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07/08/2009 03:37:15 AM · #51
Also suffering a dramatic fall. First vote was an 8; stayed in the 7+ range after quite a few votes; now:

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07/08/2009 04:31:27 AM · #52
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07/08/2009 06:25:08 AM · #53
I can't handle this yo-yo action... up, down, up, down, up, etc

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07/08/2009 06:27:30 AM · #54
First 8 votes, only 2 5s and the rest 6-8s. Nice. Overnight voters hit me hard with a 4.5 average knocking me from 6.2 to 5.1.

OUCH.
07/08/2009 07:05:43 AM · #55
Originally posted by vlado:

Now I'm getting depressed... it's approaching the 6.0 barrier... and I really didn't think it was a 5's type photo... well I did, but the way voting on it started, I though it might be a 6er.


Don't feel too bad, it's still way too early to tell. One of my recent challenge entries started out at 4.5 for the first day and finished at 5.4- nothing great, but I was at least relieved to get back into normal score range! I feel like the yo-yoing doesn't slow down too much until you've surpassed 50 votes and maybe not even until you're nearing 100.. so there's still hope yet!
07/08/2009 08:21:06 AM · #56
and down a little again ...

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07/08/2009 08:48:43 AM · #57
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I'm going to get blown out of the water on this one...yay for taking a pic 2 hours before deadline :-)
07/08/2009 09:00:24 AM · #58
Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Originally posted by LadyK:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Is it just me or does it seem like there are many images taken at the same level of the subject, certainly not from above the subject?

I'm disapointed. *sigh*


i noticed that too. how do you vote on stuff like that, i usually just leave comments


In cases where there's a subjective requirement of the topic, I usually just leave a comment and score it giving them the benefit of the doubt (high contrast for example).

But in this case, the challenge details are pretty clear cut: "Photograph any subject from a vantage point above it."

If the viewpoint is at the same level as the subject, then to me, it has not met the challenge requirements.

That's just one person's opinion, though. Vote how you see fit. :)

i would not usually comment on this type of thing but you my dear are being overly picky you commented on my shot which was taken from 30 feet above the subject!
07/08/2009 09:31:26 AM · #59
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07/08/2009 09:31:56 AM · #60
Originally posted by rider:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Originally posted by LadyK:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Is it just me or does it seem like there are many images taken at the same level of the subject, certainly not from above the subject?

I'm disapointed. *sigh*


i noticed that too. how do you vote on stuff like that, i usually just leave comments


In cases where there's a subjective requirement of the topic, I usually just leave a comment and score it giving them the benefit of the doubt (high contrast for example).

But in this case, the challenge details are pretty clear cut: "Photograph any subject from a vantage point above it."

If the viewpoint is at the same level as the subject, then to me, it has not met the challenge requirements.

That's just one person's opinion, though. Vote how you see fit. :)

i would not usually comment on this type of thing but you my dear are being overly picky you commented on my shot which was taken from 30 feet above the subject!


I wasn't going to complain, but mine, too received a dnmc comment because it wasn't taken from above. It was, from about 16 feet above. However, it was also about 20 feet to the side, thus not straight above. The challenge is "from Above", not "from Straight Above".
07/08/2009 09:34:11 AM · #61
Originally posted by Nobody:

Originally posted by rider:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Originally posted by LadyK:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Is it just me or does it seem like there are many images taken at the same level of the subject, certainly not from above the subject?

I'm disapointed. *sigh*


i noticed that too. how do you vote on stuff like that, i usually just leave comments


In cases where there's a subjective requirement of the topic, I usually just leave a comment and score it giving them the benefit of the doubt (high contrast for example).

But in this case, the challenge details are pretty clear cut: "Photograph any subject from a vantage point above it."

If the viewpoint is at the same level as the subject, then to me, it has not met the challenge requirements.

That's just one person's opinion, though. Vote how you see fit. :)

i would not usually comment on this type of thing but you my dear are being overly picky you commented on my shot which was taken from 30 feet above the subject!


