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11/18/2007 03:41:00 PM · #1
Hi there,

I don't really know much at all about cameras/specifications etc, I just use my old digi and shoot.

However, my dad has offered to buy me a new camera for Christmas, and he's asked me to look at a few online.... but I have no idea what is good and what is not.

Would you guys be able to help me out?

Upper limit would be £300.

Oh, and I live in England.

Thanks in advance!

Nichola x
11/18/2007 03:57:55 PM · #2
A Canon G7 or the newer G9
Fuji S9600
Nikon 8800

Depends really on where you want to go with it... DSLR and lens then you would have to look at the used section in a decent camera shop.
11/18/2007 04:16:47 PM · #3
If you want a dSLR, then there's always the Nikon D40. £299 from Amazon
11/18/2007 04:21:39 PM · #4
Is that about $440?
11/18/2007 04:22:55 PM · #5
Canon G9,,,wonderful, just got one, shoots raw too.
You should get it for under £300,I got it from egears.com £259.00 but I tracked the UPS via USA, so I assume no warranty or I'll struggle if needed.
Paul.
11/18/2007 04:23:39 PM · #6
£300 = US$613

Woah.... that's bad!
11/18/2007 04:51:21 PM · #7
Thanks guys,

Just checking out each of your suggestions now.

As for the Nikon D40 - this looks like a good deal, yes? Whicuh "bundles" should I start out with?

//www.camerabox.co.uk/product1.asp?ProductID=1345&gclid=CNiPt_6v548CFQWIMAod3Bt8ZA
11/18/2007 05:00:58 PM · #8
Originally posted by Nichola:

Thanks guys,

Just checking out each of your suggestions now.

As for the Nikon D40 - this looks like a good deal, yes? Whicuh "bundles" should I start out with?

First make sure you want to go with a dSLR. This is an important decision as you're buying into a 'system' of lenses.

The D40 is a good starting point. Go with the kit lens and a 2Gb memory card to start. Then next year blow all your money on tripods, flashes, lenses etc..etc... ;-)
11/18/2007 05:14:54 PM · #9
If you want to look at Canon gear (in the UK) it's well worth looking at the Canon Outlet site on ebay.

Refurbished kit - but I've bought a number of items from there and it has always been immaculate, and arrived in full Canon box, with all paperwork and accessories.

//stores.ebay.co.uk/Canon-Outlet

You should be able to get a Canon 400D with kit lens for the money your talking.



Message edited by author 2007-11-18 17:15:24.
11/18/2007 05:33:56 PM · #10
Originally posted by Jedusi:

If you want to look at Canon gear (in the UK) it's well worth looking at the Canon Outlet site on ebay.

Refurbished kit - but I've bought a number of items from there and it has always been immaculate, and arrived in full Canon box, with all paperwork and accessories.

//stores.ebay.co.uk/Canon-Outlet

You should be able to get a Canon 400D with kit lens for the money your talking.


Thanks!

I know this sounds stupid, but what is a refurbished kit? *blushes* Is it something that was someone elses before and has just been cleaned, parts put in etc?

Again, thanks to all of you *hugs*
11/18/2007 05:36:29 PM · #11
Oh, and...

//www.dpchallenge.com/camera.php?action=browse&view=owners&orderby=OWNERS&sort=desc&page=1

According to this the 300D is most popular... does this mean it is the best camera?
11/18/2007 05:40:51 PM · #12
Originally posted by Nichola:

According to this the 300D is most popular... does this mean it is the best camera?

No, it's just been around the longest. I'm not sure you can even buy that model anymore.
11/18/2007 05:49:52 PM · #13
Originally posted by Nichola:

Oh, and...

//www.dpchallenge.com/camera.php?action=browse&view=owners&orderby=OWNERS&sort=desc&page=1

According to this the 300D is most popular... does this mean it is the best camera?


