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10/31/2007 01:13:06 AM · #26
iMac and iBook (quite old now) user here.

Oh, and guess what, just because the mac comes with an apple mouse, doesn't mean you have to use it! I use a regular left-right button mouse. rather than the mac supplied mouse.

Originally posted by justamistere:


I find a mouse with a left-right button and a clickable wheel, the most efficient.
10/31/2007 01:13:29 AM · #27
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Sheryll:

I'm leaning toward mobility for now and get the desktop later.


I got rid of my desktop in favor of a notebook. Well, I replaced a notebook and a desktop with a notebook. There are few reasons now to have both.


Yup, it looks really cool and offical and all (like having a blue tooth headset hanging out of your ear) but I use a Laptop as a last resort... laptops are consumables out dated in two years or less.
10/31/2007 01:18:00 AM · #28
Originally posted by awpollard:

I use a Laptop as a last resort... laptops are consumables out dated in two years or less.


I switched to a laptop as my full time workstation. With dual monitor support and external drives (which I always needed on my PC anyway, due to the huge number of images I am taking and storing), it doesn't really feel any different from a desktop PC. HOWEVER, I can unplug the external drives in a moment's notice and "be on the road" with it. It's extremely handy for processing wedding pictures in the parking lot in between the ceremony and the reception. :-)

10/31/2007 01:18:47 AM · #29
Run everything I use daily on a Mac. Have Windows around since I do tech support for both platforms.
10/31/2007 01:25:28 AM · #30
Originally posted by dwterry:


I switched to a laptop as my full time workstation. With dual monitor support and external drives (which I always needed on my PC anyway, due to the huge number of images I am taking and storing), it doesn't really feel any different from a desktop PC. HOWEVER, I can unplug the external drives in a moment's notice and "be on the road" with it. It's extremely handy for processing wedding pictures in the parking lot in between the ceremony and the reception. :-)


That's how I feel about it... that and I kinda got depressed being forced to sit in one spot of my house while editing photos. Now, I can sit in a recliner with LR running if I want and do the processing there.
10/31/2007 01:36:58 AM · #31
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

If you like to do work with your computer, get a Mac.

If you like to work on your computer, get a PC.

And if you like to do both buy a new Mac and a copy of the Windows OS and do both -- with some additional software assistance (and a lot of RAM) you can do both at the same time, even copying a file from a Windows folder to a Mac Folder ...

BTW: The Mac share of the PC market is up to about 8% -- not bad considering that the market for Windows PCs is fragmented among many manufacturers ... I'm guessing that only HP and Dell are the only individual companiesv which have a really significantly larger market share ...

Macs are also still (so far) less vulnerable to viruses and other hacking ...

I use both platforms both at home and at work, though mostly in stable older versions (W2000 Pro, Mac OS 9.2, 10.3.8) -- at work we have Macs still working productively running System 7.5.3 (c. mid-1990's).
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One more note on Macs -- while they have traditionally been viewed as "more expensive" than the equivalently-configured PC, this overlooks two major factors:

• set-up time for the Mac is typically an order of magnitude less than for a PC

• Macs come with a suite of software which is actually useful:
-Photo editor
-Video editor
-DVD editor
-Multitrack recording studio
-etc....

Together those factors are usually worth the $2-400 price difference.
10/31/2007 01:39:57 AM · #32
PC and lovin it, although my mouse is broke, and i can only left click, so i feel like im on one of them macs that hace a single button mouse:P
10/31/2007 01:57:35 AM · #33
I am using one of the first Powermac G5's at 1.8Ghz, with 2.5 G ram, and OS 10.4 Daily online for about 3 years now at least 3 hours daily, and no bugs or problems yet, with the minor exception that I can't manually put it to sleep mode, which isn't a problem for me anyway. It has room for 8 gigs of ram, which would be handy for video editing but is more than I can afford for no more than I would use it.
One click mouse is fine with me, it's faster than I can think about what I want to do anyway.
10/31/2007 02:05:27 AM · #34
Thanks GeneralE!! Okay so if the Market is about 8% for Mac users then can we assume that DPC would be at about that? Or since Mac is used so extensively in the creative fields then should we assume that DPCers are a little higher than the average market?

Oh and I'm not completely getting the one click mouse comments because the "one click" mouse I use on the imac's in class can still be right clicked by pushing down that side of the mouse.
10/31/2007 02:08:04 AM · #35
Originally posted by Sheryll:

Or since Mac is used so extensively in the creative fields then should we assume that DPCers are a little higher than the average market?


