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04/05/2004 07:36:43 PM · #1
Is the Adobe 7.0 'Selective color' function ok in basic editing? It's found in Image/Adjustments/Selective color... I searched the forums and rules but found no direct reference to it. It appears to me that, since it's applied to the whole image, it would be legal.

I just don't want to risk a DQ.
04/05/2004 07:39:33 PM · #2
It's been used before in winning images, under 'classic editing' so I would assume it is still allowed.
04/05/2004 09:45:23 PM · #3
I think that was what was done for this photo. So yeah. ^_^

Message edited by author 2004-04-05 21:46:08.
04/05/2004 09:51:19 PM · #4
Originally posted by Ami Yuy:

I think that was what was done for this photo. So yeah. ^_^


"Selective color" was NOT used for that image. That was done in the hue/saturation adjustments....which is legal.
04/05/2004 09:53:12 PM · #5
*shrugs* That's why I said I thought that was what they were talking about. I don't have Photoshop so all I know about it's Hue/Saturation is that you can do selective desaturation of certain colors, which sounds like what lenkphotos wants to do.
04/05/2004 10:23:40 PM · #6
Ami, "Selective Color" is actually a seperate adj choice in photoshop where you can change the cyan, magenta, yellow & black content of any individual color group listed: Reds, Cyan, Yellows, Greens, Blues, whites, neutrals or blacks. You can do so in "relative" or "absolute" modes....totally fine tuning your coloring with increased control.

I don't believe it is allowed under basic editing, so I've avoided using it for those challenges, but will wait for official confirmation.
04/05/2004 10:27:22 PM · #7
[quote]I don't believe it is allowed under basic editing[/quote]

I second that...
You can however play with hue/saturation and color balance (which is legal) and acheive basicly the same affect...

Message edited by author 2004-04-05 22:27:51.
04/05/2004 10:41:56 PM · #8
I do believe it is allowed. Even if you are selecting individual color channels, you are applying it to the whole image.
What you can't do is select one area in the image and change it.
04/05/2004 11:07:40 PM · #9
Originally posted by TerryGee:

I do believe it is allowed. Even if you are selecting individual color channels, you are applying it to the whole image.
What you can't do is select one area in the image and change it.

Precisely my point, TerryGee. We'll soon see, however, because I plan on using this PS function in a current open challenge. If I'm DQ'd, so be it, but it sure would be nice to have the definitive word on selective colors before that happens :-(
04/05/2004 11:13:33 PM · #10
then what difference does it make really?
legal or not...

Originally posted by cq107:

I second that...
You can however play with hue/saturation and color balance (which is legal) and acheive basicly the same affect...

04/05/2004 11:15:13 PM · #11
My shot has this technique and I used the basic editing rules using the hue/saturation tool.

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Message edited by author 2004-04-05 23:20:17.
04/05/2004 11:24:44 PM · #12
But just as LtHouseLady points out above, you can get much finer control over colors and tones with selective colors than by using hue/saturation alone.
04/05/2004 11:28:31 PM · #13
Originally posted by lenkphotos:

But just as LtHouseLady points out above, you can get much finer control over colors and tones with selective colors than by using hue/saturation alone.


This is true, but when I did this shot, I had asked if selective colors in PhotoShop was basic editing rules legal, and the outstanding response I got was that it was considered "spot-editing." So, under the basic editing rules, hue/saturation is the only "legal" way to do it.
04/06/2004 06:56:32 AM · #14
Originally posted by goinskiing:

This is true, but when I did this shot, I had asked if selective colors in PhotoShop was basic editing rules legal, and the outstanding response I got was that it was considered "spot-editing." So, under the basic editing rules, hue/saturation is the only "legal" way to do it.

By definition, spot editing is something applied to less than the entire area of the photograph. Selective colors is applied to the entire area. In that way it's no different than hue/saturation - just gives you finer control.

Is there any site admin out there who can give us the definitive word?
04/06/2004 09:51:55 AM · #15
Originally posted by lenkphotos:



Is there any site admin out there who can give us the definitive word?


It was used on the winning entry in book titles, under 'classic editing'. Basic editing is word for word the same, with a line added pointing to a link about how the DQ process works. So it has been allowed under those rules, in the past, on winning images.
04/06/2004 10:11:20 AM · #16
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by lenkphotos:



Is there any site admin out there who can give us the definitive word?


It was used on the winning entry in book titles, under 'classic editing'. Basic editing is word for word the same, with a line added pointing to a link about how the DQ process works. So it has been allowed under those rules, in the past, on winning images.

Thanks, Gordon. That's 'definitive' enough for me.
04/06/2004 11:55:52 AM · #17
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by lenkphotos:



Is there any site admin out there who can give us the definitive word?


It was used on the winning entry in book titles, under 'classic editing'. Basic editing is word for word the same, with a line added pointing to a link about how the DQ process works. So it has been allowed under those rules, in the past, on winning images.


While I'd love to be able to use Selective color in the basic editing entries, I think I'll still wait for an admin answer. No offence Gordon ;)

You can get 'similar' results from hue/saturation, but you can change all the C,M,Y,K values of any given color range in selective color which, to me, is definitely more advanced editing. I'd want to hear it from an admin before I use it.
Any of you out there?
04/06/2004 12:27:55 PM · #18
My photo, which i used selective saturation on, for the current open challenge was validated.
04/06/2004 12:31:22 PM · #19
If you take a negative image of something is it allowed in competitions?
04/06/2004 12:47:54 PM · #20
Originally posted by josevillacorte:

My photo, which i used selective saturation on, for the current open challenge was validated.

By 'selective saturation' do you mean that you made a selection on the image and then applied hues/saturation, ...or did you use 'selective colors'? (I'm assuming you're using Photoshop 7 or CS.)
04/06/2004 12:59:58 PM · #21
I have used Hue/Saturation (both master and specific colors) as well as Selective Color in almost all "basic rules" images I have submitted. It is necessary because cameras do not usually record colors accurately.

Some of those images have been been through the DQ process and validated. In them I have specifically identified those exact modifications and they are perfectly acceptable. The key is to apply them to the entire image. Modifications to selected areas is limited to advanced editing rules.
04/07/2004 12:53:21 AM · #22
Thanks for sharing that specific info Steve. Defnitely good to know AND good news :)
04/07/2004 01:07:32 AM · #23
This was brought up couple of months ago also and I've been using since the beginning of the year. I can't seem to find the other thread.
04/07/2004 01:20:00 AM · #24
To clear up this question permanently, maybe it should be specifically listed in what is allowed in basic editing.
04/07/2004 01:32:08 AM · #25
Originally posted by LtHousLady:

To clear up this question permanently, maybe it should be specifically listed in what is allowed in basic editing.


Yeah, but how do we bring this to the attention of the SC? None of them have said anything in this thread so...

Message edited by author 2004-04-07 01:32:22.
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