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02/26/2004 08:37:54 AM · #1
I feel that my title may have done me in, in the conflict category. grrrr...well i guess its a lesson to learn, this being my first entry, i shouldn't assume that people will understand.....i hate the thought of people scorin low just because they dont get the connection....

just letting off steam.

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02/26/2004 08:40:26 AM · #2
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The title probably killed this shot.
02/26/2004 08:45:35 AM · #3
see, i get that! :-)
02/26/2004 09:11:36 AM · #4
My feeling is, if you need a title to explain, the photo's not doing it's job. I try not to read them when voting.
02/26/2004 09:16:22 AM · #5
I totally agree with that statement. I voted a lot of photos low in the conflict category because it seemed to me the title conveyed the conflict rather than the content of the photo. However, if I thought the quality of the photo was good, I gave a higher vote, even if it didn't seem to fit the challenge.
02/26/2004 09:31:12 AM · #6
My favorite is the title that has the name of the challenge in the title! Is that a reminder of what we are supposed to be voting on? Or this one '_______________ Abstract'. Like we can't tell it's an abstract...
02/26/2004 10:43:29 AM · #7
Originally posted by TooCool:

My favorite is the title that has the name of the challenge in the title! Is that a reminder of what we are supposed to be voting on?

That is the exact functional equivalent of having the photo "Untitled." In a photo contest with a theme, the theme is automatically the default title of every entry.
02/26/2004 01:33:51 PM · #8
i agree, if the photo doesn't show you conflict, then it's not gonna score well. the title shouldnt' have to explain the conflict. i've found that a lot of the photos in this conflict challenge don't really show any sort of conflict, but the title explains what they THINK looks like a conflict.
02/26/2004 01:40:51 PM · #9
I have already posted some comments on titles in a differnt thread. So i am repeating myself a little.

I dont look at the title I just look at the photo, I have also decided not to put any titles on future shots - just to see if it makes any difference. Anyway I am running out of witty titles!


02/26/2004 01:47:20 PM · #10
Here here! I agree with everyone here. I look at the pic with the title scrolled off the top of my screen. If i see (get) the connection with the challenge, then great. If not, i look at the title and see if i missed something obvious. Sometimes i do, and i rasie the score accordingly.

In Conflict there were some cat/kid/cloud pics, that, well, I'm sorry, don't belong in this challenge. They get a 1 from me, a 2 if they are an otherwise nice picture. Was i wrong? Well, were they wrong to submit the picture if it doesn't fit? Yes, 2 wrongs do not make a right, but may encourage some more thought and creativity on the part of the entrants.

I second the No Titlemotion.

chris
The world is flat. The world is round. It is just not spherical. I ahve seen pictures, it looks like a blue pizza pie.
02/26/2004 03:23:50 PM · #11
Songs have titles, paintings have titles, books have titles, sculptures have titles, and yes, photographs have titles. IMHO, titles add dimension to the art. A well chosen title can imbue an image with deeper meaning, and ask the viewer to stay a little longer.. to examine what this title means within the context of what he or she first perceived.

In my portrait entry for Conflict, I have received mostly "how does this relate to conflict?" comments, which I do not understand at all. At least one person got it though they said - (sic) I clearly have seen this look in a person's eye before - somebody's in the hot seat.

It's an obvious expression to me, and it was to several people I showed it to prior to the competition. However, I put a fairly explanatory title on it because I know some people have trouble reading expressions in real life as well as photographs.

I'm new here, but not to photography contest sites (I'm a juror over at worth1000), so I'm honestly a little surprised at what I perceive to be such a strong pressure to submit such explicit interpretations of the themes. Perhaps its just that I get the feeling that people take off huge amounts of points from very good images, as opposed to one or two.

I hate to jump in to the middle of the fray so early with my 2 pesos (I had intended to lurk a little longer), but I've been fairly puzzled at this contest.

Anyhoo - I should be playing a lot here - nice to meetcha :)
02/26/2004 03:44:01 PM · #12
Originally posted by kellenheller:

Songs have titles, paintings have titles, books have titles, sculptures have titles, and yes, photographs have titles. IMHO, titles add dimension to the art. A well chosen title can imbue an image with deeper meaning, and ask the viewer to stay a little longer.. to examine what this title means within the context of what he or she first perceived. ...
...Anyhoo - I should be playing a lot here - nice to meetcha :)


Here, Here!!
I agree wholeheartedly.
What I think is occurring here at DPC is that folks are voting on so many photos, there is little time for thoughtful consideration of interplay of title and photo.
I believe that when voting we should slow down and consider that a photo is given a title for a reason, and that photo & title should be considered together.

...Oh, and welcome, Tracey!

edited for typo

Message edited by author 2004-02-26 15:45:07.
02/26/2004 05:41:05 PM · #13
As a dedicated titler who respects the "advantages" of checking out the photo without one, I'd like to renew my suggestion that the photo voting page be reformatted:

put the calibration grayscale above the photo and the title below. That way, you have the option to vote with or without seeing the title, and will have an obvious check that you're seeing the photo correctly.
02/26/2004 07:58:55 PM · #14
well with mine i DID think of a number of conflicts.. however none of them jump out and bite you in the bumb.. you have to look for them.. I think i titled my image wrong as well. ...
:(

i think i wish i could retitle mine.
02/27/2004 10:27:53 AM · #15
Originally posted by kellenheller:

I'm new here, but not to photography contest sites (I'm a juror over at worth1000), so I'm honestly a little surprised at what I perceive to be such a strong pressure to submit such explicit interpretations of the themes. Perhaps its just that I get the feeling that people take off huge amounts of points from very good images, as opposed to one or two.



My first few times voting i was like that. Then you begin to see a challenge, reagardless of subject, and find gratuitous cat/flower/kid/sunset pics. You see (and photogrpahers admit) to taking a shot just so they have an entry, and admit how bad or how little thought went into it. So I, as some others, have begun to get a bit more harsh. To paraphrase several responses to my comments "What? you don't get it? The cat is letting go (mentally) of his plant eating habit?" Umm..no i don't get it.

IF the challenge was 'stop sign in sunshine' the challenge is NOT how to title a pic of cat to fit the challenge, but to to take an artful, appealing, technically good picture of a stop sign in sunshine. Why do so many people try so hard to play mind games instead of just taking a good photograph? There is nothing wrong with being obvious - check any newspaper or 98% of magazines, 80% of advertising, ALL wedding photography, portraiture work, etc. Arty art (for lack of a better term) is less than 2% of photography. Except here apparently.

chris
03/03/2004 08:34:14 PM · #16
I think titles are important.
Many people thunder through the voting - not just because they don't care but because sometimes we've got better things to do - and sometimes the title really helps to help it 'click.' Perhaps the click would have happened if they had stared at the photo for ages but that's not really fair on the submitter. I often need a title to help the click!
I agree that quite often people will use the title to 'crowbar' their mediocre photo into a challenge. But that's quite easy to spot and I score them low.
If there were no titles then generally only the mundane, obvious photos would win - simply because voters are in a rush and would dismiss the more abstract and obscure ones.
I'm all for variations on the theme and originality and the titles can help make this clearer to the voter.
It's easy to spot people who are mis-using the titles to get their irrelevant photos into the relevant category so I don't think we should worry about it.
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