**from their site...**

Types of Products Sold
(Refurbished / New)

The products sold on eBay are either classified as "new" or "refurbished" (see the beginning of this item description).

Refurbished products are 100% OK and therefore we can offer them with a 1 year manufacturer's warranty. There is nothing wrong with these products! All refurbished products are sealed with an authentic Canon seal!

We just can't sell a refurbished item as new because...

- ...it was used as demo product (at trade fairs etc.), or

- ...the outside carton box was slightly damaged during transportation (and then replaced by a neutral brown packaging), or

- ...it was sold and the box was opened. Then the item got returned to Canon.

Upon return to our facility, a product of this type is put through a full set of functional test procedures, cleaned, repaired (if needed), and refreshed with a set of in-box materials (manuals, accessories, cables...) and sealed. The packaging of the product may either be the original Canon packaging or a neutral (brown) packaging. The core product itself may (exceptionally) contain minor cosmetic blemishes. Please contact us regarding product issues before leaving negative feedback on eBay - Thank you!

wish I hadn't clicked now, might just get myself a refurbished 5D
11/18/2007 06:00:13 PM · #14
Thanks to all again, you've been so helpful (",)

Canon 400D

So this one looks pretty cool.... yes?
11/18/2007 06:05:54 PM · #15
Originally posted by Nichola:

Thanks to all again, you've been so helpful (",)

Canon 400D

So this one looks pretty cool.... yes?


yeah, great camera for getting into DSLR photography - would be a good choice. Obviously make sure you get a lens with it.
11/18/2007 06:07:35 PM · #16
Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by Nichola:

Thanks to all again, you've been so helpful (",)

Canon 400D

So this one looks pretty cool.... yes?


yeah, great camera for getting into DSLR photography - would be a good choice. Obviously make sure you get a lens with it.


Yep, lens, will make sure :)

Which one would you go for on that page?
11/18/2007 06:13:06 PM · #17
Originally posted by Nichola:

Yep, lens, will make sure :)

What sort of focal range are you interested in?
11/18/2007 06:14:05 PM · #18
Nothing wrong with a Canon 350D (over the 400D), if you'd prefer to use the extra money on lenses.

As far as the Nikon D40 goes, I can't help but mention that it is fully compatible with only a very few Nikon lenses, including most of the good ones. You'll lose auto focus on all but a few Nikkor lenses. Because of that, I have a really hard time recommending it as a camera for anyone interested in getting into photography.

Message edited by author 2007-11-18 18:16:10.
11/18/2007 06:15:26 PM · #19
Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Nichola:

Yep, lens, will make sure :)

What sort of focal range are you interested in?


I'm going to have to embarrass myself again... but I don't know what focal range is. *should actually educate herself* lol.

Basically, I take pictures of everything... and anything, but have no idea about any technical specs whatsoever or techniques....
11/18/2007 06:16:55 PM · #20
Originally posted by Nichola:

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Nichola:

Yep, lens, will make sure :)

What sort of focal range are you interested in?


I'm going to have to embarrass myself again... but I don't know what focal range is. *should actually educate herself* lol.

Basically, I take pictures of everything... and anything, but have no idea about any technical specs whatsoever or techniques....


What do you like to shoot, most?
Portraits, Landscapes, macro (closeups)?

Message edited by author 2007-11-18 18:17:16.
11/18/2007 06:20:13 PM · #21
Originally posted by Nichola:

I'm going to have to embarrass myself again... but I don't know what focal range is. *should actually educate herself* lol.

Yeah, sorry about that, I couldn't resist! :)

I think you should find out what you're buying first, it sounds like you're making a 5-second decision based on what people in a forum are telling you. Like, do you know what the main differences between a P&S (like the camera you have now) and a dSLR are? - Do you realise, for example, that when you're taking photos with a dSLR you can't see the shot on the LCD monitor on the back that you have to look through the viewfinder? And did you consider other things like how bulky a dSLR would be compared to your current camera?

