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08/13/2009 11:14:21 PM · #176
The editing is all part of digital photography. Plenty of people can help you learn those editing skills when you have a question, and there are a raft of tutorials on the site. Even Ansel Adams did serious manipulation to his film photography to get the look he wanted.
08/14/2009 03:57:43 AM · #177
My favorite example of what can be accomplished with minimal editing in an almost-anything-goes editing ("expert") challenge:

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08/14/2009 05:04:29 AM · #178
Originally posted by asdxrwh:

First let me say I love your website. I get so many ideas about what makes a great photo. But, I want to request a contest category for novice photographers who use cameras such a Canon A590 but don't have all the editing software to make photos that are "winners". It's so obvious the winners are heavily edited and I believe that's unfair to the rest of us amateurs.


It's neither in the editing nor comes it from the camera. Me and many more dpcers were able to ribbon regardless of the camera they had or the editing they were allowed to do.I personally vote images lower when the editing is visible and I guess I'm not alone.
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So If you have great ideas just shoot them, grab a free editing software and ask for editing help in the forums.
08/14/2009 05:14:25 AM · #179
Originally posted by asdxrwh:

First let me say I love your website. I get so many ideas about what makes a great photo. But, I want to request a contest category for novice photographers who use cameras such a Canon A590 but don't have all the editing software to make photos that are "winners". It's so obvious the winners are heavily edited and I believe that's unfair to the rest of us amateurs.


If you haven't already seen it, here's the giant list of free software.
09/10/2009 05:56:12 PM · #180
No dodging & burning in Basic Editing, though, correct?
09/10/2009 06:02:20 PM · #181
Originally posted by kauisyndrome:

No dodging & burning in Basic Editing, though, correct?

From the Basic Rules:
"You may not:

spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels."

This refers to dodge and burn.
Cheers
09/15/2009 03:30:52 PM · #182
Thanks, Peter.
01/19/2010 09:40:45 PM · #183
Has anybody used Nik Color Effex yet? Validated in basic?
01/19/2010 10:58:51 PM · #184
This whole thread brought up a very good question in my mind:

Why is there no "tutorial" on what is and is not acceptable as far as this goes.. I would like to see a tutorial or at least an examples page of what is and is not legal, that would be really nice to refer to, especially in instances like this where when I see a photo that I'm voting on, I have no visual baseline to judge them on. That's really unfortunate, because sometimes I'm questioning whether I should cry foul on an image, but just pass on thinking someone else will do it (one of the great social diseases if you ask me..), and I would like to see something that was specifically dedicated to ( do/do not ) type information, and was presented in a strongly visual way (remember some DPC'ers aren't as good with English as their native languages.)..

Probably stop quite a few needless arguments too...

Just my -$.02 :)
01/19/2010 11:10:07 PM · #185
The thing is, is that there is no hard and fast rule as to what is allowed and what is not. It's all in how they are applied. If you get too heavyhanded with something that is otherwise legal you run the risk of a DQ. Every image and every application is different.
02/15/2010 05:26:25 AM · #186
I'm a bit thick, so I'd love it if someone could just answer this simple, two-part question for me. I've been through this whole thread and haven't figured this out definitively:

For Basic Editing:
1- Perspective alterations are out, correct? ("You may not: distort or stretch your image in any way.")
2 - Photomatix is allowed, but can you use it to create a mild HDR effect as long as it is used on one capture? Can that one capture be altered into multiple exposures and blended?

Bonus round question: Is there a Topaz-like program for Flintstone-era Macs?

These are basic, I know, but I'm basic. Thanks a lot.

Edit: I suppose using the word "effect" answers my own question. I just wanted to be sure. Thanks.

Message edited by author 2010-02-15 05:27:27.
02/15/2010 05:33:30 AM · #187
Originally posted by bohemka:

I'm a bit thick, so I'd love it if someone could just answer this simple, two-part question for me. I've been through this whole thread and haven't figured this out definitively:

For Basic Editing:
1- Perspective alterations are out, correct? ("You may not: distort or stretch your image in any way.")
2 - Photomatix is allowed, but can you use it to create a mild HDR effect as long as it is used on one capture? Can that one capture be altered into multiple exposures and blended?

Bonus round question: Is there a Topaz-like program for Flintstone-era Macs?

These are basic, I know, but I'm basic. Thanks a lot.

Edit: I suppose using the word "effect" answers my own question. I just wanted to be sure. Thanks.


Hi Scott,

1 - In basic you cannot do lens corrections (like perspective, pincushion, etc). In advanced you're allowed to do it, but not to a point were it becomes a feature, it's just for corrections.
2 - You can tonemap a photo in Photomatix, etc, as long as it is one single exposure. Unless stated otherwise, only one exposure is allowed.

Bonus question: any Mac guru's out there??

02/15/2010 06:08:16 AM · #188
Originally posted by bohemka:

Photomatix is allowed, but can you use it to create a mild HDR effect as long as it is used on one capture?

