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04/23/2008 12:45:02 PM · #151
For those who are interested, there are several Christian photography sites out there. However, I have found none that seem to carry the quality of work and variety of interests found here. I have started a Yahoo Group called "Leanring 2 See". The intent is to invite those familiar with DPC to have a non-DPC sanctioned location for fellowship and discussion of photography and DPC, as well as faith issues.

Learning 2 See group

I really enjoy DPC for the most part. I don't intend to leave here and I'm not encouraging anyone else to do that - but I do hope this new group might provide a place to share both our passions...photography and God's love.
04/23/2008 12:47:15 PM · #152
Originally posted by Flash:

scalvert - you have posted in another thread that your wife teaches catechism on Sunday mornings and your children attend. You also posted that you do not have these "anti christian" discussions with her. In my opinion, you should clean your own house before you go sticking your nose elsewhere. You are truly offensive. Is your intense concern over a community of christians here on DPC the result of you being muzzled at home? I've worked with guys before that were real bastards at work only to discover that at home they could even speak. If you have personal issues, then deal with them at home. I don't need your crap here. As I posted earlier - we have our "debate" in the other thread.


Flash, This wasn't called for. it was an attack and as a fellow brother it makes me sad to see... We can be better than this
04/23/2008 12:50:19 PM · #153
Originally posted by Flash:

scalvert - you have posted in another thread that your wife teaches catechism on Sunday mornings and your children attend. You also posted that you do not have these "anti christian" discussions with her. In my opinion, you should clean your own house before you go sticking your nose elsewhere. You are truly offensive. Is your intense concern over a community of christians here on DPC the result of you being muzzled at home? I've worked with guys before that were real bastards at work only to discover that at home they could'nt even speak. If you have personal issues, then deal with them at home. I don't need your crap here. As I posted earlier - we can have our "debate" in the other thread.


Boooooo-Hissssss!

Really bad form.
04/23/2008 12:50:49 PM · #154
Originally posted by Eyesup:

Originally posted by Flash:

scalvert - you have posted in another thread that your wife teaches catechism on Sunday mornings and your children attend. You also posted that you do not have these "anti christian" discussions with her. In my opinion, you should clean your own house before you go sticking your nose elsewhere. You are truly offensive. Is your intense concern over a community of christians here on DPC the result of you being muzzled at home? I've worked with guys before that were real bastards at work only to discover that at home they could even speak. If you have personal issues, then deal with them at home. I don't need your crap here. As I posted earlier - we have our "debate" in the other thread.


Flash, This wasn't called for. it was an attack and as a fellow brother it makes me sad to see... We can be better than this


I certainly pary that you are better than this. For me, I have my own cross to bear. It was not my intent to cast any shadows on any other believers than myself. I am fully responsible for my choices - some of which fly in the face of my christian teachings. It is a constant struggle.
04/23/2008 12:52:42 PM · #155
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by Flash:

scalvert - you have posted in another thread that your wife teaches catechism on Sunday mornings and your children attend. You also posted that you do not have these "anti christian" discussions with her. In my opinion, you should clean your own house before you go sticking your nose elsewhere. You are truly offensive. Is your intense concern over a community of christians here on DPC the result of you being muzzled at home? I've worked with guys before that were real bastards at work only to discover that at home they could'nt even speak. If you have personal issues, then deal with them at home. I don't need your crap here. As I posted earlier - we can have our "debate" in the other thread.


Boooooo-Hissssss!

Really bad form.


As is your inciteful incursion into this thread. If you want to discuss your anti christian positions, then please move it to the science and theology thread.
04/23/2008 12:53:45 PM · #156
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

... Open your eyes and ears and put down your beer and actually use the brain that God gave you to examine yourself to determine where you could improve in relating to your fellow human beings in a civilized manner.


Oh my...now this is indeed a prime example on how to entice people to have a civilized conversation... and from a Christian no less.

Ray


Christian doesn't mean that I can't get offended or angry. I was point blank called stupid and my beliefs stupid. It was uncalled for. It was offensive as is your implication that Christians apparently should just lie down and be run over.


Actually it is you who is failing to grasp my intent.

Let me clarify things for you.

