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10/08/2009 08:13:18 PM · #176
OK, I've sunk below a 6. I'm guessing the voting populace of DPC doesn't care much for low-key photography. :-/
10/08/2009 08:13:55 PM · #177
Originally posted by VitaminB:

Is 5 the new 6?

It would appear so, Bradster.
10/08/2009 08:20:47 PM · #178
Originally posted by david_c:

OK, I've sunk below a 6. I'm guessing the voting populace of DPC doesn't care much for low-key photography. :-/


I agree. Or, maybe just more of them need to Google "low-key" before they vote. Do a bit of research first before casting an uneducated vote.
10/08/2009 09:11:11 PM · #179
Originally posted by ASTONishing:

Originally posted by david_c:

OK, I've sunk below a 6. I'm guessing the voting populace of DPC doesn't care much for low-key photography. :-/


I agree. Or, maybe just more of them need to Google "low-key" before they vote. Do a bit of research first before casting an uneducated vote.


I have to agree, I'm starting to think if my entry were way under exposed it would be scoring better.
10/08/2009 09:13:50 PM · #180
Don't worry guys, nobody could be doing worse than me. Am I really this vague?
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10/08/2009 09:20:55 PM · #181
still holding onto a 4.9 for dear life. I got a comment though..

i don't understand how every one can be soo low though? I think people need to lighten up.
10/08/2009 09:31:32 PM · #182
Originally posted by mBastin:

I think people need to lighten up.

I'm afraid that would be high key, and DNMC.
10/08/2009 10:18:40 PM · #183
Well... I was feeling bummed about my own score, not that it is doing terrible, but that it was lower than I had hoped and expected it to be. I really like the shot that I entered, so I guess I started taking the scoring personally.

So, I decided to vote on the low key challenge, and not surprisingly, it cheered me up. Some outstanding photos in there.

You have rated 223 of 225 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 10 images (4%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1300.
10/09/2009 12:40:13 AM · #184
dropped a few points lately but i'm not dissappointed, i knew this one wouldn't be recieved very well by the masses, but for the few that did like it, they left some really nice and thoughtful comments...and even got fav'd.

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Message edited by author 2009-10-09 00:41:26.
10/09/2009 12:45:06 AM · #185
You have rated 45 of 225 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 45 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.6889.

Slowly but surely folks, I'll get to all of you. I'll try and do 20% more each night until it's over.

As I work through my scoring though, I'm noticing a fatal flaw in my scoring algorithm. Can anyone that I've scored spot it?

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*sigh*

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10/09/2009 03:37:50 AM · #186
100 votes check...

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... and going down.

Nice comm though and 1 fav!
10/09/2009 05:10:34 AM · #187
Originally posted by dustingooding:

You have rated 45 of 225 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 45 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.6889.

Slowly but surely folks, I'll get to all of you. I'll try and do 20% more each night until it's over.

As I work through my scoring though, I'm noticing a fatal flaw in my scoring algorithm. Can anyone that I've scored spot it?

Votes: 102
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*sigh*


Thanks for the constructive comments you made on my photo and you scoring system certainly gave an interesting insight as to what you've considered important.

I've also tried to come up with a scoring system that is 'fair' but all-to-often that system fails. I think the flaw in your scoring system is that only 3 marks are available for meeting the challenge leaving a maximum score of 7/10 for a photo that could be completely irrelevant to the challenge! That is why others take the line of if it doesn't meet the challenge it gets a '1' which is understandable.

It's certainly not an easy task trying to score completely fairly and I have reverted back to a gut instinct scoring system. While I can score quickly, I do find myself reviewing those scores by comparing each photo with the others of the same score. It's not perfect but I seem to end up with a normal distribution from 1 to 10.
10/09/2009 06:49:35 AM · #188
100 vote check in, and very disappointing it is too:

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10/09/2009 06:52:00 AM · #189
Originally posted by acg83:


I think the flaw in your scoring system is that only 3 marks are available for meeting the challenge leaving a maximum score of 7/10 for a photo that could be completely irrelevant to the challenge! That is why others take the line of if it doesn't meet the challenge it gets a '1' which is understandable.

