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01/17/2009 11:23:03 AM · #201
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by JimiRose:

I'd agree that this site has a large lean towards North America and Canada in member numbers but I don't really know what you mean by influence. Could you give us an example?


You can see it in the results, basically. The kind of images that usually win here represent the "American aesthetic", collectively; sharp, smooth, arresting images, what some people call "eye candy". There's a darker, more introspective aesthetic sensibility visible in any site that caters to European artists primarily.

R.


Exactly my point :)
01/17/2009 11:28:21 AM · #202
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by karmat:

Second rejection. And it was a shot I actually really, really like.

Reason -- not sharp enough.

I don't know if is is in my port here or not. I'll look and post it if it is.


So if I've got this right, here at DPC we can show whatever we want to show, and the people decide which images are "worthy" of prizes. Whereas over at 1x the people, collectively, determine what we are allowed to show, and by extension what they, themselves, are willing to view.

In any event, I can see from the "reason" for your rejection that submitting Lensbaby shots to 1x would probably be a futile exercise :-)

R.


I think Lens Baby images could do quite well. There are a lot of those types of shots.

IMO, Lens Baby images are like Fish Eye images, they have to be particularly special or they come of as affected.

This one of mine was just rejected

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Reason - Breach of style

That's new one.

Message edited by author 2009-01-17 11:28:33.
01/17/2009 11:42:20 AM · #203
Breach of style! Sounds like you broke a photo-law mate - I'd lay low or a while...
01/17/2009 11:53:36 AM · #204
Originally posted by JimiRose:

Breach of style! Sounds like you broke a photo-law mate - I'd lay low or a while...


Exactly, I wonder what style I breached!
01/17/2009 12:08:41 PM · #205
That's one I've not heard before. Congrats!
01/17/2009 12:14:36 PM · #206
Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by JimiRose:

Breach of style! Sounds like you broke a photo-law mate - I'd lay low or a while...


Exactly, I wonder what style I breached!


Maybe it's like "breach of promise"? Did they keep the diamond?

R.
01/17/2009 12:20:18 PM · #207
It's supposed to look like this.

National romanticism - which may or may not be shorthand for all bets are off.
01/17/2009 12:54:15 PM · #208
Originally posted by scarbrd:



This one of mine was just rejected

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Reason - Breach of style

That's new one.


I joined up with a paid membership last night. I think you get more detailed critique when you do that. I got this in the rejection email:

Your picture is edited too extensively or looks too unnatural. Editing must always reinforce the message of the photo and have a purpose. If the viewer only thinks about the editing instead of enjoying the motif, the photo is over-edited. If you edit your picture extensively, you must state what kind of editing you have performed. Documentary photos should be unedited.

Too strange combinations of very different styles in the same frame that don't create an interesting contrast.


I don't agree, but I get it now.

One other "benefit" for paying members, Your entries go to the front of the screening queue.

So now I get rejected much faster than non-paying members! ;-)
01/17/2009 01:06:13 PM · #209
Rejection #1

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Reasons for rejection:

* Composition
* Impact

"The composition in your picture is unbalanced which might be related to a bad crop or something is cut off. It could also mean that the composition is too cluttered, in which case you should try to isolate some objets, or that the photo is not leveled correctly.

It's a good photo, but it doesn't stand out that much. A photo might be technically perfect, but it also has to affect the viewer."

I posted last night so it took about 12 hours to get rejected and the text above came in my email. I'm going to post it for critique but I have to explain it first. I think this is a really good exercise.

FWIW, it barely made a 6 here in a FS.

Message edited by author 2009-01-17 13:06:48.
01/17/2009 01:14:21 PM · #210
Originally posted by silverscreen:

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Originally posted by silverscreen:

Well, I'm doing far better on 1x than I am here...
I believe it is (at least in part) a cultural thing: 1x is mainly European and DPC is mainly American


There are a lot of successful Europeans, Australians, New Zealanders, Scandinavians on DPC.

Not sure what you mean, but it sounds a bit insulting to Americans.


I'm sorry - but it was never my intention to insult anyone - not matter where they come from.

