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12/28/2009 12:40:33 AM · #26
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Ouch, should have went with a more conventional portrait. =)
12/28/2009 12:41:07 AM · #27
don't know about your "vast majority," you may be right, but I would also contend that there is a large contention of artists/photographers/John Does that consider "full body" portraits in their own right.

i'm more surprised that no one has griped about the whole "looking at the camera" aspect that seems to be more universal in portraiture.
12/28/2009 12:44:52 AM · #28
the fact is that we have here at this challenge a majority of photos of "birds" without anything to do with "portrait" and that what would set the tone regarding this challenge.... pretty sad.
12/28/2009 12:45:32 AM · #29
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

regarding a "portrait" - vast majority of people in the field will agree its "head & shoulders".
taking a portrait shot of a bird in the wild will make it that much harder.... isnt this what challenges are all about?!


It would make it nearly impossible around here. I've been called a sneaky SOB from time to time, turns out I'm not. These birds are spooky.
12/28/2009 12:45:38 AM · #30
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

regarding a "portrait" - vast majority of people in the field will agree its "head & shoulders".
taking a portrait shot of a bird in the wild will make it that much harder.... isnt this what challenges are all about?!


Its this type of attitude/argument/ whatever that has driven me away from this site. I hardly bother anymore...

In any case, this definition I googled up pretty much sums up what I think truly "Most" people think:

//www.flickr.com/groups/thebestportraitsart/discuss/72157614435052791/

1. Portrait photography (also known as portraiture) is the capture by means of photography of the likeness of a person or a small group of people, in which the face and its expression is predominant. The objective is to display the likeness, personality, and even the mood of the person. The focus of the photograph is the person's face, although the entire body and the background may be included. A portrait is generally not a snapshot, but a composed image of a person in a still position. A portrait often shows a person looking directly at the photographer, in order to most successfully engage the subject with the viewer.

2. Environmental portrait is a portrait executed in the subject's usual environment, such as in their home or workplace, and typically illuminates the subject's life and surroundings. By photographing a person in their natural surroundings, it is thought that you will be able to better illuminate their character, and therefore portray the essence of their personality, rather than merely a likeness of their physical features
12/28/2009 12:47:45 AM · #31
I felt that was a fair definition as well, nobody.
12/28/2009 12:49:12 AM · #32
Alas, I was unable to get my bird to wear a royal robe...::pout::

12/28/2009 12:50:36 AM · #33
Originally posted by Nobody:

Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

regarding a "portrait" - vast majority of people in the field will agree its "head & shoulders".
taking a portrait shot of a bird in the wild will make it that much harder.... isnt this what challenges are all about?!


Its this type of attitude/argument/ whatever that has driven me away from this site. I hardly bother anymore...

In any case, this definition I googled up pretty much sums up what I think truly "Most" people think:

//www.flickr.com/groups/thebestportraitsart/discuss/72157614435052791/

1. Portrait photography (also known as portraiture) is the capture by means of photography of the likeness of a person or a small group of people, in which the face and its expression is predominant. The objective is to display the likeness, personality, and even the mood of the person. The focus of the photograph is the person's face, although the entire body and the background may be included. A portrait is generally not a snapshot, but a composed image of a person in a still position. A portrait often shows a person looking directly at the photographer, in order to most successfully engage the subject with the viewer.

2. Environmental portrait is a portrait executed in the subject's usual environment, such as in their home or workplace, and typically illuminates the subject's life and surroundings. By photographing a person in their natural surroundings, it is thought that you will be able to better illuminate their character, and therefore portray the essence of their personality, rather than merely a likeness of their physical features


amen. i believe this rests the issue. now back to regular programming :)
12/28/2009 12:51:38 AM · #34
Swooped down to 4.8, and now back to 5.
There seems to be a good struggle going on about this challenge and it's exact description : )
12/28/2009 12:53:47 AM · #35
just think what you would say (or pay) to a photographer that you had hired to take a portrait shot of your kids and he comes back to you with a full body shot...

good night, its always a pleasure...

