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04/01/2008 02:15:53 PM · #51
Who's on first? That's what this is like.

I was thinking the same thoughts and luckily found this thread. So, do you think entering an image that I took a few days back would qualify? Then I would get DQ'ed for not following the time restrictions. But isn't that the point?

??????
04/01/2008 02:28:16 PM · #52
The only logical way to look at this is something that doesn't "Does Not Meet Challenge". This could be taken two ways:

1) You could interpret this as a free study. The double-negative would mean everything Meets the Challenge"

2) "Meets the Challenge". Again, a double-negative. In this case, however, it would be anything where someone met a challenge. A 100% grade, completing a task, etc.

A lot of people have suggested not meeting the rules. IMHO, that isn't the same thing, and will result in a DQ.
04/01/2008 02:32:08 PM · #53
yea, I wonder if there is going to be leniency towards the massive amounts of DQs I suspect this challenge will see.

Since when did DQ = DNMC? There is no special rule set on this challenge.
04/01/2008 02:42:15 PM · #54
Originally posted by DjFenzl:

yea, I wonder if there is going to be leniency towards the massive amounts of DQs I suspect this challenge will see.

Since when did DQ = DNMC? There is no special rule set on this challenge.


There does seem to be a substantial amount of confusion between DNMC and breaking the rules. Here's a refresher for anyone interested: The DQ Process: A Voter's Guide
04/01/2008 02:56:36 PM · #55
To clarify, the Advanced Rules still apply. Editing, date, etc., violations will still result in a DQ. Whether an entry meets the challenge is a matter for the voters.

If we're lucky, all the literal-minded voters' hard-wired little brains will explode at the thought of scoring this challenge! ;-)

~Terry
04/01/2008 03:44:38 PM · #56
DNMC (Does Not Meet Challenge) can easily be construed as a break the rules
Because if you do "break the rules" then you are "certainty" NOT MEETING the Challenge requirements.
To argue any other way is contradictory to what DNMC means. The core of meeeting challenge is statisfying the rules at hand...

This is another example how challenge ideas are thrown out there with no regards to the implications of their own definitions. I would expect a lot of DQs, but to say that it DNMC a DNMC is a fallacy.

And I don't see a "Tips and Tricks" about DNMC, so pointing out one to DQs is silly.

Added note:
If you wanted this as DNMC in the truest sense here at DPC, the challenge should have been: "DNMC topic" or something similar.

Message edited by author 2008-04-01 15:53:10.
04/01/2008 03:48:23 PM · #57
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

To clarify, the Advanced Rules still apply. Editing, date, etc., violations will still result in a DQ. Whether an entry meets the challenge is a matter for the voters.

If we're lucky, all the literal-minded voters' hard-wired little brains will explode at the thought of scoring this challenge! ;-)

~Terry


Well now, first and I thought: "Hang on that's a little hard on the literal-minded there. I mean, they are people too." But then of course, if it's the brains that explode... Maybe that isn't too huge of an event to get upset about either :-)
04/01/2008 03:51:32 PM · #58
I shall win. End of story.
(IF I get around to shooting, that is)
04/01/2008 03:53:50 PM · #59
The answer is x/0.
04/01/2008 03:56:39 PM · #60
Originally posted by jaysonmc:

DNMC (Does Not Meet Challenge) can easily be construed as a break the rules
Because if you do "break the rules" then you are "certainty" NOT MEETING the Challenge requirements.
To argue any other way is contradictory to what DNMC means. The core of meeeting challenge is statisfying the rules at hand...

Like it or not, meeting the challenge and breaking the challenge rules are two different things and are not related.

From The DQ Process: A Voter's Guide:

"Bad reasons for raising a DQ request - these requests will most likely be ignored:
- The photo doesn't appear to meet the challenge topic."

From Challenge Rules - Voting Rules:

"You may not:
- recommend an entry for disqualification for not meeting the challenge."

04/01/2008 04:00:44 PM · #61
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

DNMC (Does Not Meet Challenge) can easily be construed as a break the rules
Because if you do "break the rules" then you are "certainty" NOT MEETING the Challenge requirements.
To argue any other way is contradictory to what DNMC means. The core of meeeting challenge is statisfying the rules at hand...

Like it or not, meeting the challenge and breaking the challenge rules are two different things and are not related.


Sure, sure, I agree. DNMC and breaking the rules are two different things. And as such you can break the rules and have a DNMC photo at the same time since they are not mutually exclusive. That's my point.

Pretend you have a new member on the site who may or may not read the forums. You then have a challenge that says DNMC. What do you think that would mean to them....