Not trying to put you off or anything, but you should at least go to a camera shop and try out a few of the dSLRs first to see what you think of them in your hand.

What's one or two more days in this decision? - It took me two years before I decided to go for a dSLR.
11/18/2007 06:23:13 PM · #22
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Nichola:

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Nichola:

Yep, lens, will make sure :)

What sort of focal range are you interested in?


I'm going to have to embarrass myself again... but I don't know what focal range is. *should actually educate herself* lol.

Basically, I take pictures of everything... and anything, but have no idea about any technical specs whatsoever or techniques....


What do you like to shoot, most?
Portraits, Landscapes, macro (closeups)?


All of the above really :D

I suppose my favourite type would be candid and landscape though.
11/18/2007 06:27:13 PM · #23
Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Nichola:

I'm going to have to embarrass myself again... but I don't know what focal range is. *should actually educate herself* lol.

Yeah, sorry about that, I couldn't resist! :)

I think you should find out what you're buying first, it sounds like you're making a 5-second decision based on what people in a forum are telling you. Like, do you know what the main differences between a P&S (like the camera you have now) and a dSLR are? - Do you realise, for example, that when you're taking photos with a dSLR you can't see the shot on the LCD monitor on the back that you have to look through the viewfinder? And did you consider other things like how bulky a dSLR would be compared to your current camera?

Not trying to put you off or anything, but you should at least go to a camera shop and try out a few of the dSLRs first to see what you think of them in your hand.

What's one or two more days in this decision? - It took me two years before I decided to go for a dSLR.


I'm not deciding tonight.... no way! :) Maybe it came across that way though :) I'm tipping my toes in the water... I'm going to research this a lot.

Erm... to make things simple for you guys (who are so sweetly helping a damsel in distress ;o))... I guess I should outline what I want:

Something with a screen so I can see the picture before I shoot it
Something I can shoot with in b&w
Something that will take a few shots at once
Something which is versatile i.e. can take landscapes or close ups
Something which takes clearly and good quality

Does such a camera exist for under £300? :D
11/18/2007 06:37:54 PM · #24
Okay, let me attempt some answers;

Something with a screen so I can see the picture before I shoot it

All P&S cameras do this. Most dSLRs don't (although there are a few that offer the live view feature). With dSLRs you have to look through the viewfinder. But the advantage is that you're seeing the exact optical view that the lens sees, you're not looking at it on a screen. Also, the viewfinders on dSLRs tend to give a much larger and clearer view than the cheap viewfinders you'll find on P&S cameras. So don't let this put you off.

Something I can shoot with in b&w

All cameras either have a mode that does this, or it's a very quick menu option in your graphics editor. Hint: Shoot everything in colour, and then convert to B&W afterwards. At least that way you've still got the colour shot intact if you ever change your mind.

Something that will take a few shots at once

By this, do you mean shots in rapid succession? Like 4 or 5 shots every second? If yes, then you'll need to look at dSLRs

Something which is versatile i.e. can take landscapes or close ups

For the maximum versatility, look at dSLRs. You can buy more lenses and swap them depending on what you want to shoot. With a P&S you're stuck with one lens. Although in most cases the lens on a P&S caters to a general range (landscape to macro is possible) - You won't get the same quality as you would from a dedicated dSLR lens.

Something which takes clearly and good quality

Most P&S or dSLRs from the past couple of years do this. Don't be fooled by the megapixel count. This has very little to do with image quality, it's mostly used by the marketing department.

Does such a camera exist for under £300?

Yes.
11/18/2007 06:44:56 PM · #25
Originally posted by jhonan:

Okay, let me attempt some answers;

Lots of helpful stuff


Wow, you are incredibley helpful, thank you very much :)

Ok, so now I have settled on a dSLR, know not to shoot in b&w, and to not bother about megapixel jargon....

Would you still say go with the Nikon or the Canon? And which ones.

*thank you*

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