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12/28/2009 02:40:55 AM · #51
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

the fact is that we have here at this challenge a majority of photos of "birds" without anything to do with "portrait" and that what would set the tone regarding this challenge.... pretty sad.


In my own book, a portrait is the exposition of the subject essence. "Head and shoulders" or "Head shots" (see ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' zohar-halfon definition above) and "looking at the camera" (see ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/811.gif', '/') + 1) . ' karmat suggestion above) are too effective ways of achieving this goal with humans, but learning new means to this end would be refreshing, not sad.
12/28/2009 02:55:08 AM · #52
I did not really think carefully over the true meaning of portrait, and took in the wild to mean that we did not have to fork out the $20 admission to the zoo! All I wanted to do was to capture the essence of what being a bird is. As it sands I will go with what ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' nobody said to a point. Photography (art) is meant to be creative and not do the same boring thing every one else has done or using the same fixed ideas as others, unless you are a wedding photographer :P

I almost died of shock from reading this. Can we close the voting now?
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12/28/2009 04:24:01 AM · #53
According to J.D. Wacker in his book "Master Posing Guide for Portrait Photographers", there are 3 types of portraits:
head and shoulders
3/4 length
full length
However, this applies to people, not birds. He also considers a 90mm - 105mm a "potrait" lens, and I don't think that anyone is going to get a good bird shot with that focal length. I used a 500mm.

Now lets everyone kiss and make up, enjoy the photos and continue voting.

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 04:28:20.
12/28/2009 04:32:49 AM · #54
Wow, a lot of ruffled feathers...pun intended.

Although the challenge is titled "Portrait of a Wild Bird" It also goes on to say "Photograph a wild bird in a natural environment -- no birds on leashes, perched on gloves, no zoos, no bird feeders -- just wild and natural." So. If one were to gather only "Head and Shoulders" then presumably the 'wild and natural environment' would be lost to the cameras captured DOF, since a fairly shallow DOF would be required for such a close-up head shot.

All that bullshoot being said, I think I'll be looking for the ones that stepped outside the box and the photographer decided for him or herself what constitutes a bird's portrait. After all, isn't this whole DP Challenge thing about a personal expression of ones own views.

Jim's definition of a bird portrait. A photo of a bird, group of birds, a gaggle of birds, a bunch of birds or a single, couple or several birds that are doing bird stuff when the dude or dudette with the camera took the picture.

Footnote: the photographer should never take himself so seriously that he or she lets trivial, childish bullshoot get under their skin lest he be thought of as a dingus.

Rock on picture people!

And for those that don't enjoy eloquence in posting ... how 'bout we quit the friggin' whining and look at some pictures :o)

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 04:44:09.
12/28/2009 04:36:30 AM · #55
Oh ya, I almost forgot:

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12/28/2009 05:06:12 AM · #56
Well I didn't manage to get anything for this challenge - but at first look through there are some very nice shots and I will be back later to comment on them
12/28/2009 05:44:25 AM · #57
Originally posted by zohar-halfon:

i cant believe that 90% of the photos disregard the fact that it suppose to be a PORTRAIT of a bird not a WHOLE bird. this is ridiculous!!!
i guess the majority is going to make its own rules and go by them...


Here is one of the most famous paintings of George Washington, usually referred to as the "Lansdowne Portrait": //www.georgewashington.si.edu/portrait/index.html

Multiple people have posted definitions from reliable sources, and real-world examples, showing although portraits are often headshots, they do not need to be so. So far you have not cited any sources at all. Can you provide even one reliable source that says a portrait must be a headshot only?
12/28/2009 05:51:56 AM · #58
You have rated 138 of 138 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (8%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.7754.

Awesome entries. Congrats to everyone.
12/28/2009 06:01:20 AM · #59
Oh dear seems people are getting bashed, how strange for DPC.....

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I'll settle for this, mine is a real WILD shot no zoo's or feeders from me.
They didnt mention supermarkets though so I was gonna submit a shot of a fried chicken
12/28/2009 06:35:06 AM · #60
Well, this is either going to be a very high scoring challenge or some people aren't getting the scores they deserve (in my view). My image is currently scoring in uncharted territory for me and there are plenty of better images in the challenge.
12/28/2009 06:43:05 AM · #61
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FWIW...animals and birds use their whole body to communicate, they don't rely on face/head alone. So that's all I'm sayin' on the portrait thing. And it was damn hard enough getting a good shot with an 18-200mm.

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 07:02:43.
12/28/2009 06:53:00 AM · #62
Held up fairly well overnight...
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12/28/2009 06:56:05 AM · #63
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12/28/2009 07:36:45 AM · #64
A portrait can be full length, head and shoulders, or other partials. Anyway, title doesn't particularly matter, only definition.

To those who think it has to be head and shoulders only, I leave an ancient gypsy curse: May a flock of seagulls poopeth on thine head.

12/28/2009 07:40:43 AM · #65
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12/28/2009 07:51:07 AM · #66
Well - I've never had a score like this before so I'm going to post it before it disappears forever:

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12/28/2009 07:58:23 AM · #67
Originally posted by vawendy:

A portrait can be full length, head and shoulders, or other partials. Anyway, title doesn't particularly matter, only definition.

To those who think it has to be head and shoulders only, I leave an ancient gypsy curse: May a flock of seagulls poopeth on thine head.

lol! Even better may they regurgitate their fish dinner on thine head!
There are beautiful shots in this challenge and they dont deserve nit picking votes!
12/28/2009 08:00:06 AM · #68
Originally posted by paulbtlw:

Well - I've never had a score like this before so I'm going to post it before it disappears forever:

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Wow! Congratulations! Looks like you got a ribbon in your hands!
I just finished voting and there are many great shots in the challenge.
12/28/2009 08:07:17 AM · #69
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12/28/2009 08:10:28 AM · #70
5.17 this morning.
The images are submitted, the voting is going on now, there's nothing that all the fuss will do now. It looks like ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' paulbtlw has the right combination of bird and environment, so when it's over, we will have a very good example of what works. For all who are arguing/whining over the definition of "bird portrait", just get over it : ) I put in enough environment to make sure that no one would think that my shot was done in a zoo, and the voters are bashing it.
12/28/2009 08:15:40 AM · #71
This is getting closer to where I thought it would score. Just a bit more drop and it will be there.

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12/28/2009 08:18:35 AM · #72
right where i expected. well maybe 5.5

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Joe
12/28/2009 08:20:00 AM · #73
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12/28/2009 08:23:18 AM · #74
A devilish score

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Updated: 12/28/09 08:22 am

12/28/2009 08:23:43 AM · #75
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