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01/08/2009 06:16:31 PM · #1
Yes, I figured this was a victim of the 2 second voter.

But I find myself constantly asking; Am I shooting for the 2 second voter, or am I trying to create more complex photos that work on multiple levels?

I have to be proud of the stuff that I'm shooting. Despite the score, I really like this photo. I could have composed it to really hit the two second voter in the face, but I don't think I'd like the photo as much..

So I guess I have my answer. :)

Thanks a lot for your great feedback! It's appreciated. [/quote]


If it's any consolation I gave you an 8 and spent more then two seconds over that decision.
01/08/2009 04:41:29 PM · #2
Originally posted by scotthadl:

I saw the smile right away and then noticed the blue eyes. The thing for me is the smile should fill the frame more the blanket takes up too much of the frame without adding to the thought of personification. One thing you have to understand is a fair number of people don't take the time to figure an image out, the smile has to slap them in the face to register in the few seconds they take to vote on each image.

Yes, I figured this was a victim of the 2 second voter.

But I find myself constantly asking; Am I shooting for the 2 second voter, or am I trying to create more complex photos that work on multiple levels?

I have to be proud of the stuff that I'm shooting. Despite the score, I really like this photo. I could have composed it to really hit the two second voter in the face, but I don't think I'd like the photo as much..

So I guess I have my answer. :)

Thanks a lot for your great feedback! It's appreciated.
01/08/2009 02:08:32 PM · #3
Originally posted by mchalmers:

Wow. Seeing this thread has got me even more bummed out about my score in Personification with this image:
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/965/120/748014.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/965/120/748014.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

I thought this was a high 5-low 6 image for sure, even with the harsh voting lately. I still didn't really get from the comments exactly why it scored so low. Maybe people didn't recognize the pacifier? The baby blanket?

My photo is also an example of a studio shot that WAS a 'found' shot as well. About a half hour before setting this shot up, I saw my son's pacifier sitting on a table, and it was in almost this exact position; 'smiling' at me.

'I'll never figure this place out...'. Indeed! ;)


I saw the smile right away and then noticed the blue eyes. The thing for me is the smile should fill the frame more the blanket takes up too much of the frame without adding to the thought of personification. One thing you have to understand is a fair number of people don't take the time to figure an image out, the smile has to slap them in the face to register in the few seconds they take to vote on each image.
12/25/2008 04:41:11 AM · #4
Wow, is that an autoYankoer? Cool!!
12/25/2008 04:26:08 AM · #5
I like this one:
<?php


function yanko_d {
if($post_user == 'yanko')
{
repost(reword($post_text),random_user())
}
// Now wait for all the accolades about the repost
}

?>


Message edited by author 2008-12-25 04:29:53.
12/25/2008 04:14:52 AM · #6
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by yanko:

<?php

// Check message before posting
if ($post_string == 'art is subjective')
{
// Reject post and redirect user
header("Location: //instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/subjective_objective.html");
}

?>

Fixed your bracket. Kept giving me a php error. :P


For a second there I thought you were going to add a new function call like Burn_Village($user) or something. Whew.
12/25/2008 04:02:24 AM · #7
Originally posted by yanko:

<?php

// Check message before posting
if ($post_string == 'art is subjective')
{
// Reject post and redirect user
header("Location: //instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/subjective_objective.html");
}

?>

Fixed your bracket. Kept giving me a php error. :P
12/25/2008 03:30:46 AM · #8
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by bobnospum:

...Art is subjective....


I can't remember how many times I've tried to show where this statement leads, the short way. Here's a long way, if anyone has an interest.


<?php

// Check message before posting
if ($post_string == 'art is subjective')
}
// Reject post and redirect user
header("Location: //instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/subjective_objective.html");
}

?>

Langdon?
12/25/2008 01:12:58 AM · #9
Originally posted by JulietNN:

Okay back to the OP's question. And you will probably hate me for it, but here goes.


Why might I hate you for that? You echoed my own opinion.
12/25/2008 12:42:45 AM · #10
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

What I was getting at earlier is that people pull out the infamous and derogatory "snapshot" comment everywhere else but seemingly side with it this time, and I think that might be part of what ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' yospiff was getting at, too. And people are defending it on the idea that au naturale is suddenly better, despite the fact that under most circumstances those same people routinely say the contrary. Just seemed a bit absurd.

LOL - That's why yospiff gets the award for the most accurate thread title of the week. :)
12/25/2008 12:40:41 AM · #11
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Originally posted by jhomrighaus:



a bunch of different items which is sculpture not personification as defined by the challenge.




Please do not put words into my mouth.