Look at the list:
Challenge: DNMC
Type: 24-Hour Member Challenge 24-Hour Member Challenge
Rules: Advanced Editing (Jan 14th)
Submission Deadline: Tuesday, April 1st, 2008
Description: Create a photograph that does not meet this challenge.

I can easily someone new to the site say, hey, DNMC...Type 24-hour... guess that means it does not have to be 24-hours...
04/01/2008 04:28:00 PM · #62
I think I'll give a vote of 1 on this one for every image that DNMC.

04/01/2008 04:29:24 PM · #63
Originally posted by fixedintime:

I think I'll give a vote of 1 on this one for every image that DNMC.


Go ahead! I think the person with the most 1's will win this one, lol.
04/01/2008 04:29:50 PM · #64
Originally posted by fixedintime:

I think I'll give a vote of 1 on this one for every image that DNMC.


No, you misunderstand, you have to give a vote of 10 for every image that DNMC, that is what the challenge is!! Yes? No? Maybe?
04/01/2008 04:32:38 PM · #65
Originally posted by raish:

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

To clarify, the Advanced Rules still apply. Editing, date, etc., violations will still result in a DQ. Whether an entry meets the challenge is a matter for the voters.

If we're lucky, all the literal-minded voters' hard-wired little brains will explode at the thought of scoring this challenge! ;-)

~Terry


Well now, first and I thought: "Hang on that's a little hard on the literal-minded there. I mean, they are people too." But then of course, if it's the brains that explode... Maybe that isn't too huge of an event to get upset about either :-)


Right! Just means a few won't be able to sit down for a while:)) I guess the brain is close to the talking bit?? :)
04/01/2008 04:39:58 PM · #66
Originally posted by jaysonmc:


Pretend you have a new member on the site who may or may not read the forums. You then have a challenge that says DNMC. What do you think that would mean to them....

Look at the list:
Challenge: DNMC
Type: 24-Hour Member Challenge 24-Hour Member Challenge
Rules: Advanced Editing (Jan 14th)
Submission Deadline: Tuesday, April 1st, 2008
Description: Create a photograph that does not meet this challenge.

I can easily someone new to the site say, hey, DNMC...Type 24-hour... guess that means it does not have to be 24-hours...


New members are responsible for reading the rules when they signup. When you submit you have to check the boxes saying you agree to the rules. While this can be a bit confusing, it's still the photographer's responsibility to know the rules.
04/01/2008 05:43:19 PM · #67
Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

DNMC (Does Not Meet Challenge) can easily be construed as a break the rules
Because if you do "break the rules" then you are "certainty" NOT MEETING the Challenge requirements.
To argue any other way is contradictory to what DNMC means. The core of meeeting challenge is statisfying the rules at hand...

Like it or not, meeting the challenge and breaking the challenge rules are two different things and are not related.


Sure, sure, I agree. DNMC and breaking the rules are two different things. And as such you can break the rules and have a DNMC photo at the same time since they are not mutually exclusive. That's my point.

Pretend you have a new member on the site who may or may not read the forums. You then have a challenge that says DNMC. What do you think that would mean to them....

Look at the list:
Challenge: DNMC
Type: 24-Hour Member Challenge 24-Hour Member Challenge

Rules: Advanced Editing (Jan 14th)
Submission Deadline: Tuesday, April 1st, 2008
Description: Create a photograph that does not meet this challenge.

I can easily someone new to the site say, hey, DNMC...Type 24-hour... guess that means it does not have to be 24-hours...


I am new (just became a 'member' today) and i was utterly confused by what DNMC means in the firstplace-then i serached around the site and figured it means "DOES NOT MEET CHALLANGE" and then read further that the description is to create a photograph that does not meet this challange" My -guess- would be that it means create a photograph that meets the challange because in turn it would not be meeting the challange? (not meeting the challange would mean meeting the challange?) hehe- then again i think its just a april-fools prank challange that was set in place and would be fun to try to make a photo for? i guess it would mean to create a photograph of not meeting challanges, or 'this challange' in particular (IE: take a photograph of someone who is pressing submitt on a beautiful photograph on their laptop or screen... and suddenly gets a DNMC across their screen :) *heh* J/k...) or i envision someone stamping in large letters "DNMC" on a hard-photo-copy like those mean teachers with the specticles giving you an F at school when you were young? Hrm- my creative imagination has run amuck on me...oh well... back to reading with my one working eye (since the cornia of my other eye was scratched by my daughter i'm half blind for the next 48hrs or so -heh- oh well... at least its april-fools day, and I can find humor in the day in general!)
04/01/2008 05:44:25 PM · #68
Wait wait wait...

