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08/24/2007 10:57:29 AM · #1
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Hmmm, is this the first SLR with digital zoom?


It's not really digital zoom is it? I thought digital zoom was crop and enlarge the center of the image. This is just cropping. It's a great idea and a great camera, but I'm still holding out for either a 40D or the new 5D upgrade/replacement.
08/24/2007 09:15:31 AM · #2
Originally posted by nshapiro:

Originally posted by Citadel:

The D3 has full frame AND DX format. Wow. You can use the full frame mode when you need to go extra wide and you could use the DX format on telephoto to get the benefit of the 1.5 multiplier. In the DX mode its only 5.1 MP but for sports and action shots that would still be right decent.

$5000 US...I am sooo going to be feeding the piggy bank to get me one though, even if it takes 2 years.


Hmmm, is this the first SLR with digital zoom?


no, still cropping in-camera. lame. that's a feature held over for the die-hard D2x and D2hs dudes.

oh, and all those poor saps who actually thought full-frame would never come, because one PR rep said that like 5 years ago.

Message edited by author 2007-08-24 09:16:46.
08/24/2007 09:09:38 AM · #3
Originally posted by Citadel:

The D3 has full frame AND DX format. Wow. You can use the full frame mode when you need to go extra wide and you could use the DX format on telephoto to get the benefit of the 1.5 multiplier. In the DX mode its only 5.1 MP but for sports and action shots that would still be right decent.

$5000 US...I am sooo going to be feeding the piggy bank to get me one though, even if it takes 2 years.


Hmmm, is this the first SLR with digital zoom?
08/24/2007 09:07:35 AM · #4
The D3 is tempting but the $5000 price will be a barrier to many (including myself)

On the other hand, the D300 is pretty damn tempting too if they have noise under control better than the D80. Coming from the Canon world, the Nikon is just too noisy at all ISO's above 200. But I will say the noise on my D80 is a little less objectionable than the noise was on my Rebel XT at higher ISOs (like 1600).
08/24/2007 08:55:46 AM · #5
Originally posted by Citadel:

The D3 has full frame AND DX format. Wow. You can use the full frame mode when you need to go extra wide and you could use the DX format on telephoto to get the benefit of the 1.5 multiplier. In the DX mode its only 5.1 MP but for sports and action shots that would still be right decent.

$5000 US...I am sooo going to be feeding the piggy bank to get me one though, even if it takes 2 years.


Incidentally, DX mode is alright, but don't forget that the 5D also has this if you want, just label it "infinitely adjustable zoom mode via cropping".

Heh. Pretty cool that they let you use a DX lens though too... In fact, I'd be willing to go as far as saying 'brilliant'.

Originally posted by fir3bird:


Not a switch, D2X, D2XS have been CMOS all along. Good to see them provide a FF sensor for all those who wanted it.


Right, I should have been more specific as it's very difficult for casual readers to read my mind. I was looking at the spec sheet in another window for the D300.
08/23/2007 06:22:01 PM · #6
Originally posted by rswank:


But I don't see mention of selectable bit A/D on the 40D or MKIII.
If they don't make it selectable then there is no speed/buffer/whatever degradation by virtue of shooting 14 bit.


It's there. Look carefully at the file sizes available for the D40. The ability to select is in the file size. I didn't pay any attention to the MKIII as I'd never buy a 9000$ camera. ;)
08/23/2007 03:54:00 PM · #7
Originally posted by shalrath:

Originally posted by jhonan:

Why are people concerned about the ISO not going below 200? - Is it because they want to use ISO100/50/25 to adjust exposure? Or is it because they think it'll be less 'noisy' than ISO200?


There is not concrete reason for me... sometimes I use it to control exposure when I don't want to alter depth of field, mostly I just use it because there's no need to go higher.


ISO200 will be the same or better NOISE-wise as ISO100 on the current D2x bodies. IT is just the base level and determines the light sensitivity of the sensor, it is not an indication of noise.

The only concern of starting at a higher base ISO would be running into shutter speed limits in very bright light with large aperatures. It's a moot point otherwise.
08/23/2007 02:41:48 PM · #8
Originally posted by Citadel:


$5000 US...I am sooo going to be feeding the piggy bank to get me one though, even if it takes 2 years.


Well, if it takes two years the D4 is probably just around the corner ;-)
08/23/2007 02:23:23 PM · #9
The D3 has full frame AND DX format. Wow. You can use the full frame mode when you need to go extra wide and you could use the DX format on telephoto to get the benefit of the 1.5 multiplier. In the DX mode its only 5.1 MP but for sports and action shots that would still be right decent.

$5000 US...I am sooo going to be feeding the piggy bank to get me one though, even if it takes 2 years.
08/23/2007 02:17:35 PM · #10
Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by rswank:

(copied here b/c this is specific to the D300 not sure if this is also D3 or not)

"Selectable 14-bit A/D Nef".

This sounds a little suspect to me.
I wonder what this really means and what downstream affect this will have.
Maybe the converter doesn't process the image fast enough at 14 bits for the max rated FPS?
It would have to have some negative impact on performance otherwise they wouldn't offer you to select 12bit.


Like any camera that brags about speed and buffer this one has the ability to configure for greater speed. 12 bit will be faster than 14 bit. Jpg is always faster than NEF. Looks like the D3 will be able to select conversion bit depth for both.