It's certainly not an easy task trying to score completely fairly and I have reverted back to a gut instinct scoring system. While I can score quickly, I do find myself reviewing those scores by comparing each photo with the others of the same score. It's not perfect but I seem to end up with a normal distribution from 1 to 10.


I disagree with anyone that automatically gives a 1 for DNMC. I have received some of these 1's in the past with photos that were out of the box, or when I simply had a different interpretation of the challenge description than the voter. 1's are very destructive to a persons score, but also, because the punish out of the box photos with 1's, they limit the creativity of the site.

Instead, for anything that I feel is DNMC, I ask myself what I would score the photo if it were a Free Study. Then I subtract 2 from the score. So, if it is an average photo, I would score it a 5, but take two away for not meeting the challenge. If is an outstanding photo that would normally get a 7 from me, I take two away and score it a 5. My first pass of voting usually doesnt score anything above 7 anyway (I later re-visit my 7s for bumping).

Just my 2c.

Message edited by author 2009-10-09 08:11:01.
10/09/2009 07:03:09 AM · #190
I also strongly disagree with the 1's for the DNMC...

I vote them according to their photographic qualities and then subtract points for DNMC.


10/09/2009 08:49:42 AM · #191
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And enough to put me off of challenges for at least a little while, possibly completely. I will definitely not be voting or commenting (not even upon request) on this one since I obviously have not a clue what "low key" is. Good luck, all!
10/09/2009 09:04:43 AM · #192
Originally posted by Melethia:



And enough to put me off of challenges for at least a little while, possibly completely. I will definitely not be voting or commenting (not even upon request) on this one since I obviously have not a clue what "low key" is. Good luck, all!


What struck me most about well over half of the entries, is not as much whether they were low key or not (many are not, imo) but how uninteresting I found the subjects that were chosen. A good deal were just dark images but I think low key is how the highlights are handled or crafted, that makes the image strong or weak fitting the genre. If they (the highlights) aren't crisp or meaningful the point gets lost. Those are just some general thoughts...
10/09/2009 09:34:36 AM · #193
Originally posted by VitaminB:

... Instead, for anything that I feel is DNMC, I ask myself what I would score the photo if it were a Free Study. Then I subtract 2 from the score. ... If is an outstanding photo that would normally get a 7 from me, I take two away and score it a 5. ...

Just my 2c.

So, a beautifully done waterdrop shot in a Pet Portrait challenge would get a 5 (or higher) from you?!
10/09/2009 09:40:32 AM · #194

What struck me most about well over half of the entries, is not as much whether they were low key or not (many are not, imo) but how uninteresting I found the subjects that were chosen. A good deal were just dark images but I think low key is how the highlights are handled or crafted, that makes the image strong or weak fitting the genre. If they (the highlights) aren't crisp or meaningful the point gets lost. Those are just some general thoughts... [/quote]

I fully agree with you on that, after googling for Low key I found that I needed some kind of studio lights to make a nice low key image with defined highlights... soo I went out and bought some powerful lights to be able to take make the photo that I wanted.
This is my first entry to a challenge, I spent 3 long evenings making my picture and had a lot of fun doing it.. learned also alot, specialy because it was the first time I play with lights.
Now I am fluctuating around 6 in the votings, and only 1 comment :-( .
10/09/2009 09:47:23 AM · #195
Things picked up a little overnight, starting to crawl out of the depths.

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But, it may not last long.
10/09/2009 09:57:36 AM · #196
A vote of 3 takes me back under a 5. I didn't think it was a killer shot, but I figured it would have enough appeal to stay well into the 5's. Oh, well.
10/09/2009 10:19:28 AM · #197
Originally posted by acg83:

Originally posted by dustingooding:

You have rated 45 of 225 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 45 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.6889.

Slowly but surely folks, I'll get to all of you. I'll try and do 20% more each night until it's over.

As I work through my scoring though, I'm noticing a fatal flaw in my scoring algorithm. Can anyone that I've scored spot it?

Votes: 102
Views: 166
Avg Vote: 4.8627
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0

*sigh*


Thanks for the constructive comments you made on my photo and you scoring system certainly gave an interesting insight as to what you've considered important.

