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09/11/2009 09:15:16 PM · #1
Originally posted by sfalice:


I have just expressed mine.


Very well said as well sfalice. I totally agree with you.
09/11/2009 09:06:52 PM · #2
Way back at the beginning of this thread I think I voiced my support for this talented photographer.

It seems about time for a reinforcement of that support. Many talented and acclaimed artists have been just awful at financial matters. Left brain? Right brain? Middle one? Who knows. It just happens.

As a photographer I feel empathy for this superb photographer who is so much more talented and who has used her talent for good and to delight and inform. Oh, yes. and to shock, upon occasion.

I am grateful that her creditors have used compassion in the settling of her financial problems.

I also hasten to add that I do not mean aregue or attempt to change the minds of those who feel more drastic measures are needed or that this talented person should be 'toppled from the pedestal' that some have put her on.

Each person has a viewpoint from which to critique others.

I have just expressed mine.
09/11/2009 05:16:25 PM · #3
The Lawsuit was dropped rugman. What do you say about that?

Originally posted by rugman1969:

Who cares? It's not yours or my problem. When you think you sit on top of the world and look down on everyone, reality slaps you in the face and then everyone feels sorry for you, if you are known. I have my own problems to worry about as I am sure do the rest of us. I could care less about her problems when I have my own to worry about. The hole has been dug, and she needs to get out of it on her own. My biggest problem with this is the word "proporties", which is plural for more than one. Why she or anyone else needs more than one I just don't understand. Does she really need more than one? Could she not just sell some of these to pay her debt? I don't feel sorry for her in the least. If she would have SAVED some money instead of going out to restaurants that probably cost more to eat at for one sitting than most of us could ever afford, she may not be in a mess as big as she is in now. No sympathy or compassion for these people from me. Instead of pissing the money she had away, she should have been taking care of her financials before she dug this hole. As they say, what comes around goes around. I would only like to know what she did to deserve this.
09/11/2009 03:22:14 PM · #4
Lawsuit dropped
09/10/2009 08:01:37 AM · #5
Originally posted by kenskid:

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?

Okay....

But I get one o' them good cameras so's I can take pitchers like her!
09/10/2009 01:00:46 AM · #6
Who cares? It's not yours or my problem. When you think you sit on top of the world and look down on everyone, reality slaps you in the face and then everyone feels sorry for you, if you are known. I have my own problems to worry about as I am sure do the rest of us. I could care less about her problems when I have my own to worry about. The hole has been dug, and she needs to get out of it on her own. My biggest problem with this is the word "proporties", which is plural for more than one. Why she or anyone else needs more than one I just don't understand. Does she really need more than one? Could she not just sell some of these to pay her debt? I don't feel sorry for her in the least. If she would have SAVED some money instead of going out to restaurants that probably cost more to eat at for one sitting than most of us could ever afford, she may not be in a mess as big as she is in now. No sympathy or compassion for these people from me. Instead of pissing the money she had away, she should have been taking care of her financials before she dug this hole. As they say, what comes around goes around. I would only like to know what she did to deserve this.
09/06/2009 05:33:15 PM · #7
Originally posted by L2:

She didn't sell it to a pawn shop, she sold it to an unregulated financial company that loans money to artists and take the works as collateral. And she GOT the same property rights and benefits -- Sontag willed them to her, including the massive debts on them. Annie could have sold those properties at any time before the market crashed to get out from under that debt load. The main point of the article you posted is how irresponsible she was with money even excluding the little bit about Sontag.


My thinking exactly! While I hate to see anyone fall down and slam into the hard pavement of life, she also had choices. We all make our own choices and we all face the consequences. So while yes it is sad, I shake my head at this rather then shed any tears.

09/06/2009 02:54:13 PM · #8
I got to this link via another locked one but noticed the others story line not mentioned... she is also being sued for copywrite infringement, so boy is she really hurting now.
09/06/2009 01:55:29 PM · #9
better dig deep in yer pockets first - get the ball rolling with the humanitarian efforts... :)


09/06/2009 01:26:21 PM · #10
LOL - I can dig up at least a hundred threads started as a joke and not all started by me! :-)

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:

Well I started another Leibovitz thread dedicated to saving Annie but it was locked because this thread was started first.

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Seems Annie Leibovitz is in debt and may lose the rights to many of her great photos. I've seen collections here on DPC for people that have broken their cameras or have had some other minor financial issues to contend with - how about a collection from DPC members to keep Leibovitz in the black and allow her to keep the rights to all of her work.

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?


You're joking, right?


You did read it correctly right? Tongue was firmly in cheek I am sure.


Well, I thought I did, but generally people don't try and start new threads for just a silly joke.. but then, it IS kenskid.. but then..

dammit, where's the winky smilie!
09/06/2009 01:24:10 PM · #11
Well it was started as a joke but since posting this request - my Paypal account has gained $300,000. I'll hand this money over to Anne in a few days.

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:

Well I started another Leibovitz thread dedicated to saving Annie but it was locked because this thread was started first.

************************

Seems Annie Leibovitz is in debt and may lose the rights to many of her great photos. I've seen collections here on DPC for people that have broken their cameras or have had some other minor financial issues to contend with - how about a collection from DPC members to keep Leibovitz in the black and allow her to keep the rights to all of her work.

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?


You're joking, right?


