are some great shots in there. But I would have to vote something lower if it contained glaring problems that would have been easy to fix.

Just my $0.02.


Not everyone knows how to do those things, even if they are easy to some of us.

It will be interesting to see the voting on the expert editing free study. Just because the extra leeway is there to do different things, will pictures get voted down if we don't? I'm all for trying new things, but I won't submit something that I hacked up because the rules allow it. I have a picture that I'm tempted to submit that looks great under minimal editing, but I know I'll do at least basic on it.

I hope in the end the best photo will win, not the best photoshopped photo.
08/16/2007 02:33:56 PM · #19
Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by foxinsox47:

I know that this was a speed challenge, so not everyone had time to get really into it, but is anyone else as disappointed as I am at the lack of submissions that took real advantage of the Advanced Editing rules? So few of the submissions used any of the special processing features allowed under these rules. I made a point to do so with my own photo, but most of the shots in this are "merely" out-of-the-box photos. Some really fine work in there, but I'm avoiding voting on most of them as I don't think they really did what the challenge was about. Am I just plain out of it? Am I misinterpreting something?


48 hour submission period and the intense urge to 'get something in' probably accounts for some less than stellar entries. Fighting that urge is the best thing you can do for your average vote received.


Amen to that!,
after weeks of submitting over 6 entries, i got the urge for this one, and am paying deerly, my entry is barely a 5.4
08/16/2007 04:10:19 PM · #20
Originally posted by mad_brewer:


I hope in the end the best photo will win, not the best photoshopped photo.


Amen to this. It seems that some people put more emphasis on photoshop than the actual composition of the picture. I do agree, that photoshop makes it more appealing, but for those who shoot we also appreciate the photo composition.

Back before photoshop we had Black and White film photos. And some of those are the best Ive seen because of the composition not because of the editing.

Message edited by author 2007-08-16 16:10:53.
08/16/2007 04:23:22 PM · #21
Did you know that every picture is instantly better by using lucisart filters on it?
08/16/2007 04:33:45 PM · #22
Originally posted by mad_brewer:


I hope in the end the best photo will win, not the best photoshopped photo.


I also hope the best photo wins but unfortunately the most creative, most original, most artistic one probably doesn't have a chance. I'll take that any day, photoshopped or not over the carbon copy photos that typically grace the front page.
08/16/2007 05:27:10 PM · #23
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by mad_brewer:


I hope in the end the best photo will win, not the best photoshopped photo.


I also hope the best photo wins but unfortunately the most creative, most original, most artistic one probably doesn't have a chance. I'll take that any day, photoshopped or not over the carbon copy photos that typically grace the front page.


I agree - though, that will be a cold day...
08/16/2007 05:43:02 PM · #24
Originally posted by Redjulep:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by mad_brewer:


I hope in the end the best photo will win, not the best photoshopped photo.


I also hope the best photo wins but unfortunately the most creative, most original, most artistic one probably doesn't have a chance. I'll take that any day, photoshopped or not over the carbon copy photos that typically grace the front page.


I agree - though, that will be a cold day...


So maybe it's time for an "out of the box" challenge. "Submit your most creative, most original, most artistic photo. Sunsets, flowers, and macros of bugs are subject to DNMC."

Message edited by author 2007-08-16 18:05:56.
08/16/2007 05:43:52 PM · #25
Originally posted by mad_brewer:

Originally posted by Redjulep:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by mad_brewer:


I hope in the end the best photo will win, not the best photoshopped photo.


I also hope the best photo wins but unfortunately the most creative, most original, most artistic one probably doesn't have a chance. I'll take that any day, photoshopped or not over the carbon copy photos that typically grace the front page.


I agree - though, that will be a cold day...


So maybe it's time for an "out of the box" challenge. "Submit your most creative, most original, most artistic photo. Sunsets and flowers are subject to DNMC."


And dont forget about the macros of bugs. :P
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