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02/17/2010 07:58:00 AM · #1
First off...I promise after this thread I will post a good experience with a model...even though I don't need help with the good experiences I have. But this is an important issue I need help with.....

I shot with this model over 3 months ago. We spent weeks discussing clothing and ideas for the shoot. During the shoot, I made sure she was comfortable and anything she wasn't comfortable with we didn't do. We looked at the photos after the shoot. Even after the photos were edited, we discussed editing changes to the photos together. So we worked together throughout the whole process (as you are supposed to do). Well this weekend I started updating my online portfolios (including facebook) and I got this message from the model.......

"I hope you are doing well. Im writing this because ive been losing sleep over these pictures. I dont even know where to start. Im having so much regret about doing the implied and even the simple fact that im in lingerie. Its not me at all and I feel so uncomfortable when i look at them. I love the way my face and skin and eyes and lips look, its extremely complimentary and then i look at my body and i realize its me and my stomach is in knots. Im so afraid that these are going to damage my future not only within modeling but if ever decide to teach or im in any type of powerful position. I have such high goals and dreams and expectations of myself and this makes me feel so dissapointed. I really really wish more than anything in the world that these pictures didnt exist at all, not on facebook, not on any modeling site, not in your portfolio. If you could honor this request it would relieve an indefinite amount of stress from my life and i really hope you understand where im coming from. I would absolutely love to shoot again just not in this style."

Again this is 3 months later after all the time we put together going through the photos. I spent 3-4 hours during the shoot, spiked up my bills using lights and heating the place (heating it beyond what i would normally do if I were there by myself), spent about a month editing photos during my weekends and after work. And she received her photos...I have a model release, but trying to figure out what I should do. Do I just count that whole month as lost or delete the photos? I'm obviously not planning on working with this model again so reshooting is not an option...I don't need to waste another month of my time to have her change her mind several months down the road.
02/17/2010 08:00:00 AM · #2
Oh...by the way...the implied was actually her idea. I wanted to shoot in a button down shirt but it wasn't working. She thought it would be better if she didn't have a shirt on and covered herself. And I ended up only using one of those shots.

The lingerie was Boyshorts and a bra....so it wasn't an overly sexy type of shots. She chose what items to bring.

Message edited by author 2010-02-17 08:00:29.
02/17/2010 08:14:40 AM · #3
While I can appreciate her concern to some degree, I recently read somewhere that the new governor in the USA had posed for some rather riske photos ...didn't seem to hurt his career all that much.

On a personal note, I think I would acquiesce to her request and chalk it up to one of life's experience.

Ray
02/17/2010 08:18:45 AM · #4
Originally posted by RayEthier:

........On a personal note, I think I would acquiesce to her request and chalk it up to one of life's experience.

Ray


yep
02/17/2010 08:20:13 AM · #5
Originally posted by RayEthier:

I think I would acquiesce to her request and chalk it up to one of life's experience.

Ray


Yes, i'd say thats the thing to do. Of course, if you have the model release and contract i doubt there is much she could do about stopping you but, then, who the hell would want to be that sort of photographer? (Yes, i know, sadly the world is full of them). I'd rather have a gentlemanly moral dignity than a contract any day.
02/17/2010 08:26:46 AM · #6
Respect her request, but don't destroy the photos. When she becomes a "powerful" person, whip them out and sell them for a fortune! ;D
02/17/2010 08:29:44 AM · #7
Originally posted by RayEthier:

While I can appreciate her concern to some degree, I recently read somewhere that the new governor in the USA had posed for some rather riske photos ...didn't seem to hurt his career all that much.

On a personal note, I think I would acquiesce to her request and chalk it up to one of life's experience.

Ray


Well that's it...only 1 or 2 of the photos are riske...The rest aren't. Sure it's lingerie, but not necessarily riske (unless my definition of riske is altered). Here is one of the photos that was entered into a challenge here...(keep in mind that I later reedited to get rid of the harsh lighting and darkened the background). **I'm only showing it for the type of poses that were done in relation to the thread topic***

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Message edited by author 2010-02-17 08:31:09.
02/17/2010 08:33:25 AM · #8
Originally posted by Kelli:

Respect her request, but don't destroy the photos. When she becomes a "powerful" person, whip them out and sell them for a fortune! ;D


hehe My thoughts exactly! : )
02/17/2010 08:56:06 AM · #9
Out of respect for your model's wishes, I'm not clicking on the thumbnail. :-)

02/17/2010 09:05:41 AM · #10
Originally posted by citymars:

Out of respect for your model's wishes, I'm not clicking on the thumbnail. :-)


Well according to DPC, it will remain posted anyways. hmm....now what if I had sold one of her photos as stock and licensed it. She'd be SOL.

I don't think I'm going to chalk it up as a loss. She received compensation out of the deal (in terms of photos) and I did not. I'm going to selectively not use some photos and keep the others and not use them.....until she gets famous.
02/17/2010 09:06:17 AM · #11
You have no choice than respecting her wishes and no post any of her photos that she feels uncomfortable about. Chalk it as a learning experience.

I have been in this boat before and this is why I am very upfront and clear about what I intend to do with the photos (this way they know what they are getting themselves into). In addition, I do not let the model have any say on how I edit my photos unless it is something we did not agree in the photoshoot (like removing items to make her look like its implied nudity).

I find that the more say you give the models, the more control they will have over your work. (unless they are paying you, then thats is a different story) You own the images, you can do what you wish within the agreement of the model release.

And always make them sign a model release before the shoot. Do not waste their time and more importantly do not waste yours. It only hurts you both.