You did read it correctly right? Tongue was firmly in cheek I am sure.
09/06/2009 12:58:36 PM · #12
;)


09/06/2009 12:56:57 PM · #13
Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:

Well I started another Leibovitz thread dedicated to saving Annie but it was locked because this thread was started first.

************************

Seems Annie Leibovitz is in debt and may lose the rights to many of her great photos. I've seen collections here on DPC for people that have broken their cameras or have had some other minor financial issues to contend with - how about a collection from DPC members to keep Leibovitz in the black and allow her to keep the rights to all of her work.

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?


You're joking, right?


You did read it correctly right? Tongue was firmly in cheek I am sure.


Well, I thought I did, but generally people don't try and start new threads for just a silly joke.. but then, it IS kenskid.. but then..

dammit, where's the winky smilie!
09/06/2009 12:53:36 PM · #14
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:

Well I started another Leibovitz thread dedicated to saving Annie but it was locked because this thread was started first.

************************

Seems Annie Leibovitz is in debt and may lose the rights to many of her great photos. I've seen collections here on DPC for people that have broken their cameras or have had some other minor financial issues to contend with - how about a collection from DPC members to keep Leibovitz in the black and allow her to keep the rights to all of her work.

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?


You're joking, right?


You did read it correctly right? Tongue was firmly in cheek I am sure.
09/06/2009 12:50:41 PM · #15
i admire her work, and career. but when you deal with loan sharks you'll likely get bitten.

09/06/2009 12:41:36 PM · #16
Originally posted by kenskid:

Well I started another Leibovitz thread dedicated to saving Annie but it was locked because this thread was started first.

************************

Seems Annie Leibovitz is in debt and may lose the rights to many of her great photos. I've seen collections here on DPC for people that have broken their cameras or have had some other minor financial issues to contend with - how about a collection from DPC members to keep Leibovitz in the black and allow her to keep the rights to all of her work.

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?


You're joking, right?
09/06/2009 12:29:39 PM · #17
Originally posted by Kelli:

When you're married and your spouse dies, there is no inheritance tax, because you already legally own the property due to community property laws (at least that's the way I understand it). I could be wrong, but if they had the same rights as heterosexual couples she would not have an added tax burden.

You are partially correct. In many US States, you is not taxed on inheritance.

However, if you inherit real estate, you are responsible for any recurring property taxes as long as you own it. This can be very expensive for those that are not prepared. Also, income made on the property (if applicable) is also taxable.
09/06/2009 11:54:17 AM · #18
Well I started another Leibovitz thread dedicated to saving Annie but it was locked because this thread was started first.

************************

Seems Annie Leibovitz is in debt and may lose the rights to many of her great photos. I've seen collections here on DPC for people that have broken their cameras or have had some other minor financial issues to contend with - how about a collection from DPC members to keep Leibovitz in the black and allow her to keep the rights to all of her work.

I'm sure if we all pitch in about $100,000 each we could save her.....we must save her - she is too big to fail. ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' NikonJeb - You in?
08/23/2009 11:45:50 AM · #19
Update
03/01/2009 05:15:35 PM · #20
Didn't know that part. There, DrAchoo, is your irony. Maybe a further irony that this didn't help Rembrandt himself that much?
03/01/2009 06:23:09 AM · #21
Originally posted by tnun:

Still at it? Lots of people are no good at money. Rembrandt, Mozart, family members...


Ironically in Rembrandt's case they used some very good financial planning to keep all the money away from creditors..... In his first phase he blew the money, pissed the wrong people off etc, but in the 2nd phase where Stoffels and his son kind of managed the whole thing they made some good decisions. But life was a b*** back then and they died pretty soon.

03/01/2009 05:19:46 AM · #22
I agree with NikonJeb, and that's not because I own a Nikon.
And losing copyrighted art, to other countries, is bad for all of us in this country. As in the implicated impact and possible trend.

Mistakes can hurt, at any level in society. Could'ves, should'ves don't help.

Some famous quote by someone said something like:
...the more you have the more you've got to lose...

Then there is the quote, "The bigger they are the harder they fall".
The grass is not greener, they just spray-paint it, like the foreclosed homes' lawns.

Life is full of risks, the entertainment are the Challenges.
Like DPChallenge, perhaps? Naw, I don't see any DonaldTrump usernames here.
(Okay, now ignore me, as usual.)
02/28/2009 10:22:06 PM · #23
Originally posted by tnun:

When I think of people I know personally who seem foolish with money, I think also of their delightful brio in spending, and often of their extraordinary generosity.

Amen....

It strikes me as somehow sad that a seemingly intelligent species can be governed in thought and deed by paper with numbers on it......8>)
02/28/2009 09:26:11 PM · #24
Sounds like a Michael Jackson/MC Hammer/Travis Henry thing. Lots of money, but too much debt.
02/28/2009 07:20:34 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

He didn't call you a "pedant", he said "don't be pedantic." The adjective does not have the negative connotation that the noun does, or at least not the same, overtly negative connotation. It's a perfectly useful word that denotes obsession with details.

pedantic:
1. Like a pedant, overly concerned with formal rules and trivial points of learning.
2. Being showy of one’s knowledge, often in a boring manner.
3. Being finicky or picky with language.

FWIW.

R.


Who wants to define "irony" for me?

Haha. Just trying to lighten the mood. ;)
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