But I don't see mention of selectable bit A/D on the 40D or MKIII.
If they don't make it selectable then there is no speed/buffer/whatever degradation by virtue of shooting 14 bit.
08/23/2007 01:51:11 PM · #11
Originally posted by rswank:

(copied here b/c this is specific to the D300 not sure if this is also D3 or not)

"Selectable 14-bit A/D Nef".

This sounds a little suspect to me.
I wonder what this really means and what downstream affect this will have.
Maybe the converter doesn't process the image fast enough at 14 bits for the max rated FPS?
It would have to have some negative impact on performance otherwise they wouldn't offer you to select 12bit.


Like any camera that brags about speed and buffer this one has the ability to configure for greater speed. 12 bit will be faster than 14 bit. Jpg is always faster than NEF. Looks like the D3 will be able to select conversion bit depth for both.
08/23/2007 12:01:27 PM · #12
(copied here b/c this is specific to the D300 not sure if this is also D3 or not)

"Selectable 14-bit A/D Nef".

This sounds a little suspect to me.
I wonder what this really means and what downstream affect this will have.
Maybe the converter doesn't process the image fast enough at 14 bits for the max rated FPS?
It would have to have some negative impact on performance otherwise they wouldn't offer you to select 12bit.
08/23/2007 11:30:27 AM · #13
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Message edited by author 2007-08-23 11:50:16.
08/23/2007 11:23:33 AM · #14
Originally posted by Louis:

May be nitpicking, but the D3 almost full frame, according to the marketing material. Also, there seems to be improvement in overall noise reduction with the new sensor, so ISO200 should not be an issue.


36 x 23.9 mm CMOS sensor

?? .1mm off I guess.
08/23/2007 10:27:41 AM · #15
May be nitpicking, but the D3 almost full frame, according to the marketing material. Also, there seems to be improvement in overall noise reduction with the new sensor, so ISO200 should not be an issue.
08/23/2007 10:20:59 AM · #16
Originally posted by jhonan:

Why are people concerned about the ISO not going below 200? - Is it because they want to use ISO100/50/25 to adjust exposure? Or is it because they think it'll be less 'noisy' than ISO200?


Sometimes you want to shoot wide open, with a fast lens, in daylight and ISO200 can force you to stop down more than you might like.


08/23/2007 10:19:48 AM · #17
Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by rswank:

Speaking of ISO, why hasn't Canon or Nikon introduced an ISO priority exposure mode like the Pentax K10D?
I would find that extremely useful.
In this mode one command dial changes ISO while the other controls either shutter speed or aperture (changeable).


Nikon calls it Manual mode. ;)


Haha, but really it's totally different.
If that's the case then they could add a third command dial.
The purpose of this type of mode is to be able to quickly change ISO along w/ Aperture priority.
I know there is Auto ISO but there are times I would sacrifice shutter speed or go with a larger aperture rather than wanting the ISO to go up.
This mode gives me more options in a more convenient way.
I suppose as long as ISO is displayed in the viewfinder I can scratch the ISO button or remember which it is by feel so I can adjust ISO w/o taking my eye off the viewfinder.
08/23/2007 10:18:57 AM · #18
Originally posted by rswank:

Speaking of ISO, why hasn't Canon or Nikon introduced an ISO priority exposure mode like the Pentax K10D?
I would find that extremely useful.
In this mode one command dial changes ISO while the other controls either shutter speed or aperture (changeable).

Program the Fn key for ISO. Then in S mode you can control ISO using Fn+dial and the shutter speed will change. In A mode the aperture will change.
08/23/2007 10:18:23 AM · #19
Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by rswank:

Speaking of ISO, why hasn't Canon or Nikon introduced an ISO priority exposure mode like the Pentax K10D?
I would find that extremely useful.
In this mode one command dial changes ISO while the other controls either shutter speed or aperture (changeable).


Nikon calls it Manual mode. ;)


So does Canon :)
08/23/2007 10:14:27 AM · #20
Originally posted by rswank:

Speaking of ISO, why hasn't Canon or Nikon introduced an ISO priority exposure mode like the Pentax K10D?
I would find that extremely useful.
In this mode one command dial changes ISO while the other controls either shutter speed or aperture (changeable).


Nikon calls it Manual mode. ;)
08/23/2007 10:13:18 AM · #21
Originally posted by eschelar:

Glad to see Nikon make the switch to CMOS.



Not a switch, D2X, D2XS have been CMOS all along. Good to see them provide a FF sensor for all those who wanted it. I try not to want things I can't afford. LOL
08/23/2007 10:06:47 AM · #22
Speaking of ISO, why hasn't Canon or Nikon introduced an ISO priority exposure mode like the Pentax K10D?
I would find that extremely useful.
In this mode one command dial changes ISO while the other controls either shutter speed or aperture (changeable).

08/23/2007 10:00:12 AM · #23
ISO 200 is fine. I shoot at 200-400 most of the time to get higher shutter speeds and rarely at 100. If the noise is low at 200, that's all that matters IMO.

Full Frame? Hmmmm...should I???

Message edited by author 2007-08-23 10:03:53.
08/23/2007 09:50:27 AM · #24
Originally posted by jhonan:

Why are people concerned about the ISO not going below 200? - Is it because they want to use ISO100/50/25 to adjust exposure? Or is it because they think it'll be less 'noisy' than ISO200?


There is not concrete reason for me... sometimes I use it to control exposure when I don't want to alter depth of field, mostly I just use it because there's no need to go higher.
08/23/2007 09:49:06 AM · #25
The D3 is crazy!
12.1MP
ISO 25600!! What the f...
51 AF points?
11FPS, etc.

I want one.
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