Would be a fairly safe assumption.
10/31/2007 02:08:04 AM · #36
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Message edited by author 2007-10-31 02:08:27.
10/31/2007 02:08:20 AM · #37
I'll avoid debate and try to stick on topic :)

As of today, mac is main home computer replacing win xp box. Work comp is Windows and i have a couple of play computers with various linux installations kicking around just so i can maintain my nerdyness lol.

Go laptop if you want to work on stuff away from a home/school computer (i.e. in between classes, going down to the beach, bus/train rides, etc). But don't forget you may still need access to net (sometimes hard to find but getting easier) as well as power (depending on how long you work unplugged).

Go full computer if you have easy access to computers that have the software/programs you need. If the only thing you need to carry are work files and you have easy access to computers then a full computer and 1 or 2 USB keys should do the trick (cheap for a 2 gig usb key and easy to carry a couple around).

Screen size is another consideration though. I like a big work areas (on xp had dual displays going). The 15/17" screens are ok for portable use but not for home use. So that could be an added cost on top of the laptop (lots are happy with the 15/17" screen size full time on its own so its not a must).

For my purpose, a usb key and an internet connection is good enough for 99% of the things i do. I travel to get away from computers not to bring them with me lol Never mind the fact that it would be another thing i'd have to lug around :P

As for which OS would be best, consider what you use at school and what potential employment companies (if not going self employed) would be using when deciding between PC/Mac. You want which ever will not make you have to duplicate software purchases. Adobe i think lets you buy once and change platforms (thought i read that somewhere and i could be wrong). Check your software websites to find out for sure and that might make decision easier.

Hope that helps :)

Off topic but in this thread :)

Mac OS can port to a non mac PC but it violates license agreement and some features of the Mac OS don't work

10/31/2007 02:52:04 AM · #38
Apple's "mighty mouse" in wired or blue tooth wireless has left and right button capability, PLUS a 360 degree scroll "wheel" capability built in.
10/31/2007 10:41:40 AM · #39
Originally posted by Sheryll:

Thanks GeneralE!! Okay so if the Market is about 8% for Mac users then can we assume that DPC would be at about that? Or since Mac is used so extensively in the creative fields then should we assume that DPCers are a little higher than the average market?

Oh and I'm not completely getting the one click mouse comments because the "one click" mouse I use on the imac's in class can still be right clicked by pushing down that side of the mouse.


The ol' Macs are better because of their use in the creative markets has been an "Wives Tale" for like forever. The tale usually begins in institutions where Macs are all college Profs have and know...add the anti-establishment element and impressionable beings and wala.

Anyone remember Xerox Ventura Publisher (now Corel) running on a 80386sx16 for desktop publishing?

I have always done my media creation on a PC, I have a 48-Track recording studio for doing my music, it's pretty darn easy and funny the music don't sound any different.

Photos don't look any differnt edited on any platform...I've seen some crumby photos from all of them. The platform you use doesn't add some kind of magic to make anything any better. The skillz you provide is where stuff happens.

I can say this, my Bro runs a Grapics Design print shop up north and that a couple years back all the Macs in the shop were swapped out with Windoze based PCs, because the reliablity of the Macs is not always what is reported in forums and user groups.

The bottom: line get what you want because that is whats going not make you happy. Don't base a decision on he said she said it will ultimately catch up with you... It's your money.
10/31/2007 11:10:39 AM · #40
Originally posted by awpollard:

Bro runs a Grapics Design print shop up north and that a couple years back all the Macs in the shop were swapped out with Windoze based PCs, because the reliablity of the Macs is not always what is reported in forums and user groups.


A local graphics firm did the same thing here some years back, touting the hundreds of dollars he'd save on equipment. The support costs quickly dwarfed that savings, and then the Love Bug virus put them out of business for good. ;-)
10/31/2007 11:36:32 AM · #41
Originally posted by awpollard:



The ol' Macs are better because of their use in the creative markets has been an "Wives Tale" for like forever. The tale usually begins in institutions where Macs are all college Profs have and know...add the anti-establishment element and impressionable beings and wala.



Macs still are the overwhelming choice for graphics and publishing firms and newspapers. Even Windows/PC magazines are published from Macs in most instances. Nice little irony there.

I saw a cartoon once where a writer came up to a mac user saying his PC crashed and asked if he could use the mac to finish his article about how Apple is no longer relevant. ;-)

10/31/2007 11:47:49 AM · #42
For the amount I will spend on a Mac - I can upgrade memory from 2G to 4G, hard-drive from 80G to 320G, 17" LCD to 24" ultra bright LCD!

