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02/05/2004 05:38:19 AM · #1
I am in love. Fuji has done it S3 here I come.

:-)
TurboTech
02/05/2004 06:11:38 AM · #2
Excellent competition rocks.

S3 on DPreview
02/05/2004 06:17:29 AM · #3
Now all I have to do is figure out how to Tell my wife I want one now that she is pregnant.

LOL

boy the Timing is killing me.

Need some advice Jacko.

John :-)
02/05/2004 06:20:10 AM · #4
Turbo, I'm disapointed that I have to point this out to a male homo sapiens.

OK men. Here goes:

It's always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

You're welcome.

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 06:20:32.
02/05/2004 06:21:35 AM · #5
Yes.

We went From a ok'ed Budget of 10 grand on a Cam and a lens or two to.

Gee honey I am Pregnant.

LOL
02/05/2004 06:22:50 AM · #6
A new addition to photograph the new addition. Congrats on both.
02/05/2004 06:25:58 AM · #7
I wonder if the wife will let me trade in her car for one of those?
02/05/2004 06:34:58 AM · #8
Originally posted by dtouch1:

I wonder if the wife will let me trade in her car for one of those?


If not, trade in the wife!

I hear that the latest models by far outperform the earlier versions. The feature set is similar, but the performance is vastly improved. Food for thought...
02/05/2004 07:33:01 AM · #9
Originally posted by Turbotech:

Yes.

We went From a ok'ed Budget of 10 grand on a Cam and a lens or two to.

Gee honey I am Pregnant.

LOL


Well, I am very Happy for you! Is this your fist baby? If so you will be going crazy selling and changing everything for the baby, It is crazy that a little baby can change so much...But it is all good.
But on the other hand you need a great camera to take photos of the new baby with...*wink*

Good luck with it
Melissa
02/05/2004 07:50:48 AM · #10
The most valuable reminders of your children are provided by the pictures of them when they were young. The older you and your children get the more value the pictures get.

But I understand it might be difficult to argue that you cannot do that with your current camera and therefore need an upgrade.
02/05/2004 09:10:04 AM · #11
What do you think the price tag will be on that?
02/05/2004 09:54:38 AM · #12
Originally posted by KarenB:

What do you think the price tag will be on that?


More than the Digital Rebel most likely. But we can hope can't we?
02/05/2004 10:33:39 AM · #13
Originally posted by KarenB:

What do you think the price tag will be on that?

I would bet somewhere between $2500 and $3500

Looks nice, wonder what frame speed and buffer size it will have....

dr00l!
02/05/2004 11:23:57 AM · #14
The S20, the true S602 succesor, manages to keep the framespeed at 4.5fps where the S602 did 5fps. So my guess is that the same goes for the S3 vs the S2: same speed.
Again when you look at the S20 it outperforms the S602 when it comes to the buffer. It can keep the 4.5fps up to 10 frames where the S602 did 5. Take into account that the SR sensor has to move around twice the information of a normal SCCD, so the buffer is x4, but x2 effective. Save bet that the S2 does the same with its buffer.

I am a bit dissappointed about both cameras. Had expected larger sensors (1.3x to FF for the S3 and 2/3" for the S20). The S20 still has the same slow lens from the S602Z, with the same wide aperture, wideangle and telephoto softness. I would have been happy with a new / improved 35-150 lens or even shorter at the tele-end.

The SR technology is very good. The 3mp F700 (same small 1/1.7" SCCD SR as the S20, the S3 is of course APS/Nikon DX sized) resolves as much as the 5mp F717, is better as the 602 when it comes to noise. The only problem with the F700 was that it didn't blend the S and R image in the camera and not in the RAW converter as well. Through third party RAW converters it did magic (dynamic range).
These new camera's seem to be equipped with better RAW converters.

The S3 might just be able to kick Canon 1Ds ass with only 6mp. :)


02/05/2004 01:17:19 PM · #15
Recent surfing took me to megapixel.net where they give a numerical score for the cameras they review in two categories, Functionality and Photographic Quality. The Fuji S2 Pro rated the highest possible, a 10.00, in PhQ. The only other camera I could find with a 10 was the Canon D60. If the new SR sensors work as well as the press releases promise the S3 will be improved in the area where digital is at a disadvantage to film, dynamic range. The S3 Pro might be the one of the best DSLRs yet for image quality. I doubt it will compete with the 300D in price.

Some other PhQ scores:
Nikon D100- 9.75
Pentax*istD- 9.75
Oly 5060WZ- 9.60
Canon 300D- 9.40
Oly E-1- 9.25
Oly E20- 9.20
Sony 717- 9.20
Nikon CP5700- 9.00
Sony 828- 8.80
Fuji S602- 8.80
Kodak DX6490- 8.60
my Pro 90- 8.60
Sigma SD9- 8.25
02/05/2004 01:59:22 PM · #16
Originally posted by Jacko:

Excellent competition rocks.