I've also tried to come up with a scoring system that is 'fair' but all-to-often that system fails. I think the flaw in your scoring system is that only 3 marks are available for meeting the challenge leaving a maximum score of 7/10 for a photo that could be completely irrelevant to the challenge! That is why others take the line of if it doesn't meet the challenge it gets a '1' which is understandable.

It's certainly not an easy task trying to score completely fairly and I have reverted back to a gut instinct scoring system. While I can score quickly, I do find myself reviewing those scores by comparing each photo with the others of the same score. It's not perfect but I seem to end up with a normal distribution from 1 to 10.


You got it! Under my current system, had the challenge been to capture a high color action shot, and someone submitted an Ansel B&W, they'd get a 7. That's probably not good. I'll keep scoring the same for this challenge to be fair, but I'll work on making "does it meet the challenge" a multiplier instead of an additive.
10/09/2009 10:22:41 AM · #198
Originally posted by gutsa:

What struck me most about well over half of the entries, is not as much whether they were low key or not (many are not, imo) but how uninteresting I found the subjects that were chosen. A good deal were just dark images but I think low key is how the highlights are handled or crafted, that makes the image strong or weak fitting the genre. If they (the highlights) aren't crisp or meaningful the point gets lost. Those are just some general thoughts...


I fully agree with you on that, after googling for Low key I found that I needed some kind of studio lights to make a nice low key image with defined highlights... soo I went out and bought some powerful lights to be able to take make the photo that I wanted.
This is my first entry to a challenge, I spent 3 long evenings making my picture and had a lot of fun doing it.. learned also alot, specialy because it was the first time I play with lights.
Now I am fluctuating around 6 in the votings, and only 1 comment :-( . [/quote]

100% agree again. There's some amount of intangible in low key, in my opinion. Is low key dark? Yes. Is it supposed to have few highlights? Yes. But its more than that. It's how the highlights and the shadows interact to show your subject. A dark background with a dimly lit face is not low key, to me. A dark background with a face that has key elements (nose, cheek bone, etc) highlighted with the rest in shadows? Far more likely to be low key. And my scores have reflected this.
10/09/2009 10:30:03 AM · #199
Originally posted by gutsa:

What struck me most about well over half of the entries, is not as much whether they were low key or not (many are not, imo) but how uninteresting I found the subjects that were chosen. A good deal were just dark images but I think low key is how the highlights are handled or crafted, that makes the image strong or weak fitting the genre. If they (the highlights) aren't crisp or meaningful the point gets lost. Those are just some general thoughts...


I fully agree with you on that, after googling for Low key I found that I needed some kind of studio lights to make a nice low key image with defined highlights... soo I went out and bought some powerful lights to be able to take make the photo that I wanted.
This is my first entry to a challenge, I spent 3 long evenings making my picture and had a lot of fun doing it.. learned also alot, specialy because it was the first time I play with lights.
Now I am fluctuating around 6 in the votings, and only 1 comment :-( . [/quote]

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The images can be found or crafted BUT again, it's generally about how the highlights work in tandem with the lows. Artistically, I'm looking for the visual contrast as much as the literal contrast...actually more so. Underexposed is just underexposed...oh well.

Message edited by author 2009-10-09 11:04:52.
10/09/2009 11:46:16 AM · #200
I think I need to learn a bit more about Low Key. It was my first attempt at a low key shot and I found it difficult to figure out what was low key and what was just a dark or over-contrasted shot. I tried many different shots, changing lighting (same subject)and, even different edits of the shot. In the end, I was perplexed as to what would be viewed as Low Key and what would be viewed as too dark. I ended up going "middle road" so to speak. I used really high tech lighting too (a darkened room with a bright light coming through a slightly ajar door LOL). But, I'm also with Melethia...I'm not sure what really constitutes Low Key either. I'm going through each one on its own merits as I score and revising the scores as I go along. I've realized that perhaps, I was sticking too closely to the examples given in the discussion thread "pre-challenge" and some googled shots. It's likely to be a tough call for many of us scoring because it seems that there are degrees to which people consider a shot low key and it will depend upon each individual's definition and according to their specific tastes in general as well??? I think this is where Street Photography kind of gets caught up as well in voting. Ah well, I learned some new things and that made it worth the time, thought and effort. :)

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