Didn't we do a similar challenge last year????

Yeah

Vanish

ETA: Similar I.e posted on April 1st. From what I recall, the challenge actually vanished

Message edited by author 2008-04-01 17:47:49.
04/01/2008 05:50:08 PM · #69
There are 54 submissions.
I can't wait to see what meets nothing.
04/01/2008 05:51:44 PM · #70
Originally posted by mad_brewer:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:


Pretend you have a new member on the site who may or may not read the forums. You then have a challenge that says DNMC. What do you think that would mean to them....

Look at the list:
Challenge: DNMC
Type: 24-Hour Member Challenge 24-Hour Member Challenge
Rules: Advanced Editing (Jan 14th)
Submission Deadline: Tuesday, April 1st, 2008
Description: Create a photograph that does not meet this challenge.

I can easily someone new to the site say, hey, DNMC...Type 24-hour... guess that means it does not have to be 24-hours...


New members are responsible for reading the rules when they signup. When you submit you have to check the boxes saying you agree to the rules. While this can be a bit confusing, it's still the photographer's responsibility to know the rules.


yes but clarify for me (a new member) what DNMC -and how to create a photograph that does not meet this challange ? oh i get the whole advanced editing bit does it mean to meet the challange i must not meet the challange or to meet the challange i must break all the challange 'rules' ? its not very 'clear' in the description afterall --actually i almost read it as an oxi-moron, because to DNMC i might actually guess that its not actually a 24hr challange, or that its not acutally advanced editing for this challange of DNMC? how do you not meet a challange that has no challange description other than not to meet the challange? written for it? hrmmm.... wouldn't not meeting the challange mean breaking the rules? isn't that not meeting a challange? either way isn't the photo DQ'ed for DNMC? but in this case that's what they're looking for? Hrm...

i think its an elaborate april-fools joke :)

to see what ppl come up with :)


04/01/2008 05:54:04 PM · #71
Originally posted by Love6:

...isn't the photo DQ'ed for DNMC?...


no, DNMC is not grounds for DQ
04/01/2008 05:55:17 PM · #72
hey...if submitting a picture makes it meet the challenge then submitting nothing should make what I didn't submit DNMC. Which meets the challenge. But then we're not supposed to meet the challenge...

Aaaargh. What to do???

04/01/2008 06:08:59 PM · #73
I'm in!!! I'm still laughing. hee hee hee

May the best man/woman LOSE!!!!! Bwa ha ha ha ha
04/01/2008 06:18:04 PM · #74
Originally posted by Love6:

Originally posted by mad_brewer:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:


Pretend you have a new member on the site who may or may not read the forums. You then have a challenge that says DNMC. What do you think that would mean to them....

Look at the list:
Challenge: DNMC
Type: 24-Hour Member Challenge 24-Hour Member Challenge
Rules: Advanced Editing (Jan 14th)
Submission Deadline: Tuesday, April 1st, 2008
Description: Create a photograph that does not meet this challenge.

I can easily someone new to the site say, hey, DNMC...Type 24-hour... guess that means it does not have to be 24-hours...


New members are responsible for reading the rules when they signup. When you submit you have to check the boxes saying you agree to the rules. While this can be a bit confusing, it's still the photographer's responsibility to know the rules.


yes but clarify for me (a new member) what DNMC -and how to create a photograph that does not meet this challange ? oh i get the whole advanced editing bit does it mean to meet the challange i must not meet the challange or to meet the challange i must break all the challange 'rules' ? its not very 'clear' in the description afterall --actually i almost read it as an oxi-moron, because to DNMC i might actually guess that its not actually a 24hr challange, or that its not acutally advanced editing for this challange of DNMC? how do you not meet a challange that has no challange description other than not to meet the challange? written for it? hrmmm.... wouldn't not meeting the challange mean breaking the rules? isn't that not meeting a challange? either way isn't the photo DQ'ed for DNMC? but in this case that's what they're looking for? Hrm...

i think its an elaborate april-fools joke :)

to see what ppl come up with :)


The only rule you must (and can) break is the one for meeting the challenge description. If you violate any other rules you will get DQ'd. But if you meet the challenge description, you've also violated it. It is an oxymoron, but just for the challenge description.
04/01/2008 06:30:37 PM · #75
Perhaps those finding it hard to come to terms with this whole DNMC concept should take out a subscripyion to DNMC magazine

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/25000-29999/28742/120/361101.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/25000-29999/28742/120/361101.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

Actually I thought the concept was easy. In my opinion take a photograph that is the complete opposite of the title you choose like a completely black photograph & call it white or green, anything but what it really is.
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