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01/27/2004 08:26:27 PM · #1
I am looking for a photo printer to use with my camara-I am fed up with the crummy results and moronic service at my local 1 hour joint, I have looked at the HP 7960 & 7760(seem very similar) and some of the Epsons in the $200.-$300. range. I am a former 35mm Nikon & med format user but my home(non-digital)darkroom is getting dusty from non use. I want film like results for 8x10 and croped 4x6 prints(B&W Too).
Can these printers do it ?
Any advice is welcome.
01/27/2004 08:49:12 PM · #2
Id use DPC Prints
01/27/2004 09:26:30 PM · #3
I've got the new Epson R300M printer and I feel it does a very good job.

//www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=37472318
01/27/2004 09:29:13 PM · #4
Photo ...Hello.
Try doing a search in the forums. This topic has been discussed many times and there is some great input by the folks here.
Search: printer/printers and or photo printer.
01/27/2004 09:30:21 PM · #5
I ordered some prints off DPCPrints and they were pretty disappointing. I took the same file to the Walmart one hour machine and got back much better prints. The DPC ones were really dark and missing a ton of details that showed up on the Walmart ones.
01/27/2004 09:34:12 PM · #6
You will hear this over and over...if you want photo quality, you have to pay. THere is the Epson 2200, the Canon i9100 that seem to be the big front runners for 13x19. I have a i9100 and it is freakin spectacular. I hear all the crap with longevity (archival), but have had a print sitting in a south facing window (hot, cold, sun) since Oct and have seen no fading, etc. so far (heard that 1 week like this and it fades.)
I would think the little brothers of the above 2 would be great choices (since pretty much the same printer, downscaled). Also that CHromaInk that one of the Epson uses sounds great.
In my opinion it is alot of the paper to use also. You can look on Yahoo.com users groups before/after you decide to learn tons more. I am on canon and i9100 printer groups...lots of great info
01/27/2004 09:35:08 PM · #7
Originally posted by cbeller:

I've got the new Epson R300M printer and I feel it does a very good job.

//www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=37472318


Agreed, its an awesome printer for a reasonable price.
01/30/2004 11:46:57 AM · #8
I've been using the Epson 2200 for over a year and absolutely LOVE it! The quality is amazing and it's so easy to use. I do color as well as black and white printing. The color is great on it's own. For black and white, I use a RIP because the 2200 has a tendency to print black and white with a tiny bit of a purplish hue but with the RIP it's perfectly neutral. Good luck!
01/30/2004 02:37:25 PM · #9
I've just been through the exact same search as you! I tried out a couple of HP's and ended up returning them all, either from malfunctions, or just dissapointing printing. From their I talked to a guy at Staples near my house, and from what he said the best way to go was with Canon. They have the cheapest ink system, best quality, and most accurate printing. I bought the Canon i860, and am EXTREMELY happy with it, I got it for $200 CAN at Staples, and there isn't anything bad I can say about it. The i900 is the next step up, mostly because it has the front panel controls, which I didn't need since I do all my printing from the computer anyways. I would recommend the Canon i850-960 anyday, have a look for one of them!

Lee
01/30/2004 03:32:11 PM · #10
Originally posted by photo:

I am looking for a photo printer to use with my camara-I am fed up with the crummy results and moronic service at my local 1 hour joint, I have looked at the HP 7960 & 7760(seem very similar) and some of the Epsons in the $200.-$300. range. I am a former 35mm Nikon & med format user but my home(non-digital)darkroom is getting dusty from non use. I want film like results for 8x10 and croped 4x6 prints(B&W Too).
Can these printers do it ?
Any advice is welcome.


ARe you sure you want to give up on shops? Walmart and London Drugs do great prints for something like 25cents each [4x6]. Not only are printers expensive, have you looked up the price of paper and toner lately? Looking at hundreds, even thousands, a year depending on how many you're printing. Each sheet of photo paper is more than a $1 cnd.

Message edited by author 2004-01-30 15:33:16.
01/30/2004 03:47:18 PM · #11
I just bought a HP Deskjet 3650, probably on the lower end of photo printers, but to my great surprise, it can knock off some pretty impressive prints. It's pretty slow on max. resolution though. Also it isn't one of the models that you can print directly from your storage media (not a concern for those of us who photochop). But it is pretty cheap, around $90 CAN at Staples. Had a Canon BJC 6300 a couple of years ago. At the time it was supposed to be a fairly good photo printer; my new printer puts that one to shame.

BTW I have to agree with Goldberry, it gets pretty expensive printing your own stuff. I've had really good results with //www.photolab.ca and the rates were very reasonable.

Message edited by author 2004-01-30 15:53:05.
01/31/2004 07:17:50 AM · #12
I have a HP PhotoSmart 1000 that I have had for like 4 years, I paid close to $600.00 at that time (now $120.00) I find it great for printing photos but like Goldberry said it cost alot, the Ink for the printer is $56.00 for color and $49.00 for Black and white and that is the cheap ones.... I have started useing //www.walmartphotocentre.ca $.29 per print 4x6 $.96 5x7

Melissa
01/31/2004 07:32:54 AM · #13
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Each sheet of photo paper is more than a $1 cnd.