I can bare with some Windows hiccups!

10/31/2007 11:58:42 AM · #43
Originally posted by vikas:

For the amount I will spend on a Mac - I can upgrade memory from 2G to 4G, hard-drive from 80G to 320G, 17" LCD to 24" ultra bright LCD!

I can bare with some Windows hiccups!


So what your saying is you can upgrade the PC hardware to match the Mac specs for the same price?

What about the OS? Vista upgrades come in 4 price points. You get the full Ultimate, Premium, A1 Mac OS for $129.

Sure, Windows is good enough. If "good enough" is good enough, then go for it.

Message edited by author 2007-10-31 12:06:31.
10/31/2007 12:12:53 PM · #44
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by vikas:

For the amount I will spend on a Mac - I can upgrade memory from 2G to 4G, hard-drive from 80G to 320G, 17" LCD to 24" ultra bright LCD!

I can bare with some Windows hiccups!


So what your saying is you can upgrade the PC hardware to match the Mac specs for the same price?

What about the OS? Vista upgrades come in 4 price points. You get the full Ultimate, Premium, A1 Mac OS for $129.

Sure, Windows is god enough. If "good enough" is good enough, then go for it.


IMAC from Apple Store
* 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1GB memory
* 250GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB memory
$1,199.00

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Dell Inspiron 530, Intel® Core™2 Duo E4400, 1.80GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB, 19 inch SE198WFP Widescreen Flat Panel, 16X DVD+/-RW Drive, Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium

$649 at Dell.com (after rebates)

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Even if I upgrade the second configuration - which is already better in terms of hardware configuration than what Mac is offering I will be paying less than $1200

So what I am saying is I can upgrade PC hardware to surpass the MAC specs at the same price, as for the OS support, well it depends on how a person uses it!

4 years of using my Windows XP, I have never called the support number - by no means I am voting for XP being better than Mac OS or other way round, I would vote for even avoid those $129 and get yourself a copy of Ubuntu. All I am saying is Mac charges way more for what they are offering - I love their designs but if I look at the functionality I can get way better performance than what they are offering me at the price!

10/31/2007 12:16:32 PM · #45
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by vikas:

For the amount I will spend on a Mac - I can upgrade memory from 2G to 4G, hard-drive from 80G to 320G, 17" LCD to 24" ultra bright LCD!

I can bare with some Windows hiccups!


So what your saying is you can upgrade the PC hardware to match the Mac specs for the same price?

What about the OS? Vista upgrades come in 4 price points. You get the full Ultimate, Premium, A1 Mac OS for $129.

Sure, Windows is good enough. If "good enough" is good enough, then go for it.


i dont know why people keep trying to bash the other, don't you see its like politics or religion or any topic like that? you just reduce the conversation to bashing. I prefer pc's but i dont begrudge you for liking macs, i dont doubt at all there are great things about the mac. there are great things about the pc as well. at the hospitals i work for we have TONS of pc's that have chugged along with no problems for years now. Yesterday i replaced a 1ghz desktop but only because of new software that needed to be run. the only place we run macs is in our print shop. mac is just one of those things that will never be run by the majority, it has a niche, and thats fine but sometimes i think mac users get a chip on their shoulder because of that and have a cult following. its easy to hate windows because they are the big guys. people would have us think jobs and the apple company are infallible.....look at the problems the iphone had when it first came out but the faithful are willing to turn a blind eye to those things
10/31/2007 12:27:57 PM · #46
Originally posted by vikas:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by vikas:

For the amount I will spend on a Mac - I can upgrade memory from 2G to 4G, hard-drive from 80G to 320G, 17" LCD to 24" ultra bright LCD!

I can bare with some Windows hiccups!


So what your saying is you can upgrade the PC hardware to match the Mac specs for the same price?

What about the OS? Vista upgrades come in 4 price points. You get the full Ultimate, Premium, A1 Mac OS for $129.

Sure, Windows is god enough. If "good enough" is good enough, then go for it.


IMAC from Apple Store
* 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1GB memory
* 250GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB memory
$1,199.00

--------

Dell Inspiron 530, Intel® Core™2 Duo E4400, 1.80GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB, 19 inch SE198WFP Widescreen Flat Panel, 16X DVD+/-RW Drive, Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium

$649 at Dell.com (after rebates)

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Even if I upgrade the second configuration - which is already better in terms of hardware configuration than what Mac is offering I will be paying less than $1200

So what I am saying is I can upgrade PC hardware to surpass the MAC specs at the same price, as for the OS support, well it depends on how a person uses it!