But I believe that there is a cultural difference anyway - I'm not saying the European taste is better than the American, but I believe it is different.

I lnow that there are succesful Europeans, Australians and other nationalities here - but I believe the site is mainly influences by the American culture. And again: I don't way it's bad - but it's different...


For what it's worth, I also understand what you mean.
01/17/2009 02:56:34 PM · #211
Oh yeah! I get to join the club now. I had to wait a full day, but I finally got my first reject for this picture (which I happen to love). The funny thing is, this photo has been in two juried shows in local galleries, and has won awards both times, so go figure. I still love it. This is a slightly edited version of one already in my portfolio here.
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BTW, reasons given for the rejection were" impact" and "unbalanced composition". :P
I may try again with another shot when I finish feeling so dejected. :/

Message edited by author 2009-01-17 15:02:21.
01/17/2009 03:10:07 PM · #212
One thing I'm hoping this thread will do is prevent a bit of the "dejected" feeling. I had a few folks gushingly tell me "Oh, you're stuff will do so well over there!" awhile back, and I was all excited and giddy and foolish. I submitted, with anticipation of finding a home for the stuff that languishes on my hard drive. Needless to say, my stuff does NOT do well over there and has become very lovingly comfortable on my hard drive, thankyouverymuch.

So try not to get too dejected. There's a definite "feel", motif if you will, style... There's variety, but at the base of it all, it must be very very good to start with to even have a chance. To those of you who've whipped stuff through in rapid succession, you're very very good. :-) To those who haven't, you may only be very good, or you may see the world through different eyes and still be very very good. Does that make sense? Just don't get too dejected.

And I will probably abandon my goal of 40 rejects. In five years worth of files, I simply do not have 40 photos I'd consider for submission there. I can take more, though.... :-)
01/17/2009 03:14:11 PM · #213
Erin, I saw that shot of yours in the screening list, and checked it Accepted(edit: or rather Publish). Surprised it didn't make it. The more DPCers signup there and with some pics going to the members screening stage, perhaps the site will become slightly DPCized ;)

Message edited by author 2009-01-17 15:30:57.
01/17/2009 03:15:54 PM · #214
Originally posted by ErinM:

Oh yeah! I get to join the club now. I had to wait a full day, but I finally got my first reject for this picture (which I happen to love). The funny thing is, this photo has been in two juried shows in local galleries, and has won awards both times, so go figure. I still love it. This is a slightly edited version of one already in my portfolio here.
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BTW, reasons given for the rejection were" impact" and "unbalanced composition". :P
I may try again with another shot when I finish feeling so dejected. :/


I saw this in the member screening and voted to publish. Didn't know it was a DPCer! Love the eyes!
01/17/2009 03:16:47 PM · #215
Originally posted by Melethia:



And I will probably abandon my goal of 40 rejects. In five years worth of files, I simply do not have 40 photos I'd consider for submission there. I can take more, though.... :-)


There's no way I would get 40 -- I don't have enough pictures to consider.

And just to clarify, at least in my situation -- I am not TRYING to get rejected. That would be easy. In reading another thread on the forums here, I realized I, in part, may have given the impression that I'm submitting just to say I was rejected. Nope. I'm submitting what I think are pretty stinkin' good shots. Based on 1x criteria, at least I got the stinkin' part right. :)

So, to be clear -- I am submitting to try and get accepted, BUT, being able to share my rejections and see some of the awesome stuff ya'll have had rejected takes a bit of the sting out of it.
01/17/2009 03:17:47 PM · #216
Originally posted by Techo:

Erin, I saw that shot of yours in the screening list, and checked it Accepted. Surprised it didn't make it. The more DPCers signup there and with some pics going to the members screening stage, perhaps the site will become slightly DPCized ;)


That may, or may not, be a good thing. :P
01/17/2009 03:21:41 PM · #217
So yesterday I posted my first shot and it got accepted today. I'm not sure if it passed the main screener? and it was probably posted for members screening.

Additional feedback: Of those who voted against your image, six indicated that there is a problem with impact, three noted motif as a weakness and three selected composition as a reason for not publishing the image.