I interpreted the first part of this quote to be DNMC, if this wasn't what you intended, then I misunderstood you, and didn't mean to misrepresent what you had said.
What I was getting at earlier is that people pull out the infamous and derogatory "snapshot" comment everywhere else but seemingly side with it this time, and I think that might be part of what ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' yospiff was getting at, too. And people are defending it on the idea that au naturale is suddenly better, despite the fact that under most circumstances those same people routinely say the contrary. Just seemed a bit absurd.
12/25/2008 12:19:44 AM · #12
Okay back to the OP's question. And you will probably hate me for it, but here goes.

If I had scored in this challenge it would have been right there at a 2-3 mark,.

The horizon is not straight, it is too small, there are these weird lines going up and down, it is pretty boringly one colour, it is a pretty boring, mundane shot.

But look on the bright side, the Title was excellent.
12/25/2008 12:03:25 AM · #13
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Originally posted by jhomrighaus:



I think what was being implied here was that in relation to THIS PARTICULAR CHALLENGE the shot in question fit very well and was more notable because it was a natural object photographed in such a way as to be interesting and to represent the challenge very well, compared to a whole bunch of constructed shots that tried to make a personified thing out of a bunch of different items which is sculpture not personification as defined by the challenge.


Curious, then, that the top three finishers are obviously construed and not "natural."
Of the top ten, three fit the "found" criteria, and are unaltered.
One, the person openly admits that it's nearly identical to their entry in the past personification challenge.
If you're referring to my entry, it was intended as a joke, and I don't think it warranted a glorious score. It was entered primarily because it was an amusing thing to do.
I also find it funny that a conversation centered around the meaning and thought of a photo has changed into DNMC.


I was trying to clarify someone else's point. That said, I personally felt that any constructed image was less in spirit with the challenge than the found images of a single object or random found objects. I don't see anywhere in any of my statements that constructed images were DNMC only that I did not enjoy them or credit them as much as the more imaginative ones that were there. Please do not put words into my mouth.

If one looks at the scoring overall you will find that the majority of voters seemed to share a similar concept as many of the most contrived images(multiple items assembled together to try to look human) scored poorly and most of the better scored images were either found items photographed as is, or were staged but very thoughtful and interesting(such as the second place entry)

Message edited by author 2008-12-25 00:08:11.
12/24/2008 11:54:06 PM · #14
Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

whoa, we're all wearing santa hats now. madness.


If you are on Flickr, try putting a note box on one of your own images with the text "ho ho ho hat" or ho ho ho beard" //www.flickr.com/photos/yospiff/3132715836/


Hahahaha. Great photo too. I think a faux woodgrain border would've been classier, however.
12/24/2008 11:51:53 PM · #15
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

whoa, we're all wearing santa hats now. madness.


If you are on Flickr, try putting a note box on one of your own images with the text "ho ho ho hat" or ho ho ho beard" //www.flickr.com/photos/yospiff/3132715836/
12/24/2008 11:48:17 PM · #16
whoa, we're all wearing santa hats now. madness.
12/24/2008 11:35:58 PM · #17
Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by violinist123:

You should remember this next time you are concerned about the 'low voters' out there. If rubbish is given an average score, then the average DPC photo is rubbish. Don't like that idea, appreciate those who vote harshly. Just a thought.


My own fuss is not with low voters, but rather low voters who won't tell me why they think it sucks. In spite of being harsh with your input, you did tell me why you thought one of my entries sucked. That's cool, and I did appreciate it.


Nods, I love when people point out flaws in my photos, it is the only way I'm going to learn. I love ones that point out good points too. I just don't like the ones in the middle where someone says "hmm, a photo." and leave me wondering what they mean, is that good? bad? was it the focus? sighs...
12/24/2008 11:33:55 PM · #18
Originally posted by violinist123:

You should remember this next time you are concerned about the 'low voters' out there. If rubbish is given an average score, then the average DPC photo is rubbish. Don't like that idea, appreciate those who vote harshly. Just a thought.


My own fuss is not with low voters, but rather low voters who won't tell me why they think it sucks. In spite of being harsh with your input, you did tell me why you thought one of my entries sucked. That's cool, and I did appreciate it. My request for input on this one was the same idea. I wanted to know why an image scored way out of line with how good I thought it was.

Message edited by author 2008-12-24 23:36:44.
12/24/2008 11:32:11 PM · #19
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:



I think what was being implied here was that in relation to THIS PARTICULAR CHALLENGE the shot in question fit very well and was more notable because it was a natural object photographed in such a way as to be interesting and to represent the challenge very well, compared to a whole bunch of constructed shots that tried to make a personified thing out of a bunch of different items which is sculpture not personification as defined by the challenge.


Curious, then, that the top three finishers are obviously construed and not "natural."
Of the top ten, three fit the "found" criteria, and are unaltered.
One, the person openly admits that it's nearly identical to their entry in the past personification challenge.
If you're referring to my entry, it was intended as a joke, and I don't think it warranted a glorious score. It was entered primarily because it was an amusing thing to do.
I also find it funny that a conversation centered around the meaning and thought of a photo has changed into DNMC.
12/24/2008 11:16:01 PM · #20
Originally posted by yospiff:

I apologize for calling this one out, but I have to know what is was about this entry that it came in at almost a 5.4?


