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05/06/2004 05:50:33 PM · #1
Did you see those appalling new prison photos from Iraq? The one were the poor guy is tied down naked and has a pair of underwear pulled over his head. I'm telling you, this could only be the evil genius of my older brother. Oh, the hours I spent in that position. Except the underwear over my head usually involved some sort of a stain. God forbid those photos ever make it on 60 Minutes II!

05/06/2004 06:00:32 PM · #2
Originally posted by thelsel:

Did you see those appalling new prison photos from Iraq? The one were the poor guy is tied down naked and has a pair of underwear pulled over his head. I'm telling you, this could only be the evil genius of my older brother. Oh, the hours I spent in that position. Except the underwear over my head usually involved some sort of a stain. God forbid those photos ever make it on 60 Minutes II!


From the talk of the dems you'd think we were actualy torturing the prisoners...

Embaressing and humiliating yes, torture, NO!

Message edited by author 2004-05-07 11:51:46.
05/06/2004 06:12:24 PM · #3
Originally posted by thelsel:

Did you see those appalling new prison photos from Iraq? The one were the poor guy is tied down naked and has a pair of underwear pulled over his head. I'm telling you, this could only be the evil genius of my older brother. Oh, the hours I spent in that position. Except the underwear over my head usually involved some sort of a stain. God forbid those photos ever make it on 60 Minutes II!

Sounds alot like hazing, too. Not torture.
05/06/2004 07:43:28 PM · #4
Originally posted by Russell2566:

From the talk of the dems you'd think we were actualy torturing the prisoners...

Embaressing and humiliating yes, torture, NO!

In your culture.

It clearly and explicitly violates the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners ... I believe even our government admits that. Do you really want to be an apologist for actions which even the President calls "abhorrent" and "nauseating?"

Or maybe they "were just following orders."

But since Mr. Bush has somehow finally managed to spit out the actual word "sorry" I guess everything is OK and we can all go home now ...
05/06/2004 07:44:28 PM · #5
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Originally posted by thelsel:

Did you see those appalling new prison photos from Iraq? The one were the poor guy is tied down naked and has a pair of underwear pulled over his head. I'm telling you, this could only be the evil genius of my older brother. Oh, the hours I spent in that position. Except the underwear over my head usually involved some sort of a stain. God forbid those photos ever make it on 60 Minutes II!

Sounds alot like hazing, too. Not torture.

Ask Senator McCain how it feels to be "hazed."
05/06/2004 07:53:44 PM · #6
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Originally posted by thelsel:

Did you see those appalling new prison photos from Iraq? The one were the poor guy is tied down naked and has a pair of underwear pulled over his head. I'm telling you, this could only be the evil genius of my older brother. Oh, the hours I spent in that position. Except the underwear over my head usually involved some sort of a stain. God forbid those photos ever make it on 60 Minutes II!

Sounds alot like hazing, too. Not torture.

Ask Senator McCain how it feels to be "hazed."


Even hazing is considered "abhorant" and "nauseating" in this age of political correctness. And Bush probably wouldn't even be apologizing if it was not for an upcoming election; I'd like to be a fly on the wall sometimes when he chats with Rumsfeld - bet it would make your skin crawl to hear how they really feel.
05/06/2004 07:57:22 PM · #7
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ask Senator McCain how it feels to be "hazed."

According to his Biography McCain was more than humiliated or "hazed".

"His Vietnam saga is, to say the least, riveting: try to imagine being strung up by your broken arms, beaten senseless by your captors and, then, when they offer you the chance to go home, saying no because it would be dishonorable to leave ahead of those captured before you." Ref HERE

Ron

05/06/2004 08:18:46 PM · #8
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War crimes are not funny !

But she is a cutie and I guess she is having lot of fun on the photos !

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Message edited by author 2004-05-06 20:32:57.
05/06/2004 08:36:20 PM · #9
Originally posted by thelsel:

Did you see those appalling new prison photos from Iraq?


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05/06/2004 08:47:06 PM · #10
Originally posted by pitsaman:

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War crimes are not funny !

But she is a cutie and I guess she is having lot of fun on the photos !

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Is it just me or does this chick sorta look like Alfred E. Newman?
05/06/2004 10:07:34 PM · #11
Isn't she the one whose parents are saying she's a great person and just got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time?

What happened to personal responsibility? Do people really think her actions can be excused as being in the wrong place at the wrong time or is this another case of the Menendez Brothers Whinery?
05/06/2004 10:27:24 PM · #12
What gets me is that when nothing is on my 99 channels of cable, that the 7 news cast are bringing these photos up every hour... making it more hard to believe that this is bing done right now by Americans, people should be able to keep their fantasies to themselves, specially when there is enough crime, murders, rapist, stalkers to scare you into being thankfull for what you have!
05/06/2004 10:31:17 PM · #13
Originally posted by orussell:

Originally posted by pitsaman:

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War crimes are not funny !

But she is a cutie and I guess she is having lot of fun on the photos !

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Is it just me or does this chick sorta look like Alfred E. Newman?


What her worry?

Well I guess she should.

And she is NOT cute.
05/06/2004 10:31:19 PM · #14
Originally posted by Russell2566:

From the talk of the dems you'd think we were actualy torturing the prisoners...


Originally posted by orussell:

Even hazing is considered "abhorant" and "nauseating" in this age of political correctness.


The evolving case of the prison abuses is a far more serious issue than partisan politics or political correctness. The image of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world, especially the Middle East, has been setback decades. We must work hard to regain our claim to the "moral high ground". We must not let our nation be dragged down to the level of those we condemn as terrorists and tyrants. If we do then they have won.

I especially resent the attempts to make the lowest level soldiers the scapegoats in something the first investigation called "systemic".