I wasn't going to complain, but mine, too received a dnmc comment because it wasn't taken from above. It was, from about 16 feet above. However, it was also about 20 feet to the side, thus not straight above. The challenge is "from Above", not "from Straight Above".


I was worried I would end up with some DNMC comments, I have yet to get one, so maybe it's 'from above' enough.
07/08/2009 09:42:32 AM · #62
Originally posted by faery:

been hammered by the DNMC opinion...I DID read the challenge criteria carefully. In fact I set out with exactly an idea in mind and worked hard to get a clean image... "Photograph any subject from a vantage point above it"

The ambiguity of the topic set me to placing my SUBJECT at the vantage point ABOVE IT. I am on the same level as my subject however...

Just goes to show that in art and creativity the possibility of interpretation and response is WIDE OPEN!!!


All of those grouching because their images are hopping around between qualifying for a 6 or a 5+ score... mine is juggling between a 4.5 and 4.6 :-P

Have all but finished voting.. must say that I found myself voting to usual criteria: how much interest, what the interpretation of the topic has been, technical skill and originality... personally voting in this challenge hasn't been difficult. You can be sure though that just because an image was taken obvisouly from above, it didn't score higher than the images that showed some originality and skill that might have been taken from 20 degrees higher than the subject :-P
07/08/2009 09:53:06 AM · #63
Originally posted by rider:

i would not usually comment on this type of thing but you my dear are being overly picky you commented on my shot which was taken from 30 feet above the subject!


Basically, I vote on the image and deduct one or two points on DNMC and that is what I did on this challenge. (BTW, I very rarely give DNMC... ever.)

Everyone sees things differently, and I voted consistently across the entire challenge (did not 'cherry pick' entries to vote on) so my grading system was applied evenly over the entire challenge.

Perhaps I am being a bit too picky. I consider the definitiion of "over" something to mean "directly above", not just "at a higher level than", although I see now that the official definition included "at a higher level than", so I will readjust my scores to reflect the definition, but not the comments, because I think they are still valid.

Yet still, the ones taken from directly above will get a higher vote from me because I think they do a better job of meeting the challenge description. The image must make THE VOTER agree that the challenge has been met. That's the art of photography. Do I hate it when I get a DNMC on something I worked really hard on and feel fits the challenge perfectly? Absolutely! But, I respect the right of each person to view my image and vote according to their opinion. That's what makes this site work and lets me know how "the masses" are thinking. A single DNMC comment does not really affect my opinion of my own image. I consider it and try to figure out why the voter thinks it's DNMC (most of the time, they don't give a reason as I did). But, if I get two or more DNMC comments, I take it more seriously and try to learn from it. I've certainly had my share of 4.x images to educate me. *grin*

Regarding the image 30 feet above the subject. If the subject is a mouse, then I'd say even one foot is quite fitting for 'above'. If the subject is a mountain, I'd say you're on the same level. It has to be a proportional difference in order to appear to be 'above' in either definition, in my opinion.

ETA: For what it's worth, most of my DNMC comments were accompanied by a 4 score. Occasionally 5 and even 6. I deduct points from what I would normally give, I don't just automatically give a 1.

Message edited by author 2009-07-08 09:59:37.
07/08/2009 09:54:25 AM · #64
when i was shooting for mine-- I met a woman who had never used manual mode before and I chatted with her about this site and the challenges/ (she's a cannon user)and told her to seriously just play and have fun with her settings for a while and that as she played remember what she likes and how the lighting is... as time rolls by it just falls into place slowly and a lot of the time ya learn by doing -- (at least I do) = challenges are teaching me a lot about what ppl like/dislike around here I just wish the ppl who intentionally voted low would quit it because it really makes it difficult to gauge what is a good image -- (especially for new'er ppl who aren't used to the harsh realities of the challenge world and getting a bunch of 1's and 3's and 4's on a pic that fits a challenge/ isn't technically -bad- can be very confusing without explanation of y --- I hope ppl are remembering that this is a BASIC editing challenge (no dodging /burning / etc) and that you can be -above- something and be looking down but still have a looking forward a bit appearance to the image (which i do see a lot of in this challenge) I see a few that are not looking 'down' in my opinion but for all i know the person is up on a ladder, zoomed in to get the best angle of looking directly at their subject --- I see a lot of very creative pics in this challenge - one i think I can safely predict is going to be the blue-(but who ever knows with the voters)- its -amazing-

