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01/27/2008 07:44:07 PM · #1
I'm planning on buying a budget $700 of slr camera. I don't want to spend more. so I have been looking around at different forums and suggestions from cnet and it just seems more people lean towards canon's cameras?
Canon EOS 350D Rebel XT
Sony Alpha DSLR-A100
Let me know what you guys think . . . any suggestion as to which camera to get would be really helpful and appreciated . . . Thanks.

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01/27/2008 07:58:33 PM · #2
Think about the lenses available. That should answer the question.
01/27/2008 08:04:00 PM · #3
yep you'll spend far more on lenses than the camera
01/27/2008 08:35:14 PM · #4
Stick with Canon or Nikon.

Jeremy
01/27/2008 09:05:40 PM · #5
Take a look at this site for forums, reviews (lens, camera, software, etc...), and other general information ==> dyxum.com

Sony just released the A200 which could be worth a look. Personally, I'm set for awhile and haven't looked at this one at all.

As for lens, the Sony DSLR cameras accept all Minolta 'A' mount lenses that are available under various brands (Minolta, Sony, Sigma, Tamron, and others). They've been around for decades - no shortage of lens to choose from. Plus, with image stablization built into the camera body you won't need to shell out extra $$$ for every lens (Nikon and Canon lens with built-in IS have to factor that expense in with every lens).

Look around, do some reading, get in a camera store that carries multiple brands and handle some for yourself as fit, feel, and comfort are important factors also.

Good luck! :-)
01/27/2008 09:20:30 PM · #6
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Take a look at this site for forums, reviews (lens, camera, software, etc...), and other general information ==> dyxum.com

Sony just released the A200 which could be worth a look. Personally, I'm set for awhile and haven't looked at this one at all.

As for lens, the Sony DSLR cameras accept all Minolta 'A' mount lenses that are available under various brands (Minolta, Sony, Sigma, Tamron, and others). They've been around for decades - no shortage of lens to choose from. Plus, with image stablization built into the camera body you won't need to shell out extra $$$ for every lens (Nikon and Canon lens with built-in IS have to factor that expense in with every lens).

Look around, do some reading, get in a camera store that carries multiple brands and handle some for yourself as fit, feel, and comfort are important factors also.

Good luck! :-)


Man you have A700, I handled one in local store here and fallen in love with it. How fast it focus.
Sadly can not buy it. Outta my budget.
01/27/2008 10:05:36 PM · #7
Sony tends to have more noise.
01/27/2008 10:10:21 PM · #8
Originally posted by Sonifo:

Sony tends to have more noise.


Well true and false.
My R1 has more noise than normal cams, but it gives me helluva lot of details.
The new cams like A700 have less noise, but at the expense of details. This is true for all the brands. (And yes I have seen canon SLR files, if you tempt mention them).
01/27/2008 10:13:22 PM · #9
Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Sony tends to have more noise.


Well true and false.
My R1 has more noise than normal cams, but it gives me helluva lot of details.
The new cams like A700 have less noise, but at the expense of details. This is true for all the brands. (And yes I have seen canon SLR files, if you tempt mention them).


Wouldn't this depend on how much in camera sharpening is being applied and whether you are shooting RAW or not and how aggressive the post noise reduction is?
01/27/2008 10:17:21 PM · #10
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Sony tends to have more noise.


Well true and false.
My R1 has more noise than normal cams, but it gives me helluva lot of details.
The new cams like A700 have less noise, but at the expense of details. This is true for all the brands. (And yes I have seen canon SLR files, if you tempt mention them).


Wouldn't this depend on how much in camera sharpening is being applied and whether you are shooting RAW or not and how aggressive the post noise reduction is?


yes.
01/27/2008 10:21:37 PM · #11
Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Sony tends to have more noise.


Well true and false.
My R1 has more noise than normal cams, but it gives me helluva lot of details.
The new cams like A700 have less noise, but at the expense of details. This is true for all the brands. (And yes I have seen canon SLR files, if you tempt mention them).


Wouldn't this depend on how much in camera sharpening is being applied and whether you are shooting RAW or not and how aggressive the post noise reduction is?


just from experience I noticed the sonys have more noise no matter what setting I use. and believe me..I have tried them all. I do not shoot in raw because it tends to give me more noise when I go to edit it so I prefer jpeg. I don't use noise reduction to often..I did a few years ago but I learned how to mess with settings in my camera to avoid the noise as much as possible rather than messing with it later on in CS2. Now if I still used my old camera (sony) for taking prints I would probably use the noise reduction(neat image)
01/27/2008 10:25:11 PM · #12
Originally posted by Sonifo:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by zxaar:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Sony tends to have more noise.


Well true and false.
My R1 has more noise than normal cams, but it gives me helluva lot of details.
The new cams like A700 have less noise, but at the expense of details. This is true for all the brands. (And yes I have seen canon SLR files, if you tempt mention them).


Wouldn't this depend on how much in camera sharpening is being applied and whether you are shooting RAW or not and how aggressive the post noise reduction is?


just from experience I noticed the sonys have more noise no matter what setting I use. and believe me..I have tried them all. I do not shoot in raw because it tends to give me more noise when I go to edit it so I prefer jpeg. I don't use noise reduction to often..I did a few years ago but I learned how to mess with settings in my camera to avoid the noise as much as possible rather than messing with it later on in CS2. Now if I still used my old camera (sony) for taking prints I would probably use the noise reduction(neat image)


I think one of the things about A700 was its low noise performance. (If I believe the posters at dpreview.com)
But I felt it was because of noise reduction applied to them. With canons I have seen they produce low noise, but there is loss in details. (But still they are better than Sony in noise performance overall)
01/27/2008 10:40:00 PM · #13
Originally posted by Sonifo:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Sony tends to have more noise.


just from experience I noticed the sonys have more noise no matter what setting I use. and believe me..I have tried them all. ...