S3 on DPreview


Did I read correctly that it runs on 4 AA batteries? That's got to be a typo???? Run far far away from any digi cam with such a system, esp a high end. I can't imagine why they'd use standard batteries? My 2mp olympus only lasted about an hour [1.5 tops] with 4 AA's. The price of batteries is astronomical. Seriously, did I read it wrong?
02/05/2004 02:06:59 PM · #17
Rechargable AA's will be plenty of power. With dSLR you don't have a lot of viewfinder use so your batterlife is much longer than that of a prosumer point and shoot digicam. My battery grip on the D100 has a carriage so you can use 4 AA's in it. I haven't use them, but when I go to Alaska in August, I'm sure that I'll be using AA's instead of the rechargables that come with the D100 (if the Nikon batteries run dry of course).

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by Jacko:

Excellent competition rocks.

S3 on DPreview


Did I read correctly that it runs on 4 AA batteries? That's got to be a typo???? Run far far away from any digi cam with such a system, esp a high end. I can't imagine why they'd use standard batteries? My 2mp olympus only lasted about an hour [1.5 tops] with 4 AA's. The price of batteries is astronomical. Seriously, did I read it wrong?

02/05/2004 02:07:36 PM · #18
yeah i would hope so.... (about reading it wrong)

I have a canon 10d... and it uses a battery pack..and lasts for AT LEAST on card full of pictures (around 200).... so it is enough for a round of pictures.. HOWEVER.. my brother who has a minolta i believe that uses batters... he says he has to bring a number of sets to just get througha shooting..... not ideal if you ask me.. i like my battery pack. and if i had the hand grip, which allowed 2 battery packs..i would be set for a LONG time.
02/05/2004 02:11:21 PM · #19
Originally posted by GoldBerry:


Did I read correctly that it runs on 4 AA batteries? That's got to be a typo???? Run far far away from any digi cam with such a system, esp a high end. I can't imagine why they'd use standard batteries? My 2mp olympus only lasted about an hour [1.5 tops] with 4 AA's. The price of batteries is astronomical. Seriously, did I read it wrong?


No you didn't read it wrong.
It is a great system. You can use NiMh rechargeable batteries up to the latest 2300 mAh models. Very cheap actually.

With the S602 I always have three sets on me and one set extra in the external flash. And if I run out of juice with one of those sets I can get 4 non-rechargeables everywhere.

The S2pro's manual says that the camera should be able to take 450 photos on one set of 1700 mAh rechargeable NiMh batteries (with a microdrive as storage).
Here is a list about how long some camera's work with 4 NiMh 1600 mAh batteries, that is a lot less juice compared to GP 2000 mAh.

Fujifilm Finepix S5000: 5.5 hours
Fujifilm Finepix S7000: 4.5 hours
Olympus C-5050: 3.75 hours
Fujifilm Finepix S602Z: 3.5 hours


02/05/2004 02:24:53 PM · #20
Originally posted by Azrifel:

And if I run out of juice with one of those sets I can get 4 non-rechargeables everywhere.


And that, along with not being tied to a proprietary battery design, is a huge benefit.

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 14:25:05.
02/05/2004 02:37:18 PM · #21
allright i went and found the offical stats on the canon battery pack... and it was 650 pictures without a flash... and so if you used two (with the grip)... i would expect double..
That is pretty grand if you ask me.

I agree there is some value in using rechargables... but there is value in using a battery pack as well.. i guess it is personal preferance... I still like my battery pack.
02/05/2004 03:04:04 PM · #22
I have had 5 digicams from 5 different makers. Only 2 used AA's so I have had to buy 4 different types of batteries/battery packs and 3 different chargers (my Pro 90 has a charger built into the camera). If all makers used the same batteries I could have saved a bundle. Even if it were not the very best possible type, a standard battery would benefit camera users a lot. Same goes for memory cards/storage media and AC adapters.

Photographers should be thanking Fuji.

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 15:06:01.
02/05/2004 03:30:37 PM · #23
YEAH CANON! *waves banner obnoxiously*

02/05/2004 04:06:24 PM · #24
Most pros prefer having a battery pack. It affords much faster swapping. Having to pop out 4 AA's, re-insert them individually in the correct orientation, etc. is a nightmare for somebody shooting an "event" (sports, wedding, etc.) where something might be missed because of the battery-switch. This is also partly the reason why a lot of pro photogs also use external battery packs for their strobes -- they can't afford to be swapping AA's.

I think if you look on some of the Fuji forums, you may see just as many complaints about the use of AA batteries...
02/05/2004 05:21:01 PM · #25
I think most "pros", as in real professional photographers, not just the wannabees that buy the same equipment, are using external power for their camera as well as their lighting. But for the rest of us, AAs would serve better than battery packs like my BP-511s. The one from Canon is 1100mAh. A single high quality rechargable AA has more than twice as much juice. At least four makers have their own propritary battery packs that are so much alike that a universal charger can be used for all of them. Propritary battery packs are just another way to squeeze some extra dollars out of the consumer.
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