4 years of using my Windows XP, I have never called the support number - by no means I am voting for XP being better than Mac OS or other way round, I would vote for even avoid those $129 and get yourself a copy of Ubuntu. All I am saying is Mac charges way more for what they are offering - I love their designs but if I look at the functionality I can get way better performance than what they are offering me at the price!


No bashing intended, I just enjoy the conversation. I've always said get what's best for you. But you should know what you are getting.

The Dell offering is a slower processor, same RAM, smaller screen, marginally bigger HD, video is shared from the RAM on the Dell, dedicated video on the iMac, and the Dell comes with a dumbed down OS (Vista Home Edition).

Upgrade the processor, add a video card, add a built in video camera, upgrade to Vista Premium, add good photo management (iPhoto), video editing (iMovie), music creation (Garage Band), DVD authoring (iDVD), Web Authoring (iWeb) THEN compare the price.

The Mac will look like a bargain.

Again, all in good fun people.
10/31/2007 12:51:32 PM · #47
We've always had at least one home computer for 28 years. Now both my wife and I have iMacs, and an iBook for travel. Our first Macs (and they won't be our last). I have Parallels on mine to access Windows apps I still need. I've estimated the "Apple surcharge" to be $100-$200, but it is subjective. We've found it worth it for systems that are just more pleasant to use.

Also have older Win XP Pro systems in use, one as the file server, and a second as a AV server in our living room. The latter would be better as a Mac Mini or perhaps an Apple TV. The file server is a 5 year old Dell that runs 24/7 since new, has never crashed, and has had no repairs.

Frankly, I think it's all a matter of personal preference. The hardware is equally reliable if you avoid the cheap consumer PCs, and both systems have solid software if you don't go overboard installing junk apps. My sole OS reinstall in 6 years was when a hard drive failed on a 2 year old PC. A Dell notebook had its DVD drive fail under warranty. These are the only failures of any of our systems.
10/31/2007 01:01:11 PM · #48
If you can compare a Dell with rebates, then you can certainly shop around for a Mac. Here's a 2.16GHz, 24" iMac with free printer for $1299 that includes standard features like Gigabit ethernet, Firewire 800, and built-in iSight camera that aren't even available as options on the Dell. That also doesn't consider all the software that the Mac comes with, and the hidden cost of antivirus/spyware utilities you'll have to add to the PC. The Dell isn't an all-in-one model either. Here's a better comparison.

You could literally unpack the Mac, plug it into a cable modem, upload, sort and edit RAW files from your camera and submit an entry to DPC without adding a single thing to the computer. Heck, the Dell doesn't even include speakers in the standard configuration! :-O
10/31/2007 01:10:19 PM · #49
What I like about it (mac) is the programs and how they either work together and/or use similiar tools so that when you see an emblem for a tool in indesign it looks the same in cs3 etc, etc. They're separate programs that do different things but they work together too. In windows there are so many makers of different programs that they don't all work together and one program looks, feels and works differently than another and isn't compatible really with another. I like the fact that all those programs and things that need to be there are still there but behind the scenes and aren't staring at me when I go look for something. It just seems more organized and simple to me working on a mac than it does on windows. I like organized. I like compatability. I like teamwork. The programs in the creative suite work like a team to get complex creative jobs done. Yes I know its the user that does the work and I know if the user sucks then the jobs going to suck but, the organized compatable environment on a mac help me focus on creativity instead of working out how to convert an item into the format that it needs to be in order to work with a different program since "this one" doesn't do what I need it too.

I don't know if any of that made any sense.
10/31/2007 02:21:18 PM · #50
Originally posted by Sheryll:

I looked through the forums and read some but I'm curious now how many DPCers (or percentage) use MAC / PC. If anyone has any idea.

Right now I use Elements 5.0 on a PC at home but in my college classes I'm learning CS3 on MAC. I'm now saving up for a MAC but not sure what I want exactly. I'm thinking the MACBOOK PRO with the creative suite because it's not just photography I'm learning but sound, video, and graphic design as well.


Alrighty then...

[devil's advocate]

You made your mind up before you even posted. You knew what direction you are headed...just not which model.

What was the real intent of this Mac vs PC thread?

Was it just a harmless "How many use what Platform"? or Something much deeper?

[/devil's advocate]

Message edited by author 2007-10-31 14:21:55.
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