I most certainly did NOT imply that Christians lie down and be run over...that is merely your misinterpretation of my comment.

What did strike me was how you could imply that the person you referred to was a drunk and and uncivilized one to boot.

You sir arrived at a conclusion based on mere speculation, whereas mine was derived from some very specific comments you made.

I do hope you can appreciate the subtle differences.

Ray

04/23/2008 12:53:59 PM · #157
Originally posted by Flash:

scalvert - you have posted in another thread that your wife teaches catechism on Sunday mornings and your children attend. You also posted that you do not have these "anti christian" discussions with her.

From that, it should be self-evident that I respect the rights of others to believe as they wish in private, and I encourage my own kids to have some background knowledge. However, if the Mrs. wanted to create a special place to spread Scientology, Mormonism or even Atheism on DPC, I'd be all over it.

Message edited by author 2008-04-23 13:03:18.
04/23/2008 12:56:02 PM · #158
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by Eyesup:



would you have a different respone if this was a thread about how our Belief relate to how we do photography? (i.e. choosing religios theme for our photos, or how we do business ar Christian photographers) is the problem the Christianity of the thread our the lack of photogaphy relivance?


The OP is seeding an effort to pass his faith onto others. That is his job.

This is evangelism. I don't think any thinly veiled ties to photography will change that.

I could be wrong but a spade is a spade and in my mind this is a spade. A Flush. It's a touchy topic, it gets peoples backs up, it makes people(me) extremely uncomfortable, for whatever reason.

I think someone mentioned a Gay Forum...wouldn't that piss a bunch of people off? I's say no to that, as well.


Why would that piss a bunch of people off? I honestly don't get it. What possible difference would it make to you or anyone if Gay people wanted to have a space on here to discuss their gayness. I would not go there trying to convert them from their gay lifestyle and if your not gay why would you want to go there unless you were genuinely interested in the gay lifestyle. Same holds for a Christian space. What you mean to say is that it would get your back up and make you extremely uncomfortable but I doubt that most would agree with your assessment. Most would probably just go on there way and pay it no mind as I'm sure you do when you pass a church driving along the road.
04/23/2008 12:59:59 PM · #159
May I make a suggestion or three:

A single Christian thread in which those so inclined may offer fellowship is, on its own, not disruptive, mean-spirited, or exclusive. All are free to read and post if they desire. If you do not wish to share fellowship, it may not be the place to read or post, but that's a matter of free will.

I would ask that the Christians here, if they find a post from someone who they perceive is here to disrupt or debate, simply ignore it and move on. I would ask that those who wish to debate or refute, quote whatever it is they wish to debate or refute, and transfer it to a debate-related thread.

I understand there is a concern that the goal of the thread is to promote Christianity - I would offer that everyone consider the thread a place the share information and that the goal of all should be to keep it that way.

Sound reasonable?
04/23/2008 01:01:26 PM · #160
Wow, religion sure does cause a lot of arguments!
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Just for the record, I'm not religious. I do find it very annoying when people preach at me, which makes me feel like a second-class citizen. I was brought up a heathen, and I'm going to carry on the tradition! I wish all of these religion threads could go somewhere else where they wouldn't clutter up my beloved RANT Forum.
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04/23/2008 01:07:13 PM · #161
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

I was point blank called stupid and my beliefs stupid. It was uncalled for.

Where?


Read the thread. If you don't see it then you simply don't want to or don't believe in sarcasm and hold to the exact word written.(page 5 or 6)
04/23/2008 01:10:32 PM · #162
Originally posted by Melethia:

A single Christian thread in which those so inclined may offer fellowship is, on its own, not disruptive, mean-spirited, or exclusive. I understand there is a concern that the goal of the thread is to promote Christianity - I would offer that everyone consider the thread a place the share information and that the goal of all should be to keep it that way.

Exactly. Sharing interests isn't a problem. It's the promotion part that doesn't belong here.
04/23/2008 01:12:24 PM · #163
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

I was point blank called stupid and my beliefs stupid. It was uncalled for.

Where?


