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Challenge: Image Grain II (Basic Editing)
Camera: Kodak Z612
Location: my house in Gearhart
Date: Mar 12, 2007
Aperture: f/4
ISO: 400
Shutter: 1/81 sec.
Galleries: Emotive, Portraiture
Date Uploaded: Mar 12, 2007

i don't really know how to use grain artistically, but this shot seems to have done me well. i just kinda went for a lonely/depressing feel and the light through the windows definitely helped. anyways, in Photoshop i did the following;

Layers:
hue/sat
bright/contrast

actually, aside from cropping and resizing, i think that was it... for all who are curious, i used ISO-400...and i know, i know...everyone has this shot, but now i have mine!

Statistics
Place: 308 out of 399
Avg (all users): 4.8360
Avg (commenters): 4.6667
Avg (participants): 4.6262
Avg (non-participants): 5.1098
Views since voting: 754
Views during voting: 289
Votes: 189
Comments: 14
Favorites: 0


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03/21/2007 03:17:04 PM
To address the too dark issue - when I see something on my main monitor that is "too dark", I check it on another monitor I have that is lighter. This one works on both monitors for me, though the second one does reveal a bit more. You made the picture you wanted, which is good, but you must also (for the sake of DPC only, not for your own purposes) make sure you take into account the wide range of monitors on which folks view these pictures. If you don't mind "too dark" as a comment, then that's cool.

For the picture, I like your "everyone has one of these, this is mine" comment. It means that you set out to do something specific and were pleased with the results. In my opinion, that's 90% (or more) of what we should all get out of photography. It is nice if someone else sees it, too, and from some of your comments, a few others did. I like the dual aspect of grain for the challenge - in the darkness there's grain, and there's the grain of the paint on the wall. I LOVE the wee bit of diagonal light - that's a particular favorite of mine. And while you mention you should probably have been more judicious in your choice of shirt to wear, I think the bit of color from the one you have on is perfectly placed in the frame.

I agree with dahkota's comments about the centering (and understand that you couldn't really change it, based on your comments in the thread.) Emotive shots like this can benefit by leaving more space on one side or another, or even at the top sometimes. Though that said, I'm not against centered compositions. Not everything works on the rule of thirds.

Key takeaways - you got what YOU wanted out of the shot and you got some useful feedback with respect to how others see (or don't see) what you tried to convey. I'll keep watching for your challenge entries!
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03/21/2007 06:42:11 AM
This just goes to prove how many people out there do not calibrate their monitors. If they had, you would have added at least a point to your score. I've learned the hard way too. That said, I like the image and gave it a 7. Didn't have time to come back and bump, which I may have. I looked past the title which, I agree with Ed, is a little pretentious. The composition bothers me in that the subject is centered but I don't think cropping on either side would work well. You need all those shadows here - they work amazingly well and in fact are a subject unto themselves. Maybe pulling back a little further, giving the subjects more room, would be the way to go. Then you can pull him off the right just a tad, to add a little more tension to an already tense scene. You did well here and this is under-rated. The diagonals emphasize his 'down-ness' very well as do the tones of the image. Not sure of the color or not - that one little spot in the shirt is a little distracting but the jeans aren't. Or its just me. Anyway, good work - look past the scores - you just never know with this crowd.
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03/21/2007 02:08:55 AM
I love the darkness. I think maybe non-calibrated moitors hurt you, as you did get comments saying that people could barely see things. It's always a risk entering something so dark. But the way that the light comes in.. the angle of it, and the spot where it appears.. it is all very lovely. I agree that maybe there is a tad too much negative space - perhaps a tighter crop on the bottom and right would be better. I love the blue tones as well - helps with the cold, moody feel.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/21/2007 01:46:59 AM
ok, for all of you who complained about the photo being too dark for you, well yeah, depression is pretty dark, and i intended for this image to be dark for that very reason. so even though i recognize your opinion on this matter, and therefore marked your comment as helpful, you should all keep in mind that the lighting did exactly what it was supposed to do. my pic did have other flaws that i could have worked out, but the darkness was not one of them. thanks for looking at my pic though :)
 Comments Made During the Challenge
03/20/2007 11:16:04 AM
I really like the low key feel to this image. It gets across the theme very well.
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03/20/2007 11:15:29 AM
the image is very dark I almost didnt realize there was anything there. it's not the best but it isn't bad. maybe brighten it up a little more and it could grab my attention a little better.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/18/2007 12:55:21 PM
it is abit dark for me
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03/17/2007 01:42:33 PM
Much too dark, i can't even recognize what that is except a hand
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/16/2007 11:22:44 AM
Too dark. If there's grain there, I can't see it.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/15/2007 10:17:04 AM
very dark ...
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/15/2007 05:58:42 AM
One always feels that dark images benefit better from the use of grain - simply because it was always high speed film where one saw that, I'm sure. The negative space seems a touch overwhelming here, and the title and suggestions of the pose ... well, a little pretentious I'm afraid. The light on the wall is effective though, suggestive of prison, of captivity.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/14/2007 06:22:49 PM
The lighting works very nicely. Great idea.
  Photographer found comment helpful.
03/14/2007 11:03:41 AM
reads a bit too dark but vey nice
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03/14/2007 10:57:45 AM
Dramatic lighting, very moody/emotional. I like it-9
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