The last time Office Depot had a sale on photo paper I bought several packages of 100 8 1/2 x 11 sheets at ~$10 each. Quite a bit less than $1 a sheet. If your willing to keep your eyes open for the sales and buy when it's on sale the cost of paper really becomes reasonable. Also, according to independent tests using the Office Depot paper and Canon inks, longevity of prints from the Canon S900/9000 was actually increased. Pretty good deal when you get the same print quality from the OD paper as you do from Canon's PPP.
01/31/2004 07:42:11 AM · #14
Just curious, reading some of these posts I get the impression that a lot of people make a lot of small prints. Is this the case? How many of you print everything (the keepers anyway) you take?

Personally, I bought my printer (Canon s900) for printing 9x6 and 8x10 photos as well as other color print projects. I print at the most 50 photos a year.

If you're printing them to share with friend's and family why aren't you sharing them electronically? If not, what do you do with all the prints?
01/31/2004 08:24:21 AM · #15
I have a Cannon S9000 and an HP Photosmart 7550. I basically use the Cannon for all prints, as the net ink costs are less with ink for each color vs. the HP with the two tri-colors and a black. When one color runs out the whole cartridge is shot.

I print 8x10 for viewing and putting copies of the "keepers" in a 3-ring notebook. I print lots of 13"x19" prints for framing, etc.
01/31/2004 08:28:18 AM · #16
Thanks for the info ! Many off you make excellent points- I am more conflicted than before.
Alot of you suggested sticking with the Walmarts, the 1 hour Fuji prints from thier machines(inputed from MS on thier "creation station") have been dark, soft and poor color. Not worth $0.26.
01/31/2004 08:35:08 AM · #17
Originally posted by Drake:

I print 8x10 for viewing and putting copies of the "keepers" in a 3-ring notebook. I print lots of 13"x19" prints for framing, etc.


Do you find yourself looking at the "keepers" book? Last year I started to do what you describe but after awhile I realized that I'm never going to pull it out so I stopped printing them.
01/31/2004 08:44:30 AM · #18
I would sugest that you calibrate your moniter to start. Make sure they aren't coming out dark because they are dark. Then get an Epson 2200. That way you will have the control you want. The 2200 and bigger Epsons are the top printers but dont turn around and use cheap paper. There is a huge difference in premium paper and 100 8X10s for $10 paper.
01/31/2004 08:49:29 AM · #19
Originally posted by Niten:

There is a huge difference in premium paper and 100 8X10s for $10 paper.


It regularly retails for $65 if that makes a difference. It really is good paper.
01/31/2004 09:02:03 AM · #20
Techno - Yes I reference my 8x10 book, especially since I am planning to do an Arts & Craft Fair this summer and I use it to determine which to print.

What paper do you use? I have used the Kodak Premium photo paper a lot for 8x10's and Cannon paper for the 13x19 prints, I am now trying the Ilford Galerie paper. Input would be appreciated, especially for 13x19 paper recommendations.
01/31/2004 05:41:42 PM · #21
I can't comment on 13x19 paper as I have the s900. For the most part I use "Office Depot Premium High Gloss Photo Paper". I bought quite a lot of it when they had their major sale. I find it is of the same quality as the Canon Photo Paper Pro and can be used without adjusting any settings. For matte I use Epson Heavyweight. I don't print matte all that frequently because photos that I would normally want on matte I would generally want larger than 8x10. I've tried several Ilford papers with mixed results. Sometimes the ink seems to pile up on the surface and sometimes it doesn't. As I recall (it's been some time) they had pretty poor drying times. The OD, Canon, and Epson papers are all virtually dry by the time they are done printing. The Ilford's required babying for several minutes to prevent damage.
01/31/2004 06:13:13 PM · #22
I have had an Epson 2200 for about a year now. Quality is great, paper is great, prices are reasonable.... I love Epson but thier Mac drivers are usually pretty buggy. It can be very frustrating. If you have any Q's about Mac driver issues PM me.
01/31/2004 06:23:05 PM · #23
I prefer the Ilford Classic Pearl on my i9100. all the Kodaks pool no matter what setting I work it on. I can get semidecent results, but acan still see the pooling. The Ilford Pearl is awesome and I have not had a bad print one come out on it, Only adjusting the color for best results, is the trouble with any paper
01/31/2004 07:19:06 PM · #24
Originally posted by photo:

I am looking for a photo printer to use with my camara-I am fed up with the crummy results and moronic service at my local 1 hour joint, I have looked at the HP 7960 & 7760(seem very similar) and some of the Epsons in the $200.-$300. range. I am a former 35mm Nikon & med format user but my home(non-digital)darkroom is getting dusty from non use. I want film like results for 8x10 and croped 4x6 prints(B&W Too).
Can these printers do it ?
Any advice is welcome.


I also used/use Nikon slr. Very particular about my prints. I use an Epson printer, inks, papers, etc. I have spent over 26 years in a manufacturing setting. I am a strong believer in using the supplies of the manufacturer. If you own a canon then use canon supplies. If Hp, then HP. If Epson then use epson supplies. These manufacturers have R&D departments that develop product to be optimized on their equipment.

I use the 2200, a little out of your stated range, but a strong contender in photo print quality. When doing your own printing, be prepared for hours and hours of darkroom time. It is very addictive, especially when your are serious about the outcome.

Message edited by author 2004-01-31 19:27:30.
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