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Campbell's Soup Can (Blue & Purple, Modern)
Campbell's Soup Can (Blue & Purple, Modern)
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Photograph Information Photographer's Comments
Challenge: Blue II (Basic Editing III)
Camera: Canon EOS-20D
Lens: Canon EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
Location: EST
Date: Jan 28, 2006
Aperture: f/2.8
ISO: 100
Shutter: 1/10
Galleries: Digital Art, Food and Drink
Date Uploaded: Jan 29, 2006

 Adjustments (in alphabetical order):
Border.
Cropping.
Despeckle to remove noise.
Gaussian Blur.
Posterization (looks the same on my 16-color screen now as it should on yours).
Unsharp Mask, maybe. I forget if I didn't undo this.

This was obviously inspired by Andy Warhol's 1965 Campbell's Soup Can (Blue & Purple), and was the best I could manage within basic rules. It didn't come out as smoothly as I had hoped, to which I blame in part these new-fangled cans and my incompetence. The only tomato cans (used in the original) I could find had too much extra junk for some contest, so I went with the chicken soup instead.

If this had come out better, I'd say something about how I was trying to do something out of the proverbial box.
Frankly, I wholly expect this to not do well.
I'll be almost disappointed if it doesn't [not do well]. I figure 3-something, 3.4-ish maybe.
Disqualification Details
The use of effects filters (excluding Noise and Gaussian Blur) is not permitted in Basic Editing. Please review the challenge submission rules.

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 02/22/2006 05:33:25 AM
Originally posted by Robby:
Have you had a response yet?

I'm surprised you didn't ask about posterization. Posterization is generally be modeld as a (non-linear) filter, and posterization is commonly referred to as an effect (when the original comes from a denser color space). It is also a cost savings in printing but not in digital imaging.

Is that what you meant by converting between binary representations?


Aye, that's why I brought up internal representations of data. For instance, if I were to save my file as a GIF, I'd have no choice but to reduce the colors down to 255 (or whatever it is) and this would ostensibly be done as part of the conversion process. As has been pointed out repeatedly, the end result doesn't seem to matter so much in the rules as does how it was obtained, particularly in the basic rules.

Originally posted by Robby:

Now whether that is legal or not is debatable. I would interpret the rule to be yes, that is illegal as an 'effects filter' - but I do see some ambiguity.

Clearly gaussian blur, unsharp mask ('effect filter'), and all jpg conversion filters (generally not considered an effects filter), as well as Neat image (seems like an effect filter to me) are all legal filters in basic challenges.

Anyway, keep us posted.


A lot of the rules seem arbitrary, hopefully that's being addressed in the rewrite.

If I ever get a response, I'll definitely post it here. (Alternatively, someone who knows may feel free to just post the response here).
 02/19/2006 06:20:43 PM
Have you had a response yet?

I'm surprised you didn't ask about posterization. Posterization is generally be modeld as a (non-linear) filter, and posterization is commonly referred to as an effect (when the original comes from a denser color space). It is also a cost savings in printing but not in digital imaging.

Is that what you meant by converting between binary representations?

Now whether that is legal or not is debatable. I would interpret the rule to be yes, that is illegal as an 'effects filter' - but I do see some ambiguity.

Clearly gaussian blur, unsharp mask ('effect filter'), and all jpg conversion filters (generally not considered an effects filter), as well as Neat image (seems like an effect filter to me) are all legal filters in basic challenges.

Anyway, keep us posted.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/08/2006 03:58:22 AM
Since the final tally doesn't appear to be shown anymore, I calculated the average score.
It appears to have been 3.4899 (691/198). Ignoring the outliers (1 and 10) the arithmetic mean is 3.6936. For what it's worth, when I received the request for the original, the score was exactly 3.4000 and I was quite happy that I'd guessed spot-on. I guess I underestimated slightly voting patterns. I'm wondering if the "vote 1-3, please leave a comment" suggestions caused the abundance of fours. The standard deviation, assuming I plugged in the numbers correctly at 4am, is 1.6882.

I've asked what filter resulted in the DQ, I realize the powers that be are very busy, but I have not received a response yet. The message I sent is posted below:
Originally posted by m:

For future reference, what filter caused the disqualification?
I believe the only filters I used (unless you consider something
that saves/loads/converts the file itself between binary
representations, which would seem to be ridiculous, as a filter
under these rules) were Gaussian Blur and Unsharp Mask which as I
understand it, the rules expressly allow (one sentence before the
one that states the rule you reference).

I am not challenging the ruling, but wish only to understand the
rules so as not to repeat the same mistake. Thank-you.


(Quoted here simply for reference purposes, also of note is that I was mistaken in the message I sent in that I forgot I denoised the image--is this illegal? I seem to recall that it was one of the provided allowed filters.)

Thanks to everybody who left a comment, and it has since been brought to my attention that somebody did do a Warhol tribute (under advanced editing). I decided not to enter a similar photo in that contest because the rules explicitly stated that it was a tribute to a photographer, and I couldn't find any evidence that Warhol was active in that role.

Addressing the comments about lacking blue, the entire top of the can is light blue, and every color has a large blue element. There is also the propensity for green to be considered blue, although I will take the observations into account for future contests.

 Comments Made During the Challenge
02/06/2006 03:51:51 AM
not too original
 02/05/2006 06:56:33 PM
Looks more like grey/green. Too much post-processing for my tastes, but I can see where you're coming from.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/05/2006 03:16:39 AM
Sorry, I see no blue.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/03/2006 01:28:42 PM
Looks like you were trying for an artsy poster-like effect. That's fine for art class, but probably won't get you good scores in DPC. Some combination of interesting subject, gradient of tones, nice colors, detail, composition with "rule of thirds", would be better.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/03/2006 10:44:29 AM
I don't know what you really made to the colours, but it doesn't have a positive effect averall. It ruins the quality, and it's rather purple than blue. It would be better to find a blue can, and avoid such agressive (and destructive) post-process.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/02/2006 12:42:59 PM
It isn't interesting at all.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/02/2006 03:07:58 AM
More blue!
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/01/2006 09:22:27 PM
Err, not very blue... but I love the picture
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/01/2006 09:20:21 PM
Is this really a photo of a can? It seems too flat.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/01/2006 08:24:33 PM
Fun treatment of the can. Like it.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/01/2006 11:19:53 AM
Gutsy to submit this into this challenge. I like this shot. 10
  Photographer found comment helpful.
 02/01/2006 10:34:24 AM
either photoshopped, or a picture of a picture. either way, it's purple and not interesting.
  Photographer found comment helpful.


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