This is the difficulty of working with people as subjects. You have to put up with all kinds of wishes and you learn to be very black and white and upfront about what your intent is. You should have never have any ambiguity of your intentions.

Sorry to hear that, but you have no choice. Respect her wishes and do the right thing.
02/17/2010 09:07:55 AM · #12
Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by citymars:

Out of respect for your model's wishes, I'm not clicking on the thumbnail. :-)


Well according to DPC, it will remain posted anyways. hmm....now what if I had sold one of her photos as stock and licensed it. She'd be SOL.

I don't think I'm going to chalk it up as a loss. She received compensation out of the deal (in terms of photos) and I did not. I'm going to selectively not use some photos and keep the others and not use them.....until she gets famous.


The girl is giving you a legitmate reason why she doesnt want them posted, you should respect her wishes or it will only damage your reputation as a photographer. As I said, chalk it up and move on. I have had this happen plenty of times. There are other models out there on MM that you can use. Dont throw it all away because of one gal.
02/17/2010 09:16:27 AM · #13
Originally posted by citymars:

Out of respect for your model's wishes, I'm not clicking on the thumbnail. :-)


I found it kind of strange that you would post one of her pictures on this thread with the response you have gotten from EVERYONE on this.
02/17/2010 09:21:08 AM · #14
Originally posted by CoreyFitz:

Originally posted by citymars:

Out of respect for your model's wishes, I'm not clicking on the thumbnail. :-)


I found it kind of strange that you would post one of her pictures on this thread with the response you have gotten from EVERYONE on this.


It doesn't matter, because I can't delete it from DPC. If you read, it was already entered in a challenge. Which means its permanently in my portfolio, which means whether I post it here or not, it doesn't make a difference.
02/17/2010 09:24:57 AM · #15
Originally posted by albc28:

Originally posted by CoreyFitz:

Originally posted by citymars:

Out of respect for your model's wishes, I'm not clicking on the thumbnail. :-)


I found it kind of strange that you would post one of her pictures on this thread with the response you have gotten from EVERYONE on this.


It doesn't matter, because I can't delete it from DPC. If you read, it was already entered in a challenge. Which means its permanently in my portfolio, which means whether I post it here or not, it doesn't make a difference.


You can ask SC to have it removed if you choose to do so.
02/17/2010 09:27:36 AM · #16
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:

You have no choice than respecting her wishes and no post any of her photos that she feels uncomfortable about. Chalk it as a learning experience.

I have been in this boat before and this is why I am very upfront and clear about what I intend to do with the photos (this way they know what they are getting themselves into). In addition, I do not let the model have any say on how I edit my photos unless it is something we did not agree in the photoshoot (like removing items to make her look like its implied nudity).

I find that the more say you give the models, the more control they will have over your work. (unless they are paying you, then thats is a different story) You own the images, you can do what you wish within the agreement of the model release.

And always make them sign a model release before the shoot. Do not waste their time and more importantly do not waste yours. It only hurts you both.

This is the difficulty of working with people as subjects. You have to put up with all kinds of wishes and you learn to be very black and white and upfront about what your intent is. You should have never have any ambiguity of your intentions.

Sorry to hear that, but you have no choice. Respect her wishes and do the right thing.


Well I did have the model sign the release, so she knew what they are being used for. So there was no ambiguity. As I said we even discussed this stuff before the shoot, during the shoot, and after the shoot, and after editing. She got to see all the edited photos when she chose the photos for her compensation. So how do I chalk it up as a loss if she has already received her compensation for the shoot and then tells me that I have to delete them....doesn't that then only give her full control of the photos...not to mention she'll be the only one with them and would be able to do as she pleased with them?
02/17/2010 09:46:28 AM · #17
Thank you for all your help, but I think just talking it out cleared my head on what I should do.
02/17/2010 09:54:26 AM · #18
It took this girl 3 months to change her mind, I'm sorry but if she felt that way she should not have done it to begin with. It sounds like you took a lot of time going over everything with her, I'm not sure what I would do if it was me. I know I would not be happy.
02/17/2010 10:39:17 AM · #19
I should feel happy to do some shots with her, even if I did not have a chance to publish them!
02/17/2010 10:54:32 AM · #20
Originally posted by albc28:

Thank you for all your help, but I think just talking it out cleared my head on what I should do.


so what are you going to do?
02/17/2010 11:05:00 AM · #21
Originally posted by RayEthier:

I recently read somewhere that the new governor in the USA had posed for some rather riske photos


huh?
02/17/2010 11:31:33 AM · #22
I believe that legally speaking - if she gave her permission, she can take it back. To make it a legal issue, she might have to put it in writing, but still...

02/17/2010 11:41:02 AM · #23
Have you thought about just selling her the images? That way your time gets paid for and she can have full control over what happens with the images from that point forward.
02/17/2010 11:46:56 AM · #24
Sounds to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you didn't get paid at all for the shoot. Your "payment" is the photos as was hers. She got her payment. If you can not use the pictures then you did not. Does this make sense with any other business?

They are your photos. I understand her wish, and I would probably go along with it but would want some kind of compensation. Sell her the rights to the pictures. If she wants full rights to them (which is what shes asking for) then she wouldn't have any problem paying a reasonable fee for them (and for your time and effort). </my $0.02>
02/17/2010 12:10:45 PM · #25
I feel that as long as you have a signed release from her then she really would have no real legal right to just send you an e-mail and say "sorry, changed my mind". Maybe she should be the one to chalk this up as experience. I do agree with offering to sell her the rights to the photos she doesn't want you to use in your portfilio. It's only fair.
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