We are just seeing the beginning of the story. This should not be trivialized.
05/06/2004 10:40:58 PM · #15
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by Russell2566:

From the talk of the dems you'd think we were actualy torturing the prisoners...


Originally posted by orussell:

Even hazing is considered "abhorant" and "nauseating" in this age of political correctness.


The evolving case of the prison abuses is a far more serious issue than partisan politics or political correctness. The image of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world, especially the Middle East, has been setback decades. We must work hard to regain our claim to the "moral high ground". We must not let our nation be dragged down to the level of those we condemn as terrorists and tyrants. If we do then they have won.

I especially resent the attempts to make the lowest level soldiers the scapegoats in something the first investigation called "systemic".

We are just seeing the beginning of the story. This should not be trivialized.


Lets wee what happens, I really feel like its an isolated incident of extreme stupidity, not a reflection of the entire armed forces. And what bugs me, is there is more outrage over this then there was seeing US soldiers hung dead over bridges and parading them through the streets.

05/06/2004 10:51:50 PM · #16
ok i change my mind the Americans need to see the news on all the channels, cause I have now heard people in my community sound so stupid as to not knowing whats going on in the world!!
05/06/2004 11:13:24 PM · #17
Originally posted by orussell:

And Bush probably wouldn't even be apologizing if it was not for an upcoming election ...

Precisely my point ... and why I consider him unfit to fill the role of "leader of the free world."
05/06/2004 11:28:37 PM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by orussell:

And Bush probably wouldn't even be apologizing if it was not for an upcoming election ...

Precisely my point ... and why I consider him unfit to fill the role of "leader of the free world."


Well it's a good thing you only get one vote, cause your analitical skills suck! BTW: If an election wasn't coming up, do you think the media would even care about this? Do you realize that only about 0.00009% of the soldiers over there have been ACCUSED of commiting these acts?

Bush's NEVER should have apologized, it was a poor move I feel and does nothing but help feed the flames of Terrorists.

BTW: I go by US Laws, I could really care less what islamic law says. What happened to them was not torture by our standards (not even close). If you go down that slippery slope, the shit will get deep.

But I know, I know, if it's a liberal idea, all that matters is good intensions, who cares if it's a stupid idea that will never work or cause more harm!!!
05/06/2004 11:50:29 PM · #19
Originally posted by Riggs:

And what bugs me, is there is more outrage over this then there was seeing US soldiers hung dead over bridges and parading them through the streets.


I agree. Although this guy was indeed humiliated and degraded, he is still alive and well. Which is more then you can say about this guy or this guy. Yet, which incident gets the most airplay? You can't tell me playing naked twister is on the same level as being burned alive and strung up like a piñata.

05/06/2004 11:52:56 PM · #20
No one is saying that all, or even more than a few, Americam soldiers were involved. And yes, I do think it would be an important story even if there was no election. Those are diversions.
05/07/2004 12:03:45 AM · #21
While reading this thread and several others I am reminded of this thread, //www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=76291

Leaves a lot of room for interpretation
05/07/2004 12:07:17 AM · #22
I couldn't agree more. It's ridiculously one-sided.

Originally posted by thelsel:

Originally posted by Riggs:

And what bugs me, is there is more outrage over this then there was seeing US soldiers hung dead over bridges and parading them through the streets.


I agree. Although this guy was indeed humiliated and degraded, he is still alive and well. Which is more then you can say about this guy or this guy. Yet, which incident gets the most airplay? You can't tell me playing naked twister is on the same level as being burned alive and strung up like a piñata.
05/07/2004 07:25:07 AM · #23
Originally posted by Russell2566:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by orussell:

And Bush probably wouldn't even be apologizing if it was not for an upcoming election ...

Precisely my point ... and why I consider him unfit to fill the role of "leader of the free world."


Well it's a good thing you only get one vote, cause your analitical skills suck! BTW: If an election wasn't coming up, do you think the media would even care about this? Do you realize that only about 0.00009% of the soldiers over there have been ACCUSED of commiting these acts?

Bush's NEVER should have apologized, it was a poor move I feel and does nothing but help feed the flames of Terrorists.

BTW: I go by US Laws, I could really care less what islamic law says. What happened to them was not torture by our standards (not even close). If you go down that slippery slope, the shit will get deep.

But I know, I know, if it's a liberal idea, all that matters is good intensions, who cares if it's a stupid idea that will never work or cause more harm!!!


Why don't we (used loosely) dig a big pit around the whole frikken country, fill it with burning oil so no one can escape, and carpet bomb the whole country. Have it over with, once and for all. Would that make you happy Russell2566? Guess Halliburton et al wouldn't go for that though because it would make stealing the oil too uneconomical. Plus look at all the wasted oil. Shame.
05/07/2004 08:25:36 AM · #24
I'd be very interested to know about these soldiers who are shown in the photos and who've been suspended. I just wonder in what kind of political environment they grew up? Where did they come up with the idea that setting up these kinds of "photo opportunities" was an okay thing to do? That's all I'm gonna say . . . draw your own conclusions . . . but keep your eyes and ears open on this.
05/07/2004 08:48:45 AM · #25
Originally posted by orussell:


...dig a big pit around the whole frikken country, fill it with burning oil so no one can escape, and carpet bomb the whole country. Have it over with, once and for all. Would that make you happy Russell2566? Guess Halliburton et al wouldn't go for that though because it would make stealing the oil too uneconomical. Plus look at all the wasted oil. Shame.


Wow your right up there with GerneralE, I'm gonna have to start writing foot notes for you too. I would like you to re-read my post again and do it this time with your head OUT of your ass...

Message edited by author 2004-05-07 11:52:00.
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