You should remember this next time you are concerned about the 'low voters' out there. If rubbish is given an average score, then the average DPC photo is rubbish. Don't like that idea, appreciate those who vote harshly. Just a thought.
12/24/2008 11:03:53 PM · #21
Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by yospiff:

I'll never figure this place out...


dpchallenge: a digital photography contest

duhhhh


What is photography? and what exactly are the factors for competing? ;)
12/24/2008 11:00:31 PM · #22
Originally posted by yospiff:

I'll never figure this place out...


dpchallenge: a digital photography contest

duhhhh
12/24/2008 10:57:20 PM · #23
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Originally posted by togtog:

I would have given it a 6 for subject, and a 4 for technical aspects, so 5. Some probably gave 7 and 4 and there you have 5.4. Too much emphasis is put on focus, color, and brightness and not enough on thought, subject, and meaning.
(bold added)

People have commented on this appearing to be more of a "snapshot" (dare I say those stained words!), and I hardly see how you are commenting on how photos need more thought when this was quite obviously a moment where somebody said "hey that looks like a person waving" and snapped a photo. How much thought is in that? Along those lines, as well, some folks in this thread have commented on how they voted low on all "staged" shots, and decry the degradation of photography into inane focus details, but conveniently ignore how much thought is put into staged shots. Really, I think a solid case can be made that the vast majority of quality shots are in fact staged to some degree. Even an amazing capture of a moment by a photojournalist is staged to an extent, and it is this forethought that produces a higher quality outcome with consistency (what makes a good photographer). The photojournalist staged being there. They staged the right angle, made sure they would be able to catch things in focus, and they waited for something to happen (staged). Ansel Adams staged everything! Just because he didn't move this mountain and move that mountain around doesn't mean he didn't stage the lighting, the angle, and everything else about the scene until he hit gold. Yes, a terrible photographer may think naught about their shot and occasionally hit something great by accident, but that is the exception, not the rule. The truth is, whether you want to admit it or not, staged photos are better, or DPChallenge would be called The Awesomeness of Cellphone Snapshots.


I think what was being implied here was that in relation to THIS PARTICULAR CHALLENGE the shot in question fit very well and was more notable because it was a natural object photographed in such a way as to be interesting and to represent the challenge very well, compared to a whole bunch of constructed shots that tried to make a personified thing out of a bunch of different items which is sculpture not personification as defined by the challenge.
12/24/2008 10:54:00 PM · #24
Originally posted by mchalmers:

Wow. Seeing this thread has got me even more bummed out about my score in Personification with this image:
' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/965/120/748014.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/965/120/748014.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

I thought this was a high 5-low 6 image for sure, even with the harsh voting lately. I still didn't really get from the comments exactly why it scored so low. Maybe people didn't recognize the pacifier? The baby blanket?

My photo is also an example of a studio shot that WAS a 'found' shot as well. About a half hour before setting this shot up, I saw my son's pacifier sitting on a table, and it was in almost this exact position; 'smiling' at me.

'I'll never figure this place out...'. Indeed! ;)


Im sorry to say it but I still dont get your image even with you explaining it. I suppose the pacifier loos a little bit like a person but that is about it. Its just not really that interesting a shot compared to most.
12/24/2008 10:35:39 PM · #25
Originally posted by togtog:

I would have given it a 6 for subject, and a 4 for technical aspects, so 5. Some probably gave 7 and 4 and there you have 5.4. Too much emphasis is put on focus, color, and brightness and not enough on thought, subject, and meaning.
(bold added)

People have commented on this appearing to be more of a "snapshot" (dare I say those stained words!), and I hardly see how you are commenting on how photos need more thought when this was quite obviously a moment where somebody said "hey that looks like a person waving" and snapped a photo. How much thought is in that? Along those lines, as well, some folks in this thread have commented on how they voted low on all "staged" shots, and decry the degradation of photography into inane focus details, but conveniently ignore how much thought is put into staged shots. Really, I think a solid case can be made that the vast majority of quality shots are in fact staged to some degree. Even an amazing capture of a moment by a photojournalist is staged to an extent, and it is this forethought that produces a higher quality outcome with consistency (what makes a good photographer). The photojournalist staged being there. They staged the right angle, made sure they would be able to catch things in focus, and they waited for something to happen (staged). Ansel Adams staged everything! Just because he didn't move this mountain and move that mountain around doesn't mean he didn't stage the lighting, the angle, and everything else about the scene until he hit gold. Yes, a terrible photographer may think naught about their shot and occasionally hit something great by accident, but that is the exception, not the rule. The truth is, whether you want to admit it or not, staged photos are better, or DPChallenge would be called The Awesomeness of Cellphone Snapshots.
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