Read the thread. If you don't see it then you simply don't want to or don't believe in sarcasm and hold to the exact word written.(page 5 or 6)

I see where you did the calling and someone else encouraged you to continue with the self depreciation.
04/23/2008 01:19:04 PM · #164
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Melethia:

A single Christian thread in which those so inclined may offer fellowship is, on its own, not disruptive, mean-spirited, or exclusive. I understand there is a concern that the goal of the thread is to promote Christianity - I would offer that everyone consider the thread a place the share information and that the goal of all should be to keep it that way.

Exactly. Sharing interests isn't a problem. It's the promotion part that doesn't belong here.


So this is all because I suggested that other Christians post in the Science and Theology thread? If it's because I dared to share why I am not special then don't state that I think I am and I won't feel compelled to. How could I possibly be inclusive of everyone if I didn't first make them understand that I do not think highly of myself as was presupposed?
04/23/2008 01:21:13 PM · #165
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

I was point blank called stupid and my beliefs stupid. It was uncalled for.

Where?


Read the thread. If you don't see it then you simply don't want to or don't believe in sarcasm and hold to the exact word written.(page 5 or 6)

I see where you did the calling and someone else encouraged you to continue with the self depreciation.


don't believe in sarcasm huh? I doubt his intent was a request for further information but a statement meant to demean and make fun of me. If you don't agree with that then you are being intellectually dishonest and you know it. BTW the word is deprecation. Depreciation is what assets do over time.

Message edited by author 2008-04-23 13:23:22.
04/23/2008 01:26:59 PM · #166
Originally posted by dponlyme:

don't believe in sarcasm huh?

Sure I do, but he didn't point blank call you and your beliefs stupid. You did that yourself. He just agreed. If anything, they should both be hidden.

Oooh, yeah. Thanks for correcting my typo. I apprecate it. ;-)


Message edited by author 2008-04-23 13:28:59.
04/23/2008 01:36:34 PM · #167
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

don't believe in sarcasm huh?

Sure I do, but he didn't point blank call you and your beliefs stupid. You did that yourself. He just agreed. If anything, they should both be hidden.


Not asking you to hide anything. My comments were a reason as to why atheists should not take offense at a Christian. It was from the Atheists point of view and not mine. Of course you already know this. You also know that his statement WAS an attack on me. You know you are being deliberately obtuse in this matter because you agree with him and most likely find it entertaining. You are a poor excuse for a moderator or whatever you are for doing that.
04/23/2008 01:45:02 PM · #168
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

don't believe in sarcasm huh?

Sure I do, but he didn't point blank call you and your beliefs stupid. You did that yourself. He just agreed. If anything, they should both be hidden.


Not asking you to hide anything. My comments were a reason as to why atheists should not take offense at a Christian. It was from the Atheists point of view and not mine. Of course you already know this. You also know that his statement WAS an attack on me. You know you are being deliberately obtuse in this matter because you agree with him and most likely find it entertaining. You are a poor excuse for a moderator or whatever you are for doing that.


' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' dponlyme I think that was a low blow my friend. and what was once (way back) a legitimate conversation as degenerated into a very personal argument. this is too bad. I think when things come to this the non-Christians are only proven right in that for all our Christianity in the end we've behaved no differently than anyone else.

Personal attacks are not the way to go for anyone let alone a Christian, but moreso if we're going to follow Jesus' example than the way to go is to meet attack with friendship...

04/23/2008 02:09:02 PM · #169
Originally posted by dponlyme:

My comments were a reason as to why atheists should not take offense at a Christian. It was from the Atheists point of view and not mine.

Your comments were likely an offense to both sides as few Atheists would agree with a mischaracterization of Christians as stupid. Indeed some of the most brilliant minds in history have at times believed in God, Vishnu, Zeus and others, just as I'm sure there have been plenty of morons who didn't believe in them. It's not a matter of intelligence, but if you declare yourself to be stupid in a public forum, it shouldn't surprise you to find someone nodding in agreement.
04/23/2008 02:10:02 PM · #170
OK, no one wins ... everyone's offended

Shannon, you realize you have the power to de-escalate this situation just by letting this one go? You're only really arguing with one or maybe two people.

