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08/28/2008 02:58:17 PM · #126
Originally posted by dponlyme:

... and once again John McCain is not Bush no matter how the dems try to (quite effectively I might add) paint him. [/b]



No he's not George Bush, but he's damn close.
08/28/2008 04:03:55 PM · #127
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Originally posted by scarbrd:



Well back to your original post, I watched all the McCain ads during the DNC Convernetion this week. Not one, not a single one, talked about anything McCain was going to do. They were all negative ads about Obama's readiness.

Negative campainging was something McCain abhored, espeicially what was done to him by Bush when they were running in the primaries. Every negative ad was followed with "I'm John McCain and I approved the message"

And now he says he has a "big surprise" for tonight.

Class act.


Politics is a dirty business isn't it. Campaigns have been negative on both sides for as long as candidates have complained their opponents campaigns were negative. In the end for both sides they will do whatever it takes to get elected. It's the nature of the beast.


True, but as far back as I can remember, both parties let each other at least have their convenetions without a lot of interference. So I guess that little bit of common courtesy is gone now too. Thank you John McCain, who was supposed to be above all this nonsense. Not quite the maverick he's portrayed to be. For a guy who said he hates dirty polictics, he sure seems to have come around. He can't win on the issues, so the only think left is to attack the opposition. It would be nice to hear if he actually has a position on an issue that can articulated in more than three words.
08/28/2008 05:57:08 PM · #128
Looks like McCain's "suprise" ad tonight will be to congratulate Obama on winning the nomination.

If true, good for you John McCain.
08/28/2008 06:05:25 PM · #129
Nothing New this stuffs been going on since the beginning of time. The only difference is we have 100 channels to watch it on.

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by dponlyme:

Originally posted by scarbrd:



Well back to your original post, I watched all the McCain ads during the DNC Convernetion this week. Not one, not a single one, talked about anything McCain was going to do. They were all negative ads about Obama's readiness.

Negative campainging was something McCain abhored, espeicially what was done to him by Bush when they were running in the primaries. Every negative ad was followed with "I'm John McCain and I approved the message"

And now he says he has a "big surprise" for tonight.

Class act.


Politics is a dirty business isn't it. Campaigns have been negative on both sides for as long as candidates have complained their opponents campaigns were negative. In the end for both sides they will do whatever it takes to get elected. It's the nature of the beast.


True, but as far back as I can remember, both parties let each other at least have their convenetions without a lot of interference. So I guess that little bit of common courtesy is gone now too. Thank you John McCain, who was supposed to be above all this nonsense. Not quite the maverick he's portrayed to be. For a guy who said he hates dirty polictics, he sure seems to have come around. He can't win on the issues, so the only think left is to attack the opposition. It would be nice to hear if he actually has a position on an issue that can articulated in more than three words.
08/28/2008 08:28:03 PM · #130
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Thank you John McCain, who was supposed to be above all this nonsense. Not quite the maverick he's portrayed to be. For a guy who said he hates dirty polictics, he sure seems to have come around. He can't win on the issues, so the only think left is to attack the opposition. It would be nice to hear if he actually has a position on an issue that can articulated in more than three words.

Thus far, I've only seen McCain react to his opponent(s). From speeches and ads right up to campaign positions and choosing a VP, at every point he seems to wait to see what the other guy (or Hilary) does and then try to counter it. For someone making a big deal of his readiness to lead, he sure does like to follow. :-/
08/28/2008 09:18:27 PM · #131
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Thank you John McCain, who was supposed to be above all this nonsense. Not quite the maverick he's portrayed to be. For a guy who said he hates dirty polictics, he sure seems to have come around. He can't win on the issues, so the only think left is to attack the opposition. It would be nice to hear if he actually has a position on an issue that can articulated in more than three words.

Thus far, I've only seen McCain react to his opponent(s). From speeches and ads right up to campaign positions and choosing a VP, at every point he seems to wait to see what the other guy (or Hilary) does and then try to counter it. For someone making a big deal of his readiness to lead, he sure does like to follow. :-/


Well maybe he's already bought into the idea that Obama is already the president given the clever marketing blitz that campaign is running.

Seriously, though he's behind and nobody is paying much attention to him. What would you expect him to do? What he should do is move the RNC to a Florida nursing home and make it a comedic event. That would at least have more people talking about him for more than a few seconds. :P
08/28/2008 09:27:51 PM · #132
Originally posted by yanko:



Seriously, though he's behind and nobody is paying much attention to him.


I don't know about that.

EVERYTHING I've been reading ("liberal" media, "conservative" media, blogs, etc) speaks of how close the race is, and how critical it is for each candidate (AND their veeps) be at the top of their game until November (or until the first one falls).

edit -- stupid little 2 letter words

Message edited by author 2008-08-28 21:31:09.
08/28/2008 09:42:27 PM · #133
I've heard that, too, but I don't see anywhere near the same level of actual excitement with McCain. It's like Obama is stressing the importance of actually DOING something for this country while McCain's only strategy is trying to instill fear (justified or not) over what Obama might do.
08/28/2008 10:06:59 PM · #134
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by yanko:



Seriously, though he's behind and nobody is paying much attention to him.