... Now if I still used my old camera (sony) for taking prints I would probably use the noise reduction(neat image)

No disrespect intended here, but you say "I have tried them all". You must be refering to point & shoot models? Sony, prior to the A700 (and now A200) had only one model, the A100. Those are what's been released since Sony's buyout of Konica-Minolta.

Current testing and reviews of new Sony DSLR cameras are showing performance on equal footing with cameras of the same class in the Canon and Nikon lineups. Each have strengths and limitations. All are a fine choice depending on what works best for each individual.

From Camera Test: Sony Alpha 700
Originally posted by PopPhoto:

In the Pop Photo Lab, the camera lived up to its advance billing in image quality, with Excellent resolution results throughout its ISO range. Performance was particularly strong at higher ISOs -- 1600 through 6400 -- where noise suppression causes many DSLRs to take a heavy hit in sharpness. At ISO 1600, resolution was 2160 lines average; at 6400, 2050 lines average. That equals or beats the Nikon D200 at ISO 100.

The A700 kept noise to Low or better through ISO 800, and Moderate through ISO 3200. Noise just barely slipped into the Unacceptable level at ISO 6400 with a score of 3.1. Though good, this isn't up to scores from the Nikon D80 or Canon EOS 40D.

Still, given these numbers, and a color accuracy score of 8.9 (with 8.0 being the cutoff for Excellent), we judge the overall image quality Excellent up to ISO 800, and Extremely High through ISO 3200.


edit - typo.

Message edited by author 2008-01-27 22:41:11.
01/27/2008 11:05:40 PM · #14
400XTi kit $589 From B&H, a reputable dealer.
Even leaves you some money for a second battery or a bag.

Canon's lenses are cheaper to buy, more selection, easier to find used, easier to sell used.
01/28/2008 12:55:28 AM · #15
Uhhh... Mercedes or a Pinto would be a better question!
01/28/2008 11:38:22 AM · #16
Originally posted by glad2badad:


No disrespect intended here, but you say "I have tried them all". You must be refering to point & shoot models?


Well..no that isn't what I meant. I have tried all the settings in all my cameras. I haven't tried all cameras. hehehe.. would be nice if I had that sort of money. I was just referring to the ones I had.
01/28/2008 11:42:00 AM · #17
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


Canon's lenses are cheaper to buy, more selection, easier to find used, easier to sell used.


That's a very valid point. Although there is quality Minolta glass to be found used, Canon seems to do well in the second-hand market.
01/28/2008 01:14:33 PM · #18
I used to own a DSLR from othen than the Top 2 market share leaders--a Pentax K100D. My biggest gripe was that it was generally impossible to rent a lens anywhere. When in the market for a new lens, I like to rent it first.

02/10/2008 11:51:17 AM · #19
Originally posted by jtf6agent:

Uhhh... Mercedes or a Pinto would be a better question!


I started years ago with Canon, but my budget was only about $700. I handled the EOS-350D, Nikon, and Sony A100. It comes down to build quality. If I had the money I would probably sell my A100 and all my lenses and get a 1Ds MK 3 and some kick ass lenses, but can't afford to do that just yet. In this realm of camera (advanced amateur) the Sony and the Nikon's build quality is far superior than the XT or Xti, although I haven't handled the new XSi because its not out yet. I would say jtfagent's comment should read Nissan or Toyota in this argument. Compared to the MK 3's his comment might be true.
02/10/2008 12:12:09 PM · #20
I have a Sony A100 and really Like it. There is more noise than I would like at ISO's 400 and above. But I hardly ever shoot at those ISO levels, and when I have PSP is able to handle it. The in body IS is a real high point for me. Also, the Build quality is very good.

02/10/2008 12:29:55 PM · #21
I may have missed something in the posts . . . but I'm not sure if you what to only spend $700 on the camera body or for a kit. If you are talking about the kit then I would suggest either the Canon Xti w/ 18-55 kit lens (~$600) or the Nikon D40x w/ 18-55 kit lens (~$600). I'm a Canon user so I'm not sure of the compatibility of Nikon lenses with the D40x. However all Canon lenses are compatible with the Xti. One other thought, if you are willing to spend a little more you may consider the Nikon D80 w/ 18-55 kit lens (~$900).

Message edited by author 2008-02-10 12:32:59.
02/10/2008 01:01:11 PM · #22
i am personally a canon user, and shot with a rebel xt for about 3 years before upgrading to a 40d last week. my father recently bought a sony alpha dSLR, which i played around with and i must say the build quality of the camera itself is far superior to my old rebel xt. however, if you plan on expanding your kit with lenses and accessories, the canon is the way to go. also, high ISO shooting is no comparison (canon's is leaps and bounds ahead of sony). i also prefer canon's color saturation.
02/10/2008 01:26:24 PM · #23
Link to Deal

BTW if your willing to risk a refurb Sony has a deal A100K plus 18-70 lense for $458

Message edited by author 2008-02-10 13:26:49.
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