Darren, same thing ... how about just letting it pass?
04/23/2008 02:11:46 PM · #171
Originally posted by hopper:

Shannon, you realize you have the power to de-escalate this situation just by letting this one go?

Dang. I hear the invisible voice of reason. Signing off! ;-)

Message edited by author 2008-04-23 14:11:56.
04/23/2008 02:20:29 PM · #172
Originally posted by Eyesup:

...for all our Christianity in the end we've behaved no differently than anyone else.


Originally posted by Eyesup:

Personal attacks are not the way to go for anyone let alone a Christian...


I know you mean well, but this is the kind of language that non-Christians (like myself) find offensive. Both statements imply that Christian behavior is somehow above the rest, more pure and correct. As an atheist (technically agnostic, but we're splitting hairs) I'd *never* claim that my behavior is somehow better than another group's standard, simply because I believe what I do. It's just wrong.

Edited to add: This is my first, and will be my last, post on the matter.

Message edited by author 2008-04-23 14:22:45.
04/23/2008 04:16:42 PM · #173
Originally posted by Melethia:

May I make a suggestion or three:

A single Christian thread in which those so inclined may offer fellowship is, on its own, not disruptive, mean-spirited, or exclusive. All are free to read and post if they desire. If you do not wish to share fellowship, it may not be the place to read or post, but that's a matter of free will.

I would ask that the Christians here, if they find a post from someone who they perceive is here to disrupt or debate, simply ignore it and move on. I would ask that those who wish to debate or refute, quote whatever it is they wish to debate or refute, and transfer it to a debate-related thread.

I understand there is a concern that the goal of the thread is to promote Christianity - I would offer that everyone consider the thread a place the share information and that the goal of all should be to keep it that way.

Sound reasonable?


Deb - thank you for taking the time to put together a reasoned post :- )

My last post simply asked (on the back of ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', '/') + 1) . ' karmat's post ) whether anyone had read a particular book . .

I come back a couple of days later to a flame war and no one has even answered my question :- )

Well I still enjoyed the book as well as finding it funny - by the look of the last couple of pages of this thread a few other people around here would benefit from reading it as well . . .

I would suggest this thread is locked as it no longer serves any useful purpose, and if people want to open a thread on Christian music or books (hey - I know a good book!!) they should do so.

04/23/2008 06:08:03 PM · #174
I also think Melethia's suggestion is a good one. As a "non-Christian" (despite my upbringing), I admit when I first saw the title "Calling all Christians," I felt dismay, but I know that is about my personal feelings. More objectively, why shouldn't this sort of thread exist? This little tempest in a teapot reminds of another forum where a similar hubbub happened when someone tried to start a thread for gay people. The poster was mocked, accused of recruiting, etc, etc. I don't see much difference here. The original post was merely about seeking fellowship.

EDIT to add: although "turning the other cheek" is ideal, it's unfair to attack someone as un-Christian because they lose their temper. It's like when someone at a peace rally is mocked as "unpeaceful" because they are angry at the current state of affairs.


Message edited by author 2008-04-23 18:30:56.
04/23/2008 07:41:25 PM · #175
Originally posted by citymars:

I also think Melethia's suggestion is a good one. As a "non-Christian" (despite my upbringing), I admit when I first saw the title "Calling all Christians," I felt dismay, but I know that is about my personal feelings. More objectively, why shouldn't this sort of thread exist? This little tempest in a teapot reminds of another forum where a similar hubbub happened when someone tried to start a thread for gay people. The poster was mocked, accused of recruiting, etc, etc. I don't see much difference here. The original post was merely about seeking fellowship.

EDIT to add: although "turning the other cheek" is ideal, it's unfair to attack someone as un-Christian because they lose their temper. It's like when someone at a peace rally is mocked as "unpeaceful" because they are angry at the current state of affairs.


Why would you feel dismay that I wanted to meet and know others on DPC of a like mind? I appreciate greatly your conclusion that threads (the way it started out anyhow) like this should be allowed to exist. It seems there is no tolerance for Christians or Gays on here. Does everyone here run scared to beat the life out of things they don't understand or agree with? I really just don't get it. Thank you also for defending my right to become angry. Just because I am a Christian does not mean that I will never get angry again. You would think that would be common sense.
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