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12/10/2009 03:23:03 AM · #1
//www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09cost.html
12/10/2009 10:18:13 AM · #2
Originally posted by FireBird:

//www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09cost.html


Thank you for the link, interesting reading.
People often consider the cost of acting, but rarely the cost of failling to act, wich often lot greater.

(on a side note, this article talks a bit about the Copenhague summit and that just reminds me of how much I hate what Stephen Harper did with my country's reputation!)

12/10/2009 11:45:59 AM · #3
//www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html
12/10/2009 12:25:07 PM · #4
Originally posted by merchillio:


(on a side note, this article talks a bit about the Copenhague summit and that just reminds me of how much I hate what Stephen Harper did with my country's reputation!)


I assume you are referring to the Kyoto accord, a terribly flawed mechanism that did not have the greatest polluters in the world participating.

Ray
12/10/2009 01:17:50 PM · #5
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by merchillio:


(on a side note, this article talks a bit about the Copenhague summit and that just reminds me of how much I hate what Stephen Harper did with my country's reputation!)


I assume you are referring to the Kyoto accord, a terribly flawed mechanism that did not have the greatest polluters in the world participating.

Ray


Kyoto may be flawed, but it's no reason to do nothing. I always thought of Canada as a leader by example, not anymore. 3 fossil prizes in 3 days.... we're not only not a leader anymore, we sunk to the bottom. Oh, I know China pollutes way more than we do, but they are a lot more people. And they don't need Kyoto's protocol to start acting. Asian countries are among leaders in using efficient-urbasnism and eco-friendly construction for new buildings. Something that would be VERY easy to do here, and be very profitable in the long run, but no.. we prefer to manage on a short term basis. That's the ONE (and only) good thing about dictatorship; government can act on long term because they don't fear losing the next election. The only thing the conservatives (or llberals too for taht matters) do when elected is worry about how to win the next election, they don't care about the future of the nation.

And not just for environment. For the past 2 years, the government claimed that no afghan prisonner tranfered by canadian forces to afghan police were ever tortured. A few months ago a high ranking officer said that it was a known fact that many prisonners were in fact tortured. Of course, government official claimed that it was all lies. Yesterday, the evidence got more solid, and they said "oh.. you were talking about that one... well appart from that case, no prisoner have ever been tortured".... it will go on and on for every case that will be revealed.

Canada has always been see as shinning beacon of people rights and liberties, a country that will protect its citizen. When a canadian citizen was sentenced to the death penalty, Canada used to do every thing in its power to get the citizen back to a canadian prison, or at least tranform the death penalty to a life-sentence. Now, when a canadian citizen is sentenced to death, even if it's a political prisoner, the only response from the government? "meh"

When I was young, we traveling I just had to sew a canadian flag on my backpack to be treated like a king everywhere, because Canada did so many great things for so many countries. I can't stand to see Harper soil that reputation by acting like a stupid Bush look-alike. (That and his total non-professionnal attitude in international summit: "Every G20 leaders discussing a global matter? nah thanks I'll just go attend the opening of a new Tim Horton's restaurant....")
12/10/2009 01:50:04 PM · #6
Originally posted by merchillio:

When I was young, ...


Unless your profile is severely out of whack... "You ARE young". While I can fully appreciate your concerns, the fact remains that the KYOTO Accord is severely flawed and will not work until such time as all of the key players come on board, something which is not likely to happen any time soon.

As for Canada being the shining beacon for peoples rights and liberties, a quick study of Canadian history will clearly demonstrate that such is not the case, particularly as it relates to our indigenous peoples. With regards to those individuals that commit crimes in foreign countries, I am of the opinion that it is not our place to interfere in the internal matters of other countries.

I could go on but I won't. Suffice to say that I prefer a pragmatic approach when dealing with contentious issues and try not to be swayed by the political flavour of the day. I may not necessariy agree with all of the decisions rendered by our current government, but at least I haven't seen any representative from the PM's office refer to our American counterparts as "Morons"

Ray
12/10/2009 01:52:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by merchillio:

When I was young, ...


Unless your profile is severely out of whack... "You ARE young".


ok, I give you that one, I meant, when I was younger and not stuck in a 9@5 job so I could take months off and wander around in europe, not yet drowning in student loan debt.

Originally posted by RayEthier:

but at least I haven't seen any representative from the PM's office refer to our American counterparts as "Morons"

are reffering to my "stupid bush look-alike" bit? "stupid" was referencing Harper in his imitation of Bush


Message edited by author 2009-12-10 13:55:26.
12/10/2009 02:28:05 PM · #8
Originally posted by merchillio:

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Originally posted by RayEthier:

but at least I haven't seen any representative from the PM's office refer to our American counterparts as "Morons"

are reffering to my "stupid bush look-alike" bit? "stupid" was referencing Harper in his imitation of Bush


... Actually no, I was referring to the incident reported Here

Ray
12/10/2009 02:49:33 PM · #9
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by merchillio:

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Originally posted by RayEthier:

but at least I haven't seen any representative from the PM's office refer to our American counterparts as "Morons"

are reffering to my "stupid bush look-alike" bit? "stupid" was referencing Harper in his imitation of Bush


... Actually no, I was referring to the incident reported Here

Ray


ha ha ha, I just love what she wrote in her resignation letter:
"It is very apparent to me that truth has no place in Canadian politics when an obvious and time tested fact such as Bush being a moron cannot be tolerated.

I would therefore like to leave my position as director of communications immediately because the field of communications, as well as the economic and political interests it serves, seems to have lost all sense of reality. I am grateful for surviving this utterly farcical episode."

But you are right this kind of attitude cannot be tolerated for someone in her position.

But the entire article is priceless

U.S. Labor Secretary Elaine Chao: "I'm glad everyone who has expressed that George W. Bush is a moron doesn't have to resign their jobs. Who would repair our cars? Heal our sick? Butcher our meat? Educate our children? Build our highways? Protect our streets? My God! At that level of truth practically everyone in the world would have to quit their jobs"

And I just love Chretien's response to Ducros: "In your almost four years as director of communications, you never seemed to understand that since communications is a form of media its all about lying"

Thanks for that good laugh Ray

Message edited by author 2009-12-10 14:50:00.
12/10/2009 03:10:21 PM · #10
Originally posted by merchillio:


Thanks for that good laugh Ray


Glad I could help... :O)

Ray
12/10/2009 03:46:53 PM · #11
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by merchillio:


(on a side note, this article talks a bit about the Copenhague summit and that just reminds me of how much I hate what Stephen Harper did with my country's reputation!)


I assume you are referring to the Kyoto accord, a terribly flawed mechanism that did not have the greatest polluters in the world participating.

Ray


And was also signed by the previous Liberal Gov't which promptly did nothing to try and achieve the goals of this accord for a decade. The Liberals then expect the current gov't to make up for their inaction.

Yes, since the Conservatives have come to power they haven't done much either. I just think it's rich coming from the party in power at the time Kyoto was signed and did nothing to live up to the commitment.
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