I don't know about that.

EVERYTHING I've been reading ("liberal" media, "conservative" media, blogs, etc) speaks of how close the race is, and how critical it is for each candidate (AND their veeps) be at the top of their game until November (or until the first one falls).

edit -- stupid little 2 letter words


Oh I agree it's been close but he had been trailing in all the polls for a while now. 'Had' being the key word since now CNN's latest poll shows them tied at 47%. Perhaps that following and attacking strategy is working??? Not like the latter hasn't worked before...

Message edited by author 2008-08-28 22:08:26.
08/28/2008 11:48:27 PM · #135
Originally posted by scalvert:

I've heard that, too, but I don't see anywhere near the same level of actual excitement with McCain. It's like Obama is stressing the importance of actually DOING something for this country while McCain's only strategy is trying to instill fear (justified or not) over what Obama might do.


I see it the opposite. Obama is trying to scare us..into not voting for 'four more years'. He is trying as desperatly as he can to tell us why we can't vote for 'republican ideas'.

But he isn't actually showing us what he has done....what he will do (more importantly, HOW he will do it)...or how WE can help change the country. (besides voting for him)
08/29/2008 12:03:45 AM · #136
Originally posted by egamble:

But he isn't actually showing us what he has done....

The man (age 47) has already written/published two autobiographies -- sure in one of them he must have mentioned something he's done ...
08/29/2008 12:30:23 AM · #137
Originally posted by egamble:

Obama is trying to scare us..into not voting for 'four more years'.

We have a pretty good idea of what four more years means given the past eight. If those policies were any good, then pointing them out shouldn't be scary.
08/29/2008 02:11:33 AM · #138
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by egamble:

But he isn't actually showing us what he has done....

The man (age 47) has already written/published two autobiographies -- sure in one of them he must have mentioned something he's done ...


have you read them?

I have read Audacity....nothing too moving. And nothing that shows he is ready to lead our country.
08/29/2008 04:18:16 AM · #139
Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by scalvert:

I've heard that, too, but I don't see anywhere near the same level of actual excitement with McCain. It's like Obama is stressing the importance of actually DOING something for this country while McCain's only strategy is trying to instill fear (justified or not) over what Obama might do.


I see it the opposite. Obama is trying to scare us..into not voting for 'four more years'. He is trying as desperatly as he can to tell us why we can't vote for 'republican ideas'.

But he isn't actually showing us what he has done....what he will do (more importantly, HOW he will do it)...or how WE can help change the country. (besides voting for him)


Not to mention the McCain 100 years comment he continues to distort for the same purpose. Look, he's a politician just like McCain so that shouldn't surprise anyone not wearing blinders. While it would have been peachy had he adopted a different approach especially in light of the theme of his campaign which is to change the culture of politics he apparently is holding off on that for now at least until he gets elected. Probably why he went back on his word to agree to use public funding. People call that a smart move and while that is probably true since he clearly raised more money on his own it doesn't exactly strengthen his message or convince people on the fence that his change is real and not just more vapor promises from another politician. I hope I'm wrong though.

Message edited by author 2008-08-29 04:19:21.
08/29/2008 08:49:35 AM · #140
Gotta Say Obama's speech last night was pretty darn good. He put on a helluva show anyway. I think that is the problem with an Obama presidency however. He will be much better at running for president than he will be at being president. Quite the other way around for McCain I think. It really all comes down to who you think is trustworthy and has the character necessary to lead our nation. Obama associates with the likes of William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Rezco (sp?). While I do not necessarily think that he is like any of these people it is hard to give the benefit of the doubt to someone with such a short record. Oh and McCain is a war hero... bet you guys didn't know that. yeah... seems he was shot down and became a prisoner of war in vietnam... probably the first you've heard about that. Can't wait for the debates.
08/29/2008 09:49:55 AM · #141
Originally posted by egamble:

Originally posted by scalvert:

I've heard that, too, but I don't see anywhere near the same level of actual excitement with McCain. It's like Obama is stressing the importance of actually DOING something for this country while McCain's only strategy is trying to instill fear (justified or not) over what Obama might do.


I see it the opposite. Obama is trying to scare us..into not voting for 'four more years'. He is trying as desperatly as he can to tell us why we can't vote for 'republican ideas'.

But he isn't actually showing us what he has done....what he will do (more importantly, HOW he will do it)...or how WE can help change the country. (besides voting for him)

Really? You didn't look very far, despite the fact that you obviously know how to browse websites. Here.
08/29/2008 09:54:53 AM · #142
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Gotta Say Obama's speech last night was pretty darn good. He put on a helluva show anyway. I think that is the problem with an Obama presidency however. He will be much better at running for president than he will be at being president. Quite the other way around for McCain I think. It really all comes down to who you think is trustworthy and has the character necessary to lead our nation. Obama associates with the likes of William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Rezco (sp?). While I do not necessarily think that he is like any of these people it is hard to give the benefit of the doubt to someone with such a short record. Oh and McCain is a war hero... bet you guys didn't know that. yeah... seems he was shot down and became a prisoner of war in vietnam... probably the first you've heard about that. Can't wait for the debates


And who does McCain associate with? Rich businessmen, Oil men, Bush, Cheney, people out of touch with with the other 99% of Americans. People with no science background who re-write scientific findings to fit their political agenda.