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 00:54:29.
12/28/2009 12:54:20 AM · #36
I didn't even know birds HAD shoulders...
12/28/2009 12:56:16 AM · #37
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

just think what you would say (or pay) to a photographer that you had hired to take a portrait shot of your kids and he comes back to you with a full body shot...

good night, its always a pleasure...


I think if I hired a photog to take portraits of the kids and he came back with some bird shots, THEN I'd have an issue :)
12/28/2009 12:56:46 AM · #38
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I didn't even know birds HAD shoulders...


I didn't know a picture of a bird would cause such an debate, for this matter.

Portrait of a bird. In its natural environment. Can't we respect people see and interpret things different from one another? geeeez! ok. I've stuck my hand in the shark jar. Now to hide in my closet or something.
12/28/2009 12:58:15 AM · #39
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

just think what you would say (or pay) to a photographer that you had hired to take a portrait shot of your kids and he comes back to you with a full body shot...

good night, its always a pleasure...


isn't that part of an all in one package? A close up shot (head/shoulder), a half-body shot and a full-body shot?
12/28/2009 01:02:13 AM · #40
I think the head only idea is crap. Yep I said it... Reason: Cannot verify environment effectively- As challenge requires.

So, what is a portrait? I have no idea- I think I like the idea of the subject LOOKING at the camera, with the face/head/eyes in focus..

Oh, and it's actually 92.7% who 'ignored' the challenge as defined by (don't mess with the) zohar-halfon

(Edited to add corrected percentages..)

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 01:57:22.
12/28/2009 01:04:08 AM · #41
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

just think what you would say (or pay) to a photographer that you had hired to take a portrait shot of your kids and he comes back to you with a full body shot...

good night, its always a pleasure...


Dude - relax and loosen up your definitions a bit. I look at your profile page and see 4 of your top 8 shots as bird portraits. Nice work.

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 01:05:06.
12/28/2009 01:51:27 AM · #42
Really really REALLY strange how this thread has developed. I was almost positive there would be complaining about some shots that are not wild enough. But to complain they're not "Portrait" enough? Sheesh.

Anyways, since this is a scoring thread and I haven't seen a lot of numbers...

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12/28/2009 01:54:45 AM · #43
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Updated: 12/28/09 01:53 am

Still exactly average..
12/28/2009 02:01:57 AM · #44
I was hoping for better and expecting worse!

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Message edited by author 2009-12-28 06:02:24.
12/28/2009 02:21:54 AM · #45
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12/28/2009 02:25:05 AM · #46
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

i cant believe that 90% of the photos disregard the fact that it suppose to be a PORTRAIT of a bird not a WHOLE bird. this is ridiculous!!!
i guess the majority is going to make its own rules and go by them...


huh?


huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh??????????????????
what dont you understand about the word "portrait"?


Wow! You're just flat out wrong on this one. While a portrait is most commonly the head and torso, it can be a full body shot. I've read that in a photography book.
12/28/2009 02:26:57 AM · #47
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

the fact is that we have here at this challenge a majority of photos of "birds" without anything to do with "portrait" and that what would set the tone regarding this challenge.... pretty sad.


Wow! What's sad is your nasty attitude.
12/28/2009 02:27:32 AM · #48
Hoping for some better score and some comments....

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12/28/2009 02:30:23 AM · #49
Here's one definition that specifies nothing about just head and shoulders.

noun
1. a likeness of a person, esp. of the face, as a painting, drawing, or photograph: a gallery of family portraits.
2. a verbal picture or description, usually of a person: a biography that provides a fascinating portrait of an 18th-century rogue.
12/28/2009 02:31:31 AM · #50
And here's another:

"A portrait is a painting, photograph, sculpture, or other artistic representation of a person, in which the face and its expression is predominant. The intent is to display the likeness, personality, and even the mood of the person. For this reason, in photography a portrait is generally not a snapshot, but a composed image of a person in a still position. A portrait often shows a person looking directly at the painter or photographer, in order to most successfully engage the subject with the viewer."
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