Popularity gauge was around 80%. A little surprised those thought the composition was weak.
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I decided to test the waters again and submitted a shot that I know isn't technically perfect but has that special mood. It almost reached a 6.0 in a DPC FS so it's not amazing but I like it. No reasons posted but the screening popularity gauge was really low ~15%.
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Message edited by author 2009-01-17 15:22:25.
01/17/2009 03:23:52 PM · #218
And yes, Karma, I should clarify, though I think I did mention it before. I am not TRYING to get rejected. I really am submitting (or will be, when my week is up) shots I think are good enough to submit. If I really just wanted 40 rejections, I'm quite sure I have enough shots to submit for that! :-)
01/17/2009 03:27:04 PM · #219
just signed up and submitted a few shots...we'll see what happens...
01/17/2009 03:34:02 PM · #220
Originally posted by Techo:

So yesterday I posted my first shot and it got accepted today. I'm not sure if it passed the main screener? and it was probably posted for members screening.

Additional feedback: Of those who voted against your image, six indicated that there is a problem with impact, three noted motif as a weakness and three selected composition as a reason for not publishing the image.

Popularity gauge was around 80%. A little surprised those thought the composition was weak.
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I saw this one in screening too. Thought it looked familiar!

I have at least one, maybe 2 in screening now.
01/17/2009 03:39:19 PM · #221
And I would add that I hope we don't "vote each other up" just to do so. As with here, if you vote on an image, vote on the image, not the person who took it if you happen to know that.
01/17/2009 03:46:51 PM · #222
Originally posted by Melethia:

And I would add that I hope we don't "vote each other up" just to do so. As with here, if you vote on an image, vote on the image, not the person who took it if you happen to know that.


EXCELLENT point.

If I make it at 1x, I want it to be because I actually have a picture that is good enough, not because there were a horde of dpcers voting for it. :)
01/17/2009 03:47:39 PM · #223
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by Melethia:

And I would add that I hope we don't "vote each other up" just to do so. As with here, if you vote on an image, vote on the image, not the person who took it if you happen to know that.


EXCELLENT point.

If I make it at 1x, I want it to be because I actually have a picture that is good enough, not because there were a horde of dpcers voting for it. :)


Copy that!
01/17/2009 04:06:25 PM · #224
Originally posted by stevieian:

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This plus 2 others (my first attempt) rejected. Here's what they said about Cinderella:

Reasons for rejection:
* Member screening
* Impact

Comments from members:
* beautifully lit
* sinderella

Additional feedback: Of those who voted against your image, six indicated that there is a problem with impact, four noted story as a weakness and three selected motif as a reason for not publishing the image.

Not sure what they mean by "story as a weakness"?

Boo-hoo! I hate rejection .... :(


Probably they meant it lacked a real authentic story. In other words, it looks staged and the model appears to be acting and not performing. Think about it. You shot this for the challenge, right? So you put yourself in the mindset of a commercial photographer trying to produce an image that will sell a product to the voters (i.e the challenge theme). It was very successful in that regard but that doesn't work over at 1x since there's no challenge theme to sell. In order for a stock/advertising type of image to do well it must really wow and this photo is just lukewarm in that regard especially when compared to everything else at 1x.

So you have two options, either have a bigger idea and or more wow factor conveyed in the presentation/technicals (since the bar is so high over there) or try and show something real, honest and personal. As Bear mentioned they favor introspection, and that may be a new concept for DPC since we lean so heavily towards the commercial side of things. In other words, shoot more from the heart. Anyway, I hope you don't mind me singling out your image, I just thought it was the perfect example to illustrate the differences between DPC and 1x.

Edited for clarity

Message edited by author 2009-01-17 16:16:26.
01/17/2009 04:13:42 PM · #225
Originally posted by Techo:

Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by Melethia:

And I would add that I hope we don't "vote each other up" just to do so. As with here, if you vote on an image, vote on the image, not the person who took it if you happen to know that.


EXCELLENT point.

If I make it at 1x, I want it to be because I actually have a picture that is good enough, not because there were a horde of dpcers voting for it. :)


Copy that!


ditto, I hope I didn't imp;y that at all.
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