If you don't know about his time as a POW, I'm sure McCain will tell you. He seems to be playing that song on endless repeat lately. Maybe that's because he knows his image as a "maverick" is was an illusion and everyone knows he might as well be G.W. Bush.
08/29/2008 10:23:00 AM · #143
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Oh and McCain is a war hero...

He helped a pilot escape from a burning jet and was willing to endure torture as a prisoner of war rather than leave his companions behind. Good for him. Do either of those really have anything to do with making smart decisions for the future of this country? After the war, he had several affairs and asked his disfigured wife for a divorce so he could marry a rich younger woman. His introduction to politics was lobbying congress for a new supercarrier against the wishes of the Carter administration.
08/29/2008 10:29:54 AM · #144
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Gotta Say Obama's speech last night was pretty darn good. He put on a helluva show anyway. I think that is the problem with an Obama presidency however. He will be much better at running for president than he will be at being president. Quite the other way around for McCain I think. It really all comes down to who you think is trustworthy and has the character necessary to lead our nation. Obama associates with the likes of William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Rezco (sp?). While I do not necessarily think that he is like any of these people it is hard to give the benefit of the doubt to someone with such a short record. Oh and McCain is a war hero... bet you guys didn't know that. yeah... seems he was shot down and became a prisoner of war in vietnam... probably the first you've heard about that. Can't wait for the debates.


Max Cleland was a war hero too. Lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam. The Repulicans cricified him during his relection run for congress with ads of him with Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain super imposed. All because of his oposition to Homeland Security and it's end run around the constitution. He lost the election.

They claimed his war experience made him unfit for making military decisions.

So much for respect for a war hero from the Republicans.
08/29/2008 10:38:04 AM · #145
It's funny how Repub's don't wanna talk about 'issues'.

Originally posted by dponlyme:

It really all comes down to who you think is trustworthy and has the character necessary to lead our nation. Obama associates with the likes of William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Rezco (sp?). While I do not necessarily think that he is like any of these people it is hard to give the benefit of the doubt to someone with such a short record. Oh and McCain is a war hero... bet you guys didn't know that. yeah... seems he was shot down and became a prisoner of war in vietnam... probably the first you've heard about that. Can't wait for the debates.
08/29/2008 10:49:23 AM · #146
The 'they're all the same' argument is a cop-out. Even if there is truth to it (the nature of politics being under a microscope) ...
People change their minds and their course when it helps complete the ultimate goal. THe result of the financing decision is arguably a good thing. So if we're gonna talk about flip-flops maybe it would be fair to put McCain under the glass.

Originally posted by yanko:

Look, he's a politician just like McCain so that shouldn't surprise anyone not wearing blinders. While it would have been peachy had he adopted a different approach especially in light of the theme of his campaign which is to change the culture of politics he apparently is holding off on that for now at least until he gets elected. Probably why he went back on his word to agree to use public funding. People call that a smart move and while that is probably true since he clearly raised more money on his own it doesn't exactly strengthen his message or convince people on the fence that his change is real and not just more vapor promises from another politician. I hope I'm wrong though.
08/29/2008 10:53:26 AM · #147
"Sen. John McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate on GOP ticket for White House"

I guees the experience and ready to lead thing isn't as big of a deal as they've been saying.
08/29/2008 11:04:51 AM · #148
Originally posted by dponlyme:

Oh and McCain is a war hero... bet you guys didn't know that. yeah... seems he was shot down and became a prisoner of war in vietnam... probably the first you've heard about that. Can't wait for the debates.


Surely you don't believe that a war hero is a standard upon which one should gauge the merits of becoming a president.

I have brothers that served in Vietnam with the USMC but considering the fact that they aren't American and have no money to talk of, I guess they can forget any aspirations they might have had to attain that office.

Ray

Message edited by author 2008-08-29 11:08:02.
08/29/2008 11:06:08 AM · #149
McCain is going for the meat-heads and disgruntled Hillary voters?
08/29/2008 11:07:00 AM · #150
Originally posted by scarbrd:

"Sen. John McCain picks Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate on GOP ticket for White House"

I guees the experience and ready to lead thing isn't as big of a deal as they've been saying.


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Speculation about Sen. John McCain's choice for vice president intensified Friday with talk centering on darkhorse Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin amid reports that apparent frontrunners Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty were out.
Shortly after U.S. markets opened, CNBC reported that an anonymous GOP strategist with ties to the McCain camp believed the choice would be Palin.
Yet the Republican presidential nominee has kept his selection a closely guarded secret, and it's anything but certain who'll he will pick. McCain is slated to announce his running mate at noon Eastern time in Dayton, Ohio, just hours after the end of the Democratic convention.

What do you know that we don't?

R.
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