i would love to know what defines a 1 for a photo in this challenge by someone who has voted 1's or a 3 for that matter... (hypothetically of course don't be rude and actually comment about specific pics in the challenge)

just the same ol'same ol all summed up -- back to the scores/


Avg Vote: 6.2500


I do believe this will make my front page unless it heads for 4's soon...
07/08/2009 10:11:11 AM · #65
Originally posted by Love6:

I see a few that are not looking 'down' in my opinion but for all i know the person is up on a ladder, zoomed in to get the best angle of looking directly at their subject --- .


To me, the actual distance of being higher than the subject is not the qualifying criteria. To me, it's making the image APPEAR to have been taken from high above the subject. (Take my Zoo image, for example. I don't think it was necessary for my image to be shot in an actual zoo. I just think it had to LOOK like it was.)

The 'customer' tells the photographer what he wants the image to look like, and the photographer is to make it look that way. It doesn't matter if it WAS that way. The customer does not care how the photograph came into being... just that it meets his 'looks' requirement. A photograph doesn't come with a history. Its looks are all it has to go on.

If one can take an "above" image standing right beside the subject, it's fine by me.

The viewer must think it was taken above the image. That's all there is to the assignment, in my opinion.

Regarding scores, whether someone has been shooting for two days or two years, I don't think I should give an 8 to an awful photo and I don't think I'm doing the photographer any good by falsely upping score for his tender feelings. I do admit that I've only given one or two 1's before, just for this reason... tender feelings. I don't want folks to give up and go away; I want them to stay and get better.

The thing I like best about this site is the annonymous voting. I get enough "oh my word, this is gorgeous, Lydia" from my family. I want the truth from strangers so I will know how I'm REALLY doing/progressing. I'll give Irene a 4 if I think it's a 4 image. And I think she'd want me to.

I don't think the newbies who just started photography look at their images compared to the ribbon winners and wonder why they didn't win. They KNOW they have a way to go to get there. That's the point of the Profile Average. We can play against ourselves (like a golf handicap) and watch our average increase with our growth.

ETA: punctuation

Message edited by author 2009-07-08 10:11:59.
07/08/2009 10:47:58 AM · #66
Originally posted by "LydiaToo":

The customer does not care how the photograph came into being... just that it meets his 'looks' requirement.


Like looking "UP" by looking "DOWN" :)

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07/08/2009 11:04:58 AM · #67
Holding up. 20% to my comment goal. :)

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07/08/2009 11:07:00 AM · #68
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back to the real world.
07/08/2009 12:08:46 PM · #69
ouch

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07/08/2009 12:21:27 PM · #70
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Holding up. 20% to my comment goal. :)

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Is that comments you are hoping to receive, or comments you are going to give?
07/08/2009 01:28:37 PM · #71
Originally posted by Melethia:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Holding up. 20% to my comment goal. :)

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Is that comments you are hoping to receive, or comments you are going to give?


Umm, well, dang, ummmm, gonna give? ;)
07/08/2009 02:00:02 PM · #72
Good answer! :-)
07/08/2009 02:01:27 PM · #73
Hmmm, I don't know if I've ever gotten a comment from the good doctor...
07/08/2009 04:19:24 PM · #74
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Updated: 07/08/09 04:18 pm

my highest score ever still..........

07/08/2009 04:42:38 PM · #75
Originally posted by Love6:

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Updated: 07/08/09 04:18 pm

my highest score ever still..........


congrats! Have fun with it, and don't let the trolls get you down -- remember, they're most likely trolling everyone!
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