I've emboldened the operative word......

You get to figure out the limits of mild......8>)
02/15/2010 06:10:12 AM · #189
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by bohemka:

Photomatix is allowed, but can you use it to create a mild HDR effect as long as it is used on one capture?

I've emboldened the operative word......

You get to figure out the limits of mild......8>)


Good one Jeb :)

Scott, the difference between HDR and HD-AARGHH is very subtle :-P
02/15/2010 06:11:20 AM · #190
Thanks a lot. I thought I could give the photo a bit more pop if I could save the single capture as +3, save it again as - 3, and blend the three, but that's obviously not allowed. I'll check the software threads for Topaz equivalents. Thanks again.
02/15/2010 06:35:16 AM · #191
Originally posted by bohemka:

Thanks a lot. I thought I could give the photo a bit more pop if I could save the single capture as +3, save it again as - 3, and blend the three, but that's obviously not allowed. I'll check the software threads for Topaz equivalents. Thanks again.


This is allowed.

You can process as many versions of the one capture as you like...as long as it is one capture.
02/15/2010 06:42:25 AM · #192
Thanks, MichaelC. All clear.
02/15/2010 07:00:10 AM · #193
Originally posted by MichaelC:

Originally posted by bohemka:

Thanks a lot. I thought I could give the photo a bit more pop if I could save the single capture as +3, save it again as - 3, and blend the three, but that's obviously not allowed. I'll check the software threads for Topaz equivalents. Thanks again.


This is allowed.

You can process as many versions of the one capture as you like...as long as it is one capture.


This is NOT allowed in basic (as I understand your idea), ypu would have to use more than one layer containing pixel data. Ask SC to be sure.
02/15/2010 07:04:31 AM · #194
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02/15/2010 07:04:50 AM · #195
Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by MichaelC:

Originally posted by bohemka:

Thanks a lot. I thought I could give the photo a bit more pop if I could save the single capture as +3, save it again as - 3, and blend the three, but that's obviously not allowed. I'll check the software threads for Topaz equivalents. Thanks again.


This is allowed.

You can process as many versions of the one capture as you like...as long as it is one capture.


This is NOT allowed in basic (as I understand your idea), ypu would have to use more than one layer containing pixel data. Ask SC to be sure.


I have asked officials about this, was told no, not legal. But, you can make a single image hdr using photomatix.

02/15/2010 08:40:47 AM · #196
Okay, thanks a lot for all the feedback. Now it's crystal clear. Final verdict:

Creating multiple layers with different exposures from one capture: Not allowed.
Creating an HDR-like image and tone mapping with Photomatix on the solitary layer of a single capture: Allowed.

So basically you can't add any layers in basic. I understood clearly that no layer masks were allowed, but because that was mentioned specifically I thought you could at least add a universal overlay or multiplier layer, but apparently not. So all color adjustments, sharpening, etc., must take place on the background layer, and they must affect the entire image. Well that's basic enough.
02/18/2010 09:06:50 PM · #197
Triple checking ... one of those days ... TOPAZ ADJUST 3 is still legal in basic editing? Correct?
02/18/2010 09:39:58 PM · #198
Originally posted by pwarmuz:

Triple checking ... one of those days ... TOPAZ ADJUST 3 is still legal in basic editing? Correct?


I think so, but is Topaz Detail legal in basic? It seems to be a more subtle Topaz application.
02/18/2010 09:53:06 PM · #199
Some of the Topaz plug-ins are currently under discussion; there's no final decision(s) yet. If it uses layers, moves pixels around, or creates features/shapes/detail where there wasn't any in the original, it's probably illegal in Basic (and possibly in Advanced as well).

Your best option currently is to submit a ticket to the SC (Help > Contact Us menu) with your editing details and before/after versions of the image, and at least get an informal opinion as to the legality of the editing. Try to do this at least a day or two before the challenge submission deadline so there will be time for a few people to look at it.

Sorry we can't give you a more definitive answer at this time.
02/18/2010 10:01:57 PM · #200
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Some of the Topaz plug-ins are currently under discussion; there's no final decision(s) yet. If it uses layers, moves pixels around, or creates features/shapes/detail where there wasn't any in the original, it's probably illegal in Basic (and possibly in Advanced as well).

Your best option currently is to submit a ticket to the SC (Help > Contact Us menu) with your editing details and before/after versions of the image, and at least get an informal opinion as to the legality of the editing. Try to do this at least a day or two before the challenge submission deadline so there will be time for a few people to look at it.

Sorry we can't give you a more definitive answer at this time.


Thanks ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/1031.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeneralE - that clears it up - I was looking at using Topaz Adjust 3 with Portrait Drama. I'm pretty sure I can get there adjusting the curves, levels, contrast, etc ... I was just lazy when